Just bump this thread instead. We're all bright people; we'll get the picture.
[ March 16, 2004, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
I'm afraid I'm not bright enough to get your point, CT
[ January 13, 2004, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: Anna ]
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
seconded.
There's only one thread currently on the front page that may be considered trolling, and I read that one more like a lame attempt to be funny than genuinely trollish. Is there something specific that prompted this, or is it just a general reminder?
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
That must be because we're European, Tristan (It's ironic of course)
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Hi, guys.
As I put it in Frisco's thread, I don't take well to mockery of other persons for sport and pleasure. It's not only unfunny, it's boorish and inacceptable behavior in our hosts' virtual living room.
You know, the smarmy uncle-in-law who says inappropriate things at the family reunion, the one who thinks he's a real riot, mainly because he cannot distinguish between wit and shock value.
[ January 13, 2004, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by Tristan (Member # 1670) on :
Ah, well I agree with you that the thread definitely is in bad taste. However, I had a look on what else the person in question has posted on this board, and it does not appear as if he or she fits the classic definition of a troll, that is posting outrageous things just to elicit a response to feed his or her ego. I am open to the possibility that he or she is genuinely trying to be funny and that a scathing response might better correct his (or her) misguided attempt than ignoring it.
[ January 13, 2004, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: Tristan ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
It's my own form of shocked yet egotistical protest.
a. I consider my direct attention to be too valuable and exciting to waste on it, and
b. I hope the post just drops off the face of the earth, and
c. I'm just waaaay too tired of seeing people confuse wit with shock value. It's depressing.
Posted by TroII (Member # 6099) on :
AAAAARGH! FEED ME!
Preferably biscuits.
Maybe some country gravy.
Or I'll eat your soul. I'm totally not kidding.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
*lets slip a tantalizing whisp of her soul-nightie
Oooops ... my goodness ...
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Oh. Think I got it. I hadn't read this thread.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
**still trying to figure out who is the troll, and in which thread** back to reading...
FG
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
CT, is it OK if I give the troll a little cookie ? I mean, he may be less stupid if he eats. Sugar is good for the brain Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
*figured it out*
FG
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Yes, I had hopes for a while that the troll's thread would fall straight off the first page with zero replies. One day that will happen, and I will cheer. One day that is what will happen to all trolls. We will just watch their drivel go whizzing down the board and jump off the diving board into oblivion. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So create a bunch of new threads to push it down!
FG
Posted by Javert Hugo (Member # 3980) on :
quote:the smarmy uncle-in-law who says inappropriate things at the family reunion, the one who thinks he's a real riot, mainly because he cannot distinguish between wit and shock value.
Hey! You were at Christmas Eve! Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
For the last time people (well, probably not the last time), just because you disagree with someone, or think they are unfunny, or think they are dumb, or think their style is dumb, or are just annoyed by someone does NOT give you the right to declare them a troll and mock them. A troll is someone who intentionally attacks a forum, not someone who unintentionally does something to offend you. Too often "don't feed the troll" really just means "This guy annoys me for some reason so let's ostracize him until he goes away."
And if you have a problem with someone's behavior, plese take it up politely with them rather than start threads like this.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
But you haven't gone away yet, Tres.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
"So create a bunch of new threads to push it down"
I think it's better to bring up threads you like. I tried this once, CT, and it actually drew more attention to the thread I was protesting.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
But I have been thinking lately if there shouldn't be some standard of thread rating. I guess when my kids get in high school and I'm worried about them reading Hatrack at the library or away from home, I can just tell them to avoid certain people. I was recalling my comments on "The One Ring" thread and wishing the subject line had indicated it was about contraception. I don't mind kids having facts, but I don't want them exposed to folks bandying around about that sort of thing. I'm going to start thinking a little harder about what I'm posting here, keeping in mind that other people's 15 year olds are about.
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
:bump: because I put a content advisory request ont he other thread
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I do think some things should be self-censored on hatrack. I also think, however, that suppressing knowledge and discussion of something like abortion due to age is silly. It is important that someone be able to make an informed decision on such a subject, and the only way to make an informed decision is through information, opinion, and discussion. If a person is interested enough to read the page at age fifteen, I think, then they are going to be able to be mature about it. More likely, they'll look at the thread, roll their eyes at yaat (yet another abortion thread), and move on.
People are free to censor their own children as they see fit, but I do not think that forthright discussion which is careful to avoid inappropriate references should be required to label itself, whether its about abortion or the latest Pixar flick. Informed decisions are important, and restricting information flow so children only make the "right" decision is harmful and often counterproductive.
IMO, of course.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
And one more thing:
Everyone (male and female alike) do your kegels.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
pooka IMO if a 15 year old isn't aware of abortion issues by that time (whether pro life or pro choice) they should be. In fact they should be educated by their parents at or before puberty. Once they have reached a biologically reproductive age (whether or not society feels it is appropriate) they should be aware of the issues involved. Yes I know some girls now begin menses as early as eight or nine, and we'd like to keep our children in childhood forever. But not making them aware of consequences is the greater disservice. None of the serious discussions that I have seen have been raunchy or sexually explicit. That I could see objections too. But discussing serious issues? Heck this is a place where some 15 year olds come because it is the only place they can discuss them since their peers are unwilling to.
AJ
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Tresopax and pooka, I very firmly and energetically support such thoughtful critiques as yours. I'm also very glad you were comfortable with posting them in this thread.
Thanks! Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
I guess I'll quote myself for those of you who think I'm priggish:
quote: I don't mind kids having facts, but I don't want them exposed to folks bandying around about that sort of thing
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
But we aren't just bandying about. We're discussing serious issues and facts. Yet you object to kids those ages reading what we're saying.
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
Is the "troll" thread already gone? I don't see anything objectionable on the first or second pages. And it doesn't seem very nice to declare someone a troll and then make people guess as to who you're talking about. At least state what thread you're referring to.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
RRR, I am so not nice.
My husband calls me Spike.
But thanks for the feedback! Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
She didn't delete the reference to which thread it was.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
::chuckles::
Posted by lcarus (Member # 4395) on :
This thread still seems appropriate . . .
[ January 23, 2004, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: lcarus ]
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
I'm so out of it. Which thread is it/was it?
It wasn't something I said, was it?
<I'm so slow...>
Posted by Shan (Member # 4550) on :
I'm confused too, Bob - oh well . . . maybe some