Somthing I noticed, whenever somone new post a 'Hi i'm new' topic, OSC seems to never replys a welcome.
I know its stupid for me, The Great Ginosion, notice somthing like this (let alone post a topic about it).
Maybe I just havn't seen the Welcomes, who knows. But I truely think OSC is against n00bs.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Neah, he's just against annoying noobs.
Seriously, he probably doesn't have the time to welcome everybody. It's we, the rest of the posters, who usually welcome the newbies.
And I'd rather he replied to our questions than take the time to greet each of us separately. But that's just me.
Oh, and welcome to Hatrack! Enjoy your stay here! Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I don't think that OSC is against the new people; it's simply that he probably pays more attention to the more serious threads regarding politics, religion et cetera. While posting there (on the "serious" threads), I doubt he treats people unequally based on their posts or their time registered.
That's my thought.
Posted by Ginosion (Member # 7066) on :
quote:Originally posted by Corwin: Oh, and welcome to Hatrack! Enjoy your stay here!
Actually i'm not new, i've been on the forums for a while now.
Well, I know he is a very busy(old) man. But he is on the forums now and then replying to threads. So there should be a point and time were he has a little free time to welcome one or two n00bs.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Okay, here's the deal: very few people welcome newbies, mainly because there's no actual need. It's just ego-stroking. That he's EVER posted in a "Hey, I'm new" thread -- and he has -- is astonishing.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
he IS against the newbies. He started and pays for this place so that Tom and a couple of other oldest members have a place to hang out.
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
Don't mind K.A.M.A. She's still just a beta release.
Oh, and I know you're not really new. It's just that this is the first time I talked to you. (and you *are* fairly new.)
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Duh. We're ALL against n00bs.
:devours Ginosion:
Mmm. . . not as good as fresh baby, but still. . . Delicious!
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
quote:Somthing I noticed, whenever somone new post a 'Hi i'm new' topic, OSC seems to never replys a welcome.
I'm sorry, I find this almost insulting. The man is an author, that's what pays his bills. Not posting on an internet forum. There's really nothing that implies Mr. Card will be reading and replying to every post. In fact, Mr. Card's recent posting is quite a change from the past. I can probably count on one hand the amount of posts of Mr. Card I read from when I joined to when he recently started contributing. And like Tom said, there really isn't a need for the owner of the site to welcome EVERY person to the board.
So, to almost demand Mr. Card welcome everybody is a very loony idea.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I want to know why Card didn't come over here last week and help me fix my swamp cooler or read to my kids. Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
He hates you.
Just like my cat Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I knew it. Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Right on, scottneb.
Honestly, I can not think of another author who is as generous to his readership as Mr. Card is. That this generousity has led to criticism from his fans alleging that he is not generous enough is ungrateful and rude. You are IN Mr. Card's HOUSE when you are on this website. He has graciously opened his doors to all who want to meet here. Why would you insult our host?
Get over yourself. You are entitled to nothing here. The opportunity to post is a privilege. Thank your host for granting it, and behave. Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Okay, here's the deal: very few people welcome newbies, mainly because there's no actual need. It's just ego-stroking. That he's EVER posted in a "Hey, I'm new" thread -- and he has -- is astonishing.
This is true.
Posted by Puppy (Member # 6721) on :
I hate "I'm new" threads, but not nearly so much as "I'm leaving" threads Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I'm standing behind Mier Tante's words. In a Jewish-Orthodox-Jerusalemite-Haredi way of standing behind the laws of Sabbath.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: I knew it.
Sheesh. Now who's the crybaby?
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
"Cry, baby cry... Make your mother sigh..."
Posted by Chungwa (Member # 6421) on :
Most messageboards I go to that are on an author's website rarely are actually visited by the author.
I think it's pretty amazing that OSC has replied to even one thing I've said. Sometimes it's hard to remember that he's a person, not just a great author.
I did originally post a "Hi, I'm new" thread. That was more because I was very aware of how 'intimate' this community seems and I was a little uncomfortable with just jumping into a debate or giving pretty empty sympathy to someone I don't know. It had nothing to do with my ego. It didn't, I say!
Well. Maybe just a little bit.
Posted by Roseauthor (Member # 148) on :
Orson Scott Cyborg.
It's a amazing that someone who gives so much of his time to others, lives his whole life to support his family, and still finds time to even answer questions and banters with his guest/members is accused of hating.
I think the accusation was to provoke OSC to talk to you in the attempt to feed your ego. *wink* Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
"Unlike Tom with his common belief that anything anyone else does has something to do with that person's selfish ego (damn, what a Freudian!) - I believe you."
I was about to post this, then I saw you wrote "Well. Maybe just a little bit".
Edited for punctuation corrections.
