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Posted by Von (Member # 1146) on :

Orson as Dr. Seuss: "Would you like an Ender Wiggen even if he blows a bugger? What if Wiggen was a third? What if Wiggen saved a herd?

Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :

Why not post that here?

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

So many delicious rhymes with "third."

Stilson mocked him as a third.
Wiggin squished him like a turd.
Bean by size was undeterred
And flew through battle like a bird.
Wiggin slew the bugger herd
But when he realized he had erred
Then by his conscience he was spurred
To give the last of them his word.
She by Wiggin was chauffered
As through the hundred worlds they whirred,
And when three thousand years had blurred
And Wiggin's honor had been slurred,
In Lusitania's soil she stirred.

Posted by Nell Gwyn (Member # 8291) on :

[ROFL]

Posted by hookedonpepsi22 (Member # 7346) on :

That was awesome. I dont see how someone can do that.

Posted by SpEeDMaSTeR (Member # 7568) on :

Wow that's pretty impressive... but I think erred has a different sound from the rest, at least the way that I've always heard it pronounced. [Taunt]

Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :

There are two pronunciations of "err": one, two. I believe OSC is using the second.

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

You've always heard it pronounced "wrong." Err rhymes with her and blur. BUT most people say it as if it rhymed with air. Therefore that is becoming the new standard pronunciation, and eventually the old correct one will become archaic and fade away. For now, though, it still rhymes with fur, at least when I say it, and I use it accordingly.

Remember, when Alexander Pope was alive, oil and toil still rhymed with isle and tile. These things change over time.

Posted by DavidGill (Member # 8166) on :

And why was Bean under turd? He was never that small.

Posted by CRash (Member # 7754) on :

Well, he did live in a toilet for a while...

Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :

Fun with a rhyming dictionary.

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

I tried to use a rhyming dictionary for this one, but it was useless; the online rhymer I've been using doesn't distinguish between stressed and unstressed syllables. In English prosody, "wintered" does not rhyme with "bird" because bird is stressed and the "tered" in "wintered" is unstressed. You can only properly rhyme stressed syllables.

Does anyone know of an online rhyming dictionary that handles this properly?

Posted by Starr R (Member # 8361) on :

No, but I wish I did, just so I could say, "I once answered a question for Mr. Card!"
(Helpfully, of course.) :-)

Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Orson Scott Card:
I tried to use a rhyming dictionary for this one, but it was useless; the online rhymer I've been using doesn't distinguish between stressed and unstressed syllables.

Well, then, I stand corrected. You are quite the wordsmith, sir! Hats off to you! [Hat]

You may just have what it takes to turn pro. If I were your high school guidance counselor, I might suggest a career in writing.

Fun playing with your vocabulary! [Big Grin]

Posted by SpEeDMaSTeR (Member # 7568) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Orson Scott Card:
I tried to use a rhyming dictionary for this one, but it was useless; the online rhymer I've been using doesn't distinguish between stressed and unstressed syllables. In English prosody, "wintered" does not rhyme with "bird" because bird is stressed and the "tered" in "wintered" is unstressed. You can only properly rhyme stressed syllables.

Does anyone know of an online rhyming dictionary that handles this properly?

Well, I just use www.rhymer.com for anything I need a rhyme for. Depending upon which "rhyme type" you select, you can make "bird" rhyme with "wintered" (by choosing 'end rhyme'). Other choices include making the last two syllables rhyme, IE: "Splintered" and "Wintered," or even making the starting sounds rhyme, like "Wintered" and "which." By using the "last syllable rhymes," you can exclude words like bird and leave a much shorter list. This may be the style that you are looking for. Hope I helped, if this isn't the rhyming dictionary that you aren't already using.

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

Rhymer was the one I was using. Can you combine controls somehow to keep word and deterred but eliminate wintered?

Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :

quote:
Does anyone know of an online rhyming dictionary that handles this properly?

http://www.rhymezone.com is the best I know of. If you know a better one - tell me. I sometimes have to scan them, though I feel it's unorthodox (poetically)...

Posted by Gryphonesse (Member # 6651) on :

oh come on - am I the only one who was puerile enough to giggle at "turd"??

I KNOW I'm not alone...

Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :

You are.

Posted by SpEeDMaSTeR (Member # 7568) on :

Puerile... haha hooray for my Latin class, I understand that word. =)

Posted by Jonathan Howard (Member # 6934) on :

Stulte! Quid est <the connection>?

Posted by sands (Member # 8344) on :

now that you mention it i figured out what puerile means too.

Posted by Gryphonesse (Member # 6651) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan Howard:
You are.

You're the youngling - you should have giggled long before I did!

[Wink]

Posted by Orson Scott Card (Member # 209) on :

When I first encountered puerile (in writing) I assumed it was pronounced "PWAIR-uhl," which is way closer to the original Latin than the "correct" pronunciation "PEW-ruhl."

Posted by therealdrag0 (Member # 9137) on :

Have you Tried http://rhyme.poetry.com/ ?

I prefer to pronounce it pyr-eye-l