Yep - that's right. My 80 year old grandmother, July 4 @ approximately 5 PM, backing out of her long driveway at somewhere between 12-15 mph, used ME as a speed bump.
If she hadn't of used me, my niece would have been permanently embedded in the barb wired fence. My nephew was on the other side of me and my son was directly in front of me. We were two feet off the driveway mooing at the cows.
I hold no grudges, mind - despite being unable to walk more than two blocks without wanting to die, but I REALLY resent the fact that my mother and uncle won't take away the keys!!!!!
On the lighter side of things, my co-workers have re-written the song "Grandma got run over by a reindeer" to now sing "Shannon got run over by her grandma" - ahhh - thank heavens for humor. It lightens the deepest despair.
[ April 23, 2004, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: Shan ]
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
Have your parents ride with Grandma sometime. That should change their tune. Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Stormy, they may be cowardly but stupid they ain't -
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
OH man, Shannon - how serious were your injuries? Are you okay?
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
Have you seen a doctor? At times like these I think they should have the elderly take driving tests past age 65. I always realize the hopelessness of the thought though.
I really do hope you're okay Shan, and go see a doctor if you haven't already ok?
[ July 10, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Nick ]
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Nothing broken, Belle - just a very wrenched, sore, sprained back from the tippy top of my head down my lower back. I was extremely lucky. Been doing the massage (not the fun, relaxing type but the deep tissue type) and chiropractic plus homeopathic remedies for the swelling and pain. Been able to work part days, but walking and driving hurt when it goes on for very long. Typing finally doesn't hurt so bad, therefore I thought I would visit with you all for a bit before I tuck myself into bed.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Hi Nick - I did the 3 hours on a backboard and neck brace, flashing light ride to the hospital, emergency room for 7 hours thing so the doctor could tell me nothing was broken or bleeding internally. I swear the backboard and neck brace do more damage than the actual injuries -
thanks for the concern - I really am starting to feel better - sore and all - but much more functionable -
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
quote: thanks for the concern - I really am starting to feel better - sore and all - but much more functionable -
Glad to hear it.
I hear you about the neckbraces and such. They seem to do more harm than good. But you know what they say, no pain, no game. Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Ahhhh - open speed bump games!
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
er. . . I mean, that's not funny. . . Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Well, you know, Nick - if I couldn't find some humor in it somewhere I'd be lost in a morass of fear over what could have happened to the children half my size standing next to me, extreme anger at my mother and uncle for refusing to handle the situation, and focused on the pain traveleing back and forth along my spine and head.
So, I am glad that we can both gasp and laugh at it - if that makes sense in a bizarre sort of way?
I know that I'll heal up - mostly I just shudder at the thought of what could have happened to all of my granma's great-grandchildren that were right there -
It's a safe bet Nathan and I won't be visiting anytime again soon!
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
Well, you could always sue her. That'd probably tap her bank account enough that she couldn't afford to drive. Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Believe me - the thought tantalizingly tickles my mind.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Was there not a police report? (How old are you? Just wondering before I make any suggestions. )
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Shan, you could always roll over on Grammy anonymouly to the state DMV. A just revenge , as she rolled over you... Morbo
[ July 11, 2003, 02:14 AM: Message edited by: Morbo ]
Posted by Richard Berg (Member # 133) on :
You've broken the cardinal rule of Medical Issues on Bulletin Boards!
The proper steps: 1) Type "help, I've just been run over by my grandma, what do I do?" 2) Wait for people to tell you to get to the hospital 3) Take pictures 4) Post pictures 5) Go to the hospital 6) Post pictures
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
What kind of car was it, and what parts of your body did it run over?
I'd say I'm sorry it happened, but if you're truly unharmed, this is a great story to tell at parties.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Also, you could tell her doctor(s). If her doctor talls to her, he may get her to give up driving. Or, if the doctor thinks he should, he could write to the state DMV about your Grammy.
Too bad about your injuries. I hope you get better quick. Morbo Posted by Ethics Gradient (Member # 878) on :
So true! You can drop it into any conversation: "That reminds me of the time my grandmother ran over me in her car..."
Guaranteed conversation stealer.
[ July 11, 2003, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: Ethics Gradient ]
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
My grandmother still thinks she can drive, despite being 89 and having broken her hip and a slew of other health problems that would make her a menace on the road. My mother and I would never, ever let her drive, but I can understand how hard that kind of situation is. Giving up driving means giving up a lot of independence and it's hard for people to force their elderly parents to surrender their independence, even if it is for the best.
