There is not much on what the descoladors look like in CotM. Nor anything else about them ecept for speculations from the research group. Does anyone have any speculations of the're own to give about the descoladors?
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Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
They look like this:
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Then everyone is dooooooomed ! Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
The one with the balloon and the mohawk is their leader. If you take him out, the rest will sue for peace.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
I mades some predictions about them, however rather then refering you I will repeat them.
First they will have devistated their own biosphere and then had to cope with creating a new one to regulate their planet. They will be masters of husbandry as well as genetics. They communicate by chemical scents that carry complex messages.
In nature only men and certain insects keep herds and farms, and only insects create structured behavior by chemical traces. so I would venture to guess that the Descoladores are something like the leaf cutter ant in origin.
I expect them to have much in common with the hive queen, many of her strengths, along with the genetic and technical skill of men.
I also suspect that they have little population pressure to generate interest in colonizing other worlds, given the control they demonstrate and the ruthlessness I suspect that they do not overpopulate, therefore the motive for Descolaforming planets is to create new populations by at some point having the original or a secondary probe release Descoladores into the transformed environemnt.
This also means I think there is an active probe on Lusitainia.
BC
Posted by Auron of Zanarkand (Member # 6257) on :
Why do none of you understand anything? First, it's descoladores. Secondly, there is no way you can make any prediction, BC, did not make that prediction, it's in CotM, or at least that's where he got it from. There really isn't enough information you have to make any prediction but what OSC gives you, and it's not a lot. Damn right. It would have been very..tedious. It's not all that important, and as to husbandry, we'll say that's part of your imagination. o.o Bang.
[ March 01, 2004, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: Auron of Zanarkand ]
Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
Good plan Tom. It worked for these guys.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
quote: Secondly, there is no way you can make any prediction, BC, did not make that prediction, it's in CotM, or at least that's where he got it from.
Of course my information comes from CotM however I am more qualified to make predictions then OSC, he knows, one can only predict from a state of ignorance.
quote:There really isn't enough information you have to make any prediction but what OSC gives you, and it's not a lot. Damn right. It would have been very..tedious.
Obviously I have made predictions, therefore there is enough information. Let me list some of the information about the Descoladores.
They have mastered the blueprints of life to the point where they can create the Descolada. Not only understanding (current human state of the art) it but to the point of making it.
They can reconstruct not only physiology, but behavior from the blueprint of DNA
They like a biosphere that is as simple as possible to serve them.
They have space flight, electromagnetic, communication, and a means of rapidly integrating information carrying chemicals into their awareness.
Working from what we know of culture we can assume that they have created abilities that they "need". Therefore they have some need to be able to control DNA, they have some need for transmitiing information molecules globaly, they have some need to build simple but functioning eco systems. Finally they need space flight.
So Start with DNA, Human understanding of DNA started with the mathmatical treatment of plant and animal breeding, Husbandry and Farming, with statistics. Speculation : Descoladores had these arts as well to be a basis for their science.
Transmiting Information with a global messaging system that sends out organic molecules: Certain insect species such as ants use pheramone traces to indicate food, direction of travel, danger, fertility and more. They use these simple messages to organize complex group behavior. To do so globally would require information to be forwarded electronically over the gulf of large distances. Speculation: The Decoladores are a more evolved version of the same type of society that ants create. So they may be Ant like.
Build a simple Eco system. The only reasons for this would be deliberate or accidental collapse of a complex one, I imagine that they overshoot the carrying capacity of their own ecosystem to the point of needing to learn to rebuild one to save themselves. Otherwise they destroyed their own in favor of a better (for them) simpler one. That is what they needed to learn in order to learn to make the Descolada.
quote:It's not all that important, and as to husbandry, we'll say that's part of your imagination. o.o Bang.
I will decide what is important to me or not, if I ever need help I will work my way down the list of people who can help and let you know when I get to you.
Read carefully before you reply, I do not want to have point out what you overlooked in haste or ignorance.
BC
Posted by T.J. (Member # 6267) on :
Hey BC dont forget that they scanned the ship and figured out how to make humans be high like on heroin just from a scan i think if OSC decided to continue that particular stoyline (not nessesarily with all the characters) that they would be probably much like the hive queen in Ender's game and not the rest
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
I am not sure they scanned the ship, they built the Heroin after they had a version of the Descolada from the humans to look at. However I suspect that they might have had some time to work up that little drug, since I belive that an active probe on Lusitainia is implied. Therefore they just identified the Descolada as being from that world and used a prepared in advance drug. If not the turn around time seems a bit fast.
It would imply very high speed modeling of organisms, tremendous compression of information in the Descolada and even rapid behavior modeling. All too much if you ask me.
BC
Posted by Auron of Zanarkand (Member # 6257) on :
Hmm..You should never call someone ignorant. Especially if you do not know them. While all your points may seem valid, I think they are not. But I will spare the argument. I am too tired to banter..o.O
But:
Of course you can decide what's important to you, but I didn't say or imply otherwise. I simply meant, none of your predictions are important to the book itself, however -fascinating- they might be.
Lastly, I would hope you never tell me to read carefully again. I read every letter's last pixel. So kindly, do NOT make such false accusations, say what you must, and end it there.
Also: You can't compare anything from Earth to the descoladores in behavoir like subjects. Why? Because, they don't have the same biosphere, they don't have the same evolutionary cycle as anything that we know, fiction or true fact. And please, don't tell me I'm wrong unless you can PROVE me false. Though I haven't entirely proved you false, I don't think you have any real, good, factual evidence to back it up. Which there no doubt it. For instance, about their language, they send this information to each other and make the molecule. how do you know this? They possible incorperated that trait when they made the descolada, which does the same, as Quara proved. ta-ta, mate.
Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
I am not trying to prove that they are anything. Clearly they have a reason for modifying Earth type planets, so they must live in one rather then in some complex chemical vat like Jupiter or in a weird organic chemistry.
However I intended to demonstrate that I had information to speculate with. If my speculation is stated as fact that is mearly style since it is clearly a speculative topic.
One puzzling thing is that they (Quara and Co.)did not pack any simple telescopic device to look at the planet below, we can resolve individual humans from space today, by then they aught to be able to count hairs.
Such a look down would show the complexity or lack of in the biosphere and might show individual Descoladores.
One of the laws of biology is that structure determines function, an image of them would tell much.
Of course I never said anything about you being ignorant or sloppy, I just did not want you to fall into those pits, some people show that tendency.
BC
Posted by Auron of Zanarkand (Member # 6257) on :
quote:Read carefully before you reply, I do not want to have point out what you overlooked in haste or ignorance.
I think that counts as calling me ignorant. Whatever. The simple fact is:
Giving the Descoladores a physical form would be a big mistake I think. I mean, with the pequeninos and the formics they need a physical form, but the Descoladores don't. I just doesn't seem nessecary. But, it's still fun to ponder about it.
The Formics, obviously need a physical form because this isn't a mystery sci-fi novel where no one knows what the aliens look like.
The pequeninos, also obviously, for the same reason above, and also, the three "lifes" of the pequeninos are nessecary to the plot, so without the physical form, there would be no plot.
[ March 06, 2004, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Auron of Zanarkand ]
Posted by Lord Detheroc (Member # 6311) on :
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Posted by Bean Counter (Member # 6001) on :
Was that a reply without a form to show that the Descoladores need one or there is no point? Pithy if so. Kudos to you! BC
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