Posted by Chungwa (Member # 6421) on :
I am sorry. Posted by DavidGill (Member # 8166) on :
I'm sure it's because there's nothing interesting about someone who says, "Hi, I'm gnu."
Now, if you said, "Hi, I'm wildebeest" that would be much more interesting.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
quote: I am sorry.
What for?
Posted by Chungwa (Member # 6421) on :
Well, for proving TomDavidson atleast partially right.
I wasn't sorry, though. Not really anyway. Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Then you gave Tom more righteousness points.
Now, you apologised for your ego, right? Can't anyone be on my side facing Tom?
Posted by Chungwa (Member # 6421) on :
Maybe I can be on your side. Maybe I wasn't stroking my ego. TomDavidson's post just coerced me into thinking I was!
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
That evil Freudian...! Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
For what it's worth, Jon, I don't think everyone here is self-centered. I don't, for example, think Chungwa is. Posted by OSTY (Member # 1480) on :
I call tell you that OSC is not against Newbies because it seems that he is always telling people at book signings they need to come and be a part of this online community! But hi is just an ego stroke on a board like this. Its ok to say hey I am new but I do not expect an out pouring of welcomes....ever one was new at some point!
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Tom, you're so charmingly biased. Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
quote:Can't anyone be on my side facing Tom?
It's not in my contract. Tom owns my soul.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
if he hated newbs he'ld lock the forum to n00b protect it, and then put a password on it for idiot protection. And then 256 byte encryption to MAKE SURE that some luck newbie won't accidentally break in.
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Says the n00b
Posted by Roseauthor (Member # 148) on :
WAIT.. WAIT^!!!##@#%@%
Was my post supporting TOM???>. That can't be! Help.. !!!!
Tom is good, Tom is right, don't question Tom.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Tom Davidson = I am Dvonstod
So like "Tom Marvolo Riddle = I am Lord Voldemort", from now on Tom will be the one whom we call the Dark Fraud, and no-one should ever say the D Word.
[ July 19, 2005, 06:56 AM: Message edited by: Jonathan Howard ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Jon, your obsession with Tom is edging toward unhealthy . . .
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
I was never healthy. Uh, Rivka - have you ever heard of Rabbi Nathan Laufer? He seems to know all the Jews in the US...
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
lol thats funny.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
All *mumble* million of them? I think I may have read a book by him, but I don't believe I've ever met the gentleman.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
He wrote a book about Passover ("A/The Passover Journey"). I was going to recommend it to you. $25 apiece. Very nice family, good friends of mine.
Posted by SpEeDMaSTeR (Member # 7568) on :
Mr. Card evidently doesn't reply to "I'm a newb and I feel descriminated against welcome threads." =รพ
Posted by Steev (Member # 6805) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puppy: I hate "I'm new" threads, but not nearly so much as "I'm leaving" threads
Hi, I'm new and I'm leaving!
Posted by TMBG (Member # 8390) on :
Hi, I'm new. So is it over-eager of me to expect a dinner invitation to the Card's house while I'm visiting NC in October? Just wondering.
My soul is up for grabs. Any takers?
Posted by Ginosion (Member # 7066) on :
quote:Originally posted by TMBG: Hi, I'm new. So is it over-eager of me to expect a dinner invitation to the Card's house while I'm visiting NC in October? Just wondering.
My soul is up for grabs. Any takers?
Orem egh, I live in ogden myself. Orson lived in Orem I beleave. hmmm...
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
tisk tisk what exactly is the worth of a soul anyways?
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
quote:Originally posted by SpEeDMaSTeR:
Mr. Card evidently doesn't reply to "I'm a newb and I feel descriminated against welcome threads."
Or has he?
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
Welcome, new citizen of Hatrack. This is a personal message to you, individually. I am so glad you are posting messages now. I hope you will continue. And if you are starting an "I'm new here" thread, then feel free to paste this message into it, because I truly mean it for YOU, personally. Because I love you. I love the very idea of you. Bring your friends here and I will love them, too. But never as much as I love YOU.
Posted by Sid Meier (Member # 6965) on :
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well, I personally have seen OSC post more to NEW people (as he just did) than to a lot of other threads.
Just count yourself very lucky that he has time to post at all. When I first joined in 2003, it was kind of understood that He was on the forum very very infrequently -- and I don't think I saw him post for many months after I got here.
You're just lucky he has had time to browse the forums and post some this spring and summer. (getting feedback on his latest books, I'm sure! )
Farmgirl
Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :
If you want me to post to your thread, have a subject matter. (Preferably one that does not imply an attack on me or my religion.) If you aren't talking about anything, then I won't have anything to say.
Though, come to think of it, I DID post in this thread, which DID begin as an attack on me ...
Hmmm. Apparently I'm still ridiculously easy to manipulate ...
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
Man, you can be a hoot. Great responses...