On a lighter note, allow me to relate a conversation I had with my Aunt Jean last month:
Aunt Jean: Oh, guess what? Tom ran over Carla with his truck last week. Kira: Oh my gosh! Aunt Jean: Just her leg. Kira: Oh. That's good. [said without sarcasm]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
That's funny and sad at the very same time.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Shannon got run over by her grandma, going somewhere Independence Day; she was teasing cows for no good reason, and must have somehow got in grandma's way...
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Tom! Awesome! I KNEW someone would be able to finish up the verse -
Let's see - to the many comments/questions and gigglers . . . .
1) Age: mid-30's 2) Sneak report to DMV - ahhhhh, now there's a thought! 3) Small town politics = no police report, and no insurance info being taken - although there were (and I quote) six paramedics, two police and four fire fighters that showed up to the call, if that tells you ANYTHING about the lack of fun stuff to do where my grandmother lives . . . 4) G-ma wants to pay out of pocket and believe me - if you think small town politics can get complicated, my family's politics are worse *shudder* 5) Yes - this will be an absolutely awesome party story - in about another month when I stop aching. 6) She clipped my right side hard enough to send me twisting and turning through the air to land behind her - luckily enough on soft dirt and very uncomfortable poky bramble like plants - I guess we'll ust call me Brer Shan
I think I got all the questions - and now I will hobble off to work. Y'all have a good day, hear?
[Edited to add: I know, I know! No pictures really sucks - but just imagine wide open eyes and an approaching white van with glaring red tail lights AFTER being knoced askew and behind, and you'll get the idea!]
[ July 11, 2003, 09:37 AM: Message edited by: Shan ]
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Shannon stood in front of her niece, with two more kids over there, and now Grandma sits and ponders how exactly she's supposed to make that spare.
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
Shan! Oh my gosh! That's just horrible! I'm so glad nothing was broken. And I'm so glad none of the kids were hit!
*gently hugs Shan and the kids*
Wow. I hope that someone can somehow convince Grammy to stop driving soon. I know it's hard, but it's not the end of the world. Does she have any somewhat younger friends that can help out with driving her around? My great-grandma lived in an apartment building with a lot of other older folks, and the ones who could drive safely always helped out with those who shouldn't be driving. But, you said small town, so there might not be a place like that, or she might not have too many friends around who can drive safely - I don't know. But maybe your family (or her doctor - that's a good idea) can convice her that she's putting herself in danger as well as other people.
But I'm so glad that you're keeping a sense of humor about the whole thing. You're great! Posted by TheTick (Member # 2883) on :
quote:Wow. I hope that someone can somehow convince Grammy to stop driving soon.
True. One might think that nearly MOWING DOWN HER GRANDDAUGHTER might be enough to convince her.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
On the flip side, if you succeed in getting Grandma to give up her drivers license, somebody will need to driver her to all those places she needs to go to.
A granddaughter with nothing better to do than stand around in driveways mooing at cows is very likely to get elected to that job.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Mooo -
Thanks for the gentle hug, Vana - soft and gentle is the operative word - I forgot how sore muscles could be . . . Posted by filetted (Member # 5048) on :
*wince*
Ouch.
Where was grammy going in such a hurry?
Glad you are ok.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
No doubt she was trying to escape the hordes that thronged around her - let's see . . .
6 great-grandchildren, three grandkids and their assorted spouses, one daughter, said daughter's ex-husband and wife, and four dogs -
She was off to her son's home to help keep an eye on the stabled horses during the 4th of July festivities - actually, my mom and I were going to go over in a little bit and move irrigation lines and muck stables/feed equine - hmmm - got out of that chore -
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Hmmm. . .
quote: DEAR ABBY: Please tell "Wants What's Best" to do what she needs to do for her mother. Get the assistance she needs and ignore the "well-meaning people." But first of all, take her car keys away from her. If she gets lost and doesn't remember what she's doing in the car, she can no longer drive safely on the roads.
My 18-year-old daughter, Lynae, was killed by a woman with dementia almost five years ago, because no one wanted to interfere with her driving privileges. Lynae was two days away from starting college. She had her whole life ahead of her. But because no one had the guts to take a firm stand, my daughter never had a chance.
Abby, please urge family members to do the "right" thing when they realize that elderly members of their families need help. -- MOTHER OF AN ANGEL IN MINNESOTA
[edit: don't you hate it when you hit the wrong button!]
[ July 13, 2003, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Kayla ]
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Well, here's the good news. Grammy is going to report the accident to the insurance company. With any luck they'll yank her insurance and blackball her.
Here's the bad news - WHY is she reporting to the insurance company? I have now been back in ER and hospital twice for dizziness, nausea, and as I tense up trying to keep my balance, of course my bruised and sore neck and back muscles start searing me with excruciating pain. Grammy prefers not to pay out of pocket all of those bills - can you blame her?
