A few days ago I was sitting, waiting for English to start (this has nothing to do with my English class, the teacher wasn’t even there yet) when I overhead some of my classmates discussing a magazine. We were asked to bring in “images” to analyze: preferably (or at least, it was easier to do it this way) magazine ads. One girl had brought in an edition of one of the “women’s self help” magazines; I don’t remember which one, Vogue, or something (I think it was Vogue but I wasn’t paying much attention). She’d found an article in it on “How to attract guy’s attention” and was going through the list. Since I wasn’t exactly dying to find out how to get that cute guy to finally notice me, my attention level dropped; but I did hear one of the “methods” of getting noticed. The magazine told the reader to wear a thin shirt with no bra underneath. At Purdue it seems a high percentage of the girls already go around with a basically see through shirt, but at least they wear bras; I couldn’t believe that’s what the magazine was espousing as a good idea. Maybe to get some girl to go out with me I should just strip naked and do a traditional Russian dance in the middle of campus.
Or am I off base here, is this just a stupid magazine that’s not really representative off what’s going on in the world? Or do some of you think it was perfectly good advice?
[EDIT: I accidently included the title as part of the post. ]
Hobbes
[ September 12, 2003, 09:42 PM: Message edited by: Willy Shmily Tiger ]
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Hobbes, its all in the look. With the right look, girls will tear your shirt off for you and save you the trouble of learning how to dance.
Though this doesn't happen in Utah too often, I hear from an excellent source it happens all the time at Purdue.
[ September 12, 2003, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: T_Smith ]
Posted by Bricks-N-Sandwiches (Member # 5603) on :
Only the fake people...but then thats most of em...Humanity blows Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
[EDIT: Aimed at T]
Hobbes
[ September 12, 2003, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Willy Shmily Tiger ]
Posted by Bricks-N-Sandwiches (Member # 5603) on :
new name for hobbes??? how confusing again
Posted by Jesdog (Member # 5652) on :
My wife told me that she read in "Cosmo" or something like that that the way to get a guy to notice you was to find a guy in a clothing store, ask for his opinion on what you're about to try on, lead him to the changing room and proceed to change clothes with the door only partly closed.
I've decided that men write these magazines. Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Sorry for the confusion, I'm about 7 posts away from 4000 with my normal login and I wanted to do something for it but I have no clue what... anyways, my signature at the bottom should help clear up my identity.
Yah, when I see girls walking around with basically nothing on I always feel giulty (kind of guilt by association) and just look at the ground and pretend I didn't even notice them.
Hobbes Posted by Jexxster (Member # 5293) on :
Articles like that scare the crap out of me (has 2 little adorable, innocent, beautiful, amazing girls ).
Truth be told though, I don't think that sort of stuff is really representative of what is normal. Rather I think it is representative of what the media wants folks (especially the target audience) to think is normal. That belief (however misguided) gives me some measure of hope for the future.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Sweetie, you need to pay attention to your surroundings. Vogue isn't a "self-help" magazine. It's a fashion magazine. How are you ever going to land a chick if you don't even speak their language?
Though, they don't seem to support the bra industry either. http://www.style.com/vogue/ Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
But if we keep getting told it's normal, will people eventually accept it as normal? Or at least the target audience?
Hobbes Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
Next months article:
"Why your newly acquired boyfriend is such a womanizer."
Sure, girls do things like that to attract the attention of guys. The question is, are they looking for a husband or a fun time?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Are you looking for a husband or for a fun time? Take this quiz and find out now!!!
<insert silly meaningless quiz with stupid stat result here>
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Kayla: I count any magazine that my sister reads as a "women's self help" magazine.
Amka: I think we all know the asnwer to that one. Any relationship I involve myself in (girlfriend boyfriend relationship obviously ), I want to end up in marriage, asumming, of course, that we would make a good couple. Yet I can still see the appeal of dating "just to have fun" but it seems like this type of thing has to be degrating to someone's self respect.
Hobbes Posted by Jesdog (Member # 5652) on :
Actually, I believe the technical term is "Advertisement magazine". The amount of pages in them that are purely ads on both sides total more than fifty percent of the magazine.
Posted by Jexxster (Member # 5293) on :
Brettly10-Thanks for the link. Looks great!
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
Hobbes, Bogue has been publishing stuff like this for atleast 25 years. It doesn't seem to have caused a collapse of the bra industry yet.
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Really? I obviously wouldn't know, but it surprises me that the fashion undustry (or whatever this magazine represents) has been saying stuff like... whatever this is like, for 25 years.
Hobbes
[ September 12, 2003, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: Willy Shmily Tiger ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Good lord, they have been burning their bras since the 60's.
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
And encouraging wearing thin shirts? I assume your referring to the feminist movement here Kayla? It strike me that the point of those demonstrations was to show the inequality of gender roles, not to turn one’s self into a sexual object. Or were you thinking of something else?