Isn't it funny how fans seem to think their favorite author/actor/artist/musician is their own personal genie who will dance at their command? After all, they DO provide entertainment the instant we open a book. They start singing the moment we put a CD in the player. They act the moment we pay to see a movie. They do what we want, right? They pay attention to just us, right?
Dance, monkey, DANCE!
[ July 22, 2005, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: estavares ]
Posted by Corwin (Member # 5705) on :
:thinks of OSC dancing:
o_O
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
*would really rather not think about OSC dancing*
quote: Bring your friends here and I will love them
Posted by Ginosion (Member # 7066) on :
quote:Originally posted by Orson Scott Card: If you want me to post to your thread, have a subject matter. (Preferably one that does not imply an attack on me or my religion.) If you aren't talking about anything, then I won't have anything to say.
Though, come to think of it, I DID post in this thread, which DID begin as an attack on me ...
Hmmm. Apparently I'm still ridiculously easy to manipulate ...
Wow, I manipulated the masters of manipulation
It wasn't really an attack though. It was more of a squirrel-tap between two freinds (even though we have never met in real life or have carried a big disscustion and any point or time). If you want, you can squirrel-tap me back.
Posted by TMBG (Member # 8390) on :
I will accept the PERSONAL fawning from Mr. Card and return it ten--no, two-fold. And I accept the subliminal dinner invitation!
I think it's not wise to confuse interest and--dare I say, compassion?--with manipulation.
Also, Ginosion, if I were lucky enough to live in Ogden I would be preparing my stacks of books for the upcoming book signing. It's been 3 long years since my last encounter with the MAN, at Ender-Con in 2002. By the way, is there anything in the works that is similar? I was under the impression that it was to be a recurring event. Anyone?
Posted by scottneb (Member # 676) on :
Last thing I heard about EnderCon was Mr. Card saying that it was like asking a woman who just gave birth, when she would have another baby.
Posted by TMBG (Member # 8390) on :
See now, as a woman with a farely new baby, I would have to interject with my expertise and say: That totally depends on your experience.
With this last baby, I wanted another one right away. Of course, I outgrew those feelings in a hurry.
But I waited 5 years in between my two kids, and have never regretted it, nor second-guessed my reasonings.
So that leaves us at the point: It's been 3 whole years! When is he going to have another baby?!?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
>>But I waited 5 years in between my two kids, and have never regretted it, nor second-guessed my reasonings.
FIVE YEARS?
Didn't you get hungry?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
quote: It was more of a squirrel-tap between two freinds (even though we have never met in real life or have carried a big disscustion and any point or time).
So nothing like it, then?
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
Hee hee...
That was like my young son saying once this guy was like Boba Fett only he was short, didn't wear armor or use guns and he was girl. And I asked, "So....how WAS she like Boba Fett?" and my son replied, "Ummm, she was cool like him."
Can't beat THAT logic!
Posted by Eric Palmatier (Member # 8415) on :
Dang it all, I'm new again. I had an account about four years ago when my wife (TMBG) and I lived in NC. Couldn't find the old one, had to start a new one.
Posted by Lupus (Member # 6516) on :
quote:Originally posted by Puppy: I hate "I'm new" threads, but not nearly so much as "I'm leaving" threads
Generally, I hate the I'm leaving threads too...but I do find them amusing when someone posts one, and you don't even recognize their username anyway.
Posted by Starr R (Member # 8361) on :
quote:Welcome, new citizen of Hatrack. ... I am so glad you are posting messages now. I hope you will continue. And if you are starting an "I'm new here" thread, then feel free to paste this message into it...I love YOU.
Thanks, I needed that laugh. Now I feel SOOO special. Hugs for everyone!
Starr, not-quite-new(bie)
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
AHHH!
A gaggle of Wal-Mart Spokespeople embracing intimately!
Posted by Starr R (Member # 8361) on :
LOL Scary thought, that.
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
It's just so sick and wrong...
(But you can't beat their prices!)
Posted by vasco (Member # 8460) on :
hey you guys, OSC said he loves me! How special am I!
LOL
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
You're just as special as the thousands and thousands of other registered members.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
You know what I can't believe? I've been on this forum for two years now and Orson Scott Card has yet to come to my house and sign all of my books.
If you'd like to refute my complaint Mr. Card, I live in the big brown house on Main Street in NW Albuquerque, New Mexico. Next Monday around noon would be great.
Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :
Remember priorities, though; I live in *censored*.
Haha! Nobody here knows where I actually live. *Sticks tongue out.*
Posted by mimsies (Member # 7418) on :
While he's at it, he can come to Santa Fe and do mine
Posted by Celebrindal (Member # 8466) on :
Colorado Springs is just up the road from there maybe he can sign all my books too!!
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