I can , with great effort, walk a semi-straight line and typing is an experience, let me tell you. So now I am not working for at least the next week, taking a variety of meds and doing a variety of slow and careful exercises in the hopes of improving my balance again. Today is actually better. Saturday through Tuesday SUCKED.
I am attempting to convince myself that despite the discomfort, this is a lovely time of the year to be stuck at home. And I mean STUCK. I can't drive right now and the nearest busstop is too far in my present state.
*Would shake head in mock despair, but sadly that increases the dizziness*
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
I'm sorry that you're having problems with dizziness. That's no good.
So why is Granny smart enough to report it to the insurance (and get out of paying some bills) but not smart enough to give up driving? I really think that this should be enough to convince her (your mother and uncle and Granny's doctor) that it's not safe for her to drive. Have you been brazen enough to tell her that this is a sign that she needs to reliquish her driving privaleges?
Posted by saxon75 (Member # 4589) on :
Yikes! (((Shan)))
I hope you feel better soon.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
Oh, Shan I'm so sorry you're having a tough time.
Those are not symptoms to play around with. You definitely need to get some care, ASAP.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Well, Ludosti, according to my sister, there was a big screaming row after the ambulance hauled me away which resulted in grandmother locking herself in the bathroom, crying and vomiting, as my mother called her numerous bad names and said that she was no longer allowed to drive. This approach accomplished nothing, as Grammy is still driving to the best of my knowledge.
Thanks for the hugs, saxon75. I need them.
Belle, I don't know how much more anyone can actually do. I have had complete CTs and x-rays from top to bottom, twice now. No internal bleeding, nothing broken. Unless it is a tiny earbone floating around in the inner ear creating havoc, or possibly some nerve damage at the base of my skull, neither of which can be pinpointed according to the doctors. It sounds at this point, the best I can do is take it easy and work with my body on healing.
{Begin whine: What really sucks is that although I was the one that got hit, my family are treating me like I'm the bad guy here. I.e., I had to drive myself and my son home the day after this happened, no phone calls checking in, not even so much as a "I'm sorry this happened" card or what can we do to help out. Thank God for the folks at work and my ex-husband's family, and my friends nearby. And THANK YOU, jatraquero's for allowing me a place and space to process this. I suppose I should be used to this sort of treatment from the family I was graced with and just shrug it off, but every time something like this happens, it still hurts. End Whine}
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Glad to hear you are ok Shan! Wow, I hope you are able to talk your grandmother out of driving soon.
quote:SANTA MONICA, Calif. - A 7 1/2-month-old boy on Thursday became the 10th victim to die after an 86-year-old man smashed through a farmers market the previous afternoon, striking more than 50 people. >>>Full story here.
This happened in my hometown yesterday. Several of my friends were at this farmer's market, but thankfully avoided the disaster. pictures from a buddy who was there.
edit: add linkage.
[ July 18, 2003, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: NdRa ]
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oh no, Shan! I'm sorry you're feeling so much worse.
{{{{{very gentle}}}}}
And that your family is making it worse. Posted by Duragon C. Mikado (Member # 2815) on :
What ever happened w/ your grandma's license?
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
That really is awful that your family is not being more supportive of you. Shame on them. (((Shan)))
I'm sorry to hear that all the screaming and crying did not seem to have a lasting effect. I know when it was time for my grandpa to stop driving, it took him being told by his doctor. Is there any way you can contact her doctor and tell him/her about the situation so that they can recommend to her that she stop driving? Perhaps the insuranc company will do something, but if they don't maybe you could try going through her doctor...
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I love the way that Kayla expresses her care and concern.
(And no, I wasn't being sarcastic!)
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
mack, I find links are more. . . accepted than the curses I think in my head.
::grumbles about idiotic families::
Posted by filetted (Member # 5048) on :
Shan,
Your get-out-of-head-trauma free card has expired, given that it's been a week. I hope that dizziness has gone away.
sorry to hear about the family reactions (on the disappointing end). I wish that it were otherwise.
(((((((shan)))))))
flish
PS. (NdRa, howdy nieghbor)
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
*Basks in the love seepage*
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Thanks, Everyone. I sure do appreciate the love and concern. It helps.
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
*sings* Grandma ran me over with her Caddy...
All humor aside, that really, really stinks. She should be MADE to get off the road. Keys taken away, liscence, whatever it takes. She's a danger to everyone.
Oh, and....Hope you feel better soon!