[Edit: to anyone who saw it, you didn't actually see that 'h' ]
Hobbes
[ September 12, 2003, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Willy Shmily Tiger ]
Posted by Jesdog (Member # 5652) on :
Ummm, can I guess where it was?
I don't know Kayla, but I'm not sure she'd like that.
[ September 12, 2003, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: Jesdog ]
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
It was in "where" instead of "were", I don't know where you thought it was but wherever that is I sincerly hope it wasn't!
Hobbes Posted by Jesdog (Member # 5652) on :
oop... Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Hobbes, in one form or another, "they" have been telling women what to wear since the dawn of time. Either we've always been breaking down as a society, or it isn't any worse now than it was then.
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Yah, but suggesting clothing for females is not the same as suggesting women wear clothes (or lack there of) to make them look more like a slut.
Hobbes Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
For chicks to get noticed by guy between 18 and 25 they have to be between 18 and 28 and wear less clothes. for guys in the same age bracket to get noticed they have to wear nice khakis and nice button up shirt, shave and comb their hair.
Women want confidence and a trophy they can show off. Men want sex.
Simple.
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
That's it. Come jatraqueros. We're going nudist!
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Not all men just want sex. And it's so hard to believe that these girls want the men who just want sex.
[EDIT: Girls in general actually, not these specific girls]
Hobbes
[ September 12, 2003, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Willy Shmily Tiger ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Right, and they didn't say that about the mini skirt or bikini, either Hobbes. Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Yah, but just because it happened the doesn't mean it's good that it happened. Not to say the women should be restricted in what they wear. I just don't think that freedom to wear skimpy clothes = it's a good idea to wear skimpy clothes.
Hobbes Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Heh. It's amazing where I can disagree with both Kayla and Hobbes at the same time on the same issue.
Kayla, I think many of these magazines do objectify women and break you down to your essential compenents -- tits, thighs, and ass. I don't think they're promoting the feminist movement or female sexual liberation; instead, they seem pretty damn useful for titillating males and setting insane standards for women.
Hobbes, you seem more concerned with yourself being offended by bra-less women than by the global female predicament of objectification and degradation.
I have no problem with fewer clothing for women, provided it's meant to fight against the sexually repressive stigmas women have faced since we first evolved into talking monkeys. Then again, in modern culture, female sexuality seems more a tool for advertising and cheap thrills, and seems to serve more to decrease female liberation than to strengthen them. Hobbes' example of a magazine urging women to not wear bras so they can excite men is offensive to me -- a woman not wearing a bra is not.
Hope I don't sound too stiff there.
Wow. That's probably a real good pun...
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
I did over focus on that Lalo, your right. *hits self on head* Sorry, I completely agree with you, the problem is the objectification of women.
Hobbes Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Actually that is a bad pun. Get it?
Eddie, you think I don't know that? I'm just giving Hobbes a hard time. The only thing that makes me sicker than men who objectify women is women who objectify themselves!
Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
HEY there on nothing wrong with a guy being concerned that he can't even look up without seeing something he might not want to see ie "butt-crack pants"!
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
*Doesn't get it*
Hobbes Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Good girl. Bad girl.
Good pun. Bad pun.
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
All I have to say in response to that Kayla is:
quote:Oh-oh-oh-oh... Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those jerks were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they fought with expert timing
There was funky China men from funky Chinatown They were trapping when up, they were trapping when down It's an ancient Chinese art, and everybody knew their part For my friend, ain't you a stiff, then I'm kickin' from the hip
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they fought with expert timing
There was funky Billie Jim and little Sammy John He said, here comes the big boss, let's get it on We took the bow and made a stand, started swaying with the hand A sudden motion made me stiff, now we're into a brandnew trip
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, but they did it with expert timing
Oh-oh-oh-oh...
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting, those kids were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit fright'ning, make sure you have expert timing
Kung Fu fighting, had to be fast as lightning...
Hobbes Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
Heh. Kayla, if there's anyone on this board smarter and sexier than me, it's you.
And possibly Jose.
I have no illusions about your stupidity, Kayla. Now, enough filling your pretty little head with all these arguments. You'll just get upset, being frail and all, and then the sex will be terrible.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Posted by Willy Shmily Tiger (Member # 5647) on :
Can Papa Moose still be relieved about this thread?
Hobbes Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Never, ever read the text in Vogue or any of those fashion magazines. They are guaranteed to make you ralph. And Hobbes of course no real people are like that. Absolutely not.
Posted by odouls268 (Member # 2145) on :
Dave chappelle said it best "I always see those magazines: 101 ways to please your man written by...some lady."
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At Purdue it seems a high percentage of the girls already go around with a basically see through shirt, but at least they wear bras; I couldn’t believe that’s what the magazine was espousing as a good idea. Maybe to get some girl to go out with me I should just strip naked and do a traditional Russian dance in the middle of campus. ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
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