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
More and more rehab programs offer driving assessments for the elderly or handicapped. Here is an example:
Not covered by medicare, unfortunately. I've referred two people for a similar program in Indiana and both times the family decided to let them continue driving rather than pay out of pocket even for just the assessment. I know several other families where the children simply took the car keys and refused to give them back, ever. I know that is often a very hard thing to do to a parent/grandparent without any medical backup in agreement with the decision.
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
Get better, Shan. Your family should be severely chastised for thinking it was your fault.
They really should tighten the restrictions on the licenses of the elderly, like they said in the Farmer's Market thread.
<--- Got hit by an 80-year-old man speeding on a 30 MPH street...
Posted by filetted (Member # 5048) on :
Shan (and commentators),
Family is "family". In the face of trauma, people often don't know how to react. It exceeds the boundaries of the emotional scripts they have. This is not a reason to blame, or sue, or chastise.
fast and lean. that's the shan machine.
flish
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
*double doulies sound off in the distance*
VROOM VROOOOOOM
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It's different when the trauma is caused by other family members and the rest of the family looks away, pretending to ignore it, or blames the victim for breaking up the family.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Condition Update:
Well, while the dizziness and nausea have passed to a great degree and I can move almost like normal, I am still grounded from driving myself since sudden movements still cause me to list alarmingly to the side before popping back upright.
This will mean another week not working. Sigh.
On the other hand, it means I can haunt Hatrack's pages still, which is cool.
Glad you all are here -
Posted by Ralphie (Member # 1565) on :
And you had to drive yourself HOME?
Yikes.
I'm glad you're improving, Shannon. Yay for haunting Hatrack again, neh?
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
My family ain't big on charity, Ralphie - or even kindness. I think I was the changeling on the hilltop - much to their chagrin, puzzlement and general disgust. I am "too sensitive", etc. Whatever -
Oh well - obviously, an angel was driving because Nathan and I made it. Blessings abound.
And yeah - yay for Hatrack!
Posted by KEGE (Member # 424) on :
Shan,
Did Grammy at least KNOW that she'd run you over?
My boyfriend and I were walking on the SIDEWALK on our college campus when an 85 year old woman hit me and then kept on going! Bill had seen her coming and pushed me enough in time so that she didn't actually run over me - but the bumper hit my legs and threw me to the side.
Bill chased her car and finally stopped her by jumping on the drivers side of the hood! Then she stopped and didn't even know she'd hit me.
Even with the insurance payout to me (my summer school in Paris money), she didn't lose her license. She was blind as a bat! She worked at the movie theater right off campus (where she was late and thus careening down the street) and she never knew if you'd give her a $1 or a $20!! I saw her often there but of course she didn't recognize me - and I'd keep my eye out for her car whenever I'd walk down that street.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
No, KEGE - she didn't know - she wouldn't have even stopped except that my brother-in-law and sister were screaming for her to stop -
Posted by eslaine (Member # 5433) on :
Someone please take my license if I ever get beyond driving!
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
My word! I haven't updated you all in months! Well, here it is, short and sweet.
The vertigo did not get better until the end of November after several sessions with a physical therapist.
Once the vertigo got better, I realized how much pain I was still in - due to the impact and the fact that a body dealing with vertigo apparently holds itself stiff and in in twisted ways trying to compensate for the lack of balance - i.e., to keep from falling over on my nose - which happened a lot.
I am continuing in PT to rebuild atrophied muscles and get bone structures back in place. This is an extremely painful process. I am consistently between a 4-6 on an average day (1-10 scale) and sometimes it's much worse. For example, yesterday - I spent in a staff meeting with icepacks breathing deeply waiting for the pain to subside.
Pemco was not being nice about paying bills in a timely fashion, so I did hire an attorney. The bills are now being payed.
On the positive side: I can now throw a ball to Nathan without having to cling to something to hold me upright. I can stand at my computer without just falling over. I can get up off the floor or out of a chair without falling back down. The world doesn't constantly spin.
I am reassured that the "rebuilding" process will feel like steps forward and steps back, but that I will get better (and I have been), but that I will also face a lifetime of needing to monitor certain issues. Hmmm.
So, that's the update!
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
(((Shan)))
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*very carefully* (((((Shan)))))
I'm glad you're improving and getting the necessary treatment.
May you have a rapid and complete recovery, and may this soon be only a memory!
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Shan, I'm so glad you're improving. I wish you were completely better right *now*, but I expect that you do too.
How are things going with your family? Are they still blaming you for being run over?
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
Oh, Shan! That news isn't quite as good as I'd hoped it would be. But, it is very good that your vertigo is better!
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
Sigh.
I suppose all progress is a roller coaster. Up and down. All around. One step forward, one step back . . . two steps forward, one step back.
Getting woozy more often, including the spinning vertigo, complete with nausea. Lots of pain in the neck and shoulders. Tingling/numbness in hands and legs/toes again. Headaches (monstrous). Sleeping very poorly. Anxious. Moody. Irritable. Cry easily. Interspersed with flashes of the old "must get these things done NOW and PERFECTLY to boot." Having to start asking for help (which is not easy for me.)
Nathan commented this morning: "You're not the strong mommy I used to have."
To which I replied, "No, I'm not. That's what happens when you get hit by a car."
And Nathan says: "Are you ever going to get better, mommy?"
And what the hell am I supposed to tell him. The doctors don't even have any sure answers.
Okay - so that's the update.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Oh, Shan! That's really tough. I guess you tell him you're doing your best, and so are the doctors, but sometimes there's no way to know.
(((((Shan))))) Prayers and vibes headed your way.
Posted by fallow (Member # 6268) on :
Shannon,
I really don't know how you'd respond to Nathan. You could have said "of course" you'll get better, but you might be different. Strength isn't sameness? Something along those lines? Sounds like an opportunity to talk about a lot of things regarding strength and answers.
I hope you sleep well and I hope the meds aren't necessary long-term.
mike (fallow)
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Shan, my mom had to have her own mothers licence in FL revoked, and I think you should do the same. My grandma was dirving around with one arm, and on a morphine drip.....and she did it for years!
Go to the DMV or the state police and have it pulled before she kills someone.
Family politics be dammed, they aren't worth you life or the life of anyone else in your family.
And don't take any crap from them about it, tell them you will get over it when it is done ruining your life. It isn't your fault that she insists on driving.
Although she won't want to give it up...it's probably the last bit autonomy she has left, living with such a large family.
Do what is best for all involved, even if it isn't the easy thing to do. You don't want anyone else going through these things like you have to....or going through even worse.
Kwea
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
This is the first I'm seeing this thread thanks to Kwea's bump, so hopefully things are greatly improved over your April status report. I never would have anticipated a year-long (or more) recovery time from that accident! I also hope that Nathan is handling things okay and not suffering from any lingering emotional distress over seeing Great-Gram run into his mom.
I agree with the other posters that you need to take steps to get Gramma's license revoked and teh car taken away. I'm surprised that having so many emergency vehicles on site didn't generate an automatic investigation (but I'm used to living in the Chicago 'burbs so maybe that's the difference). If it hasn't already been done, I'd call the DMV and your grandmother's doctor to get her deemed unfit to drive.
Finally, I'm stunned at the reaction from the rest of your family. Bad enough that they're condoning Gramma driving around when she's not safe - considering you commented early in the thread that your mother's not stupid enough to ride with your gramma and see just how unsafe she really is - but worse to make you drive yourself around with the vertigo and lack of coordination you've been experiencing - and ESPECIALLY with Nathan in the car with you!
I'm glad to see you have an attorney involved, although I know that's going to become expensive for you in the end. Have you had any kind of discussion with him about how to stop Gramma from hurting anyone else?
{{{{{{{{{{{{Shan}}}}}}}}}}}}
Goody (who's all for mandatory drivers' testing past age 65 and in anyone with an excessive history of accidents and violations)
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
reminds me of my great grandmother. The one occasion I drove with her years ago I remember this:
dad - "grandma you have to pick a lane, you can't drive down the middle of the yellow line"
Grandma - "they'll get out of the way, they always do"
Mom sat white knuckled with a look of horror on her face the enitre time. I was never allowed in that car again.
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
I'm sorry, beatnix - I have to say I howled.
Okay - back to my story . . . Began acupuncture in early May. Wow! What a difference. Felt good enough in May to resume a selection of ordinary activities (for me, pre-accident, these would ne ordinary) outside of work and mommydom:
Bicycling Hiking Painting rooms Yard work
I really did these activities slowly and carefully. The set back after the second room was finished was awful. Literally, flat on my back, horrible pain, very limited movement. So now it is August, and I have been going to PT (Again). I will not paint any more rooms this summer. Promise.
Headaches are dimishing again, some lighter episodes of wooziness, also diminishing. Shoulder, neck, hip pain fairly constant but starting to diminish. Better range of movement. Again. Staying stable with the positive outlook and attitude . . . continuing to get my daily walks and muscle strengthening exercises.
I'm such a good girl . . .
(sigh)
Posted by beatnix19 (Member # 5836) on :
shan - it's OK, I recall that as a very good memory and still smile every time I think about it.
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But you know what they say, no pain, no game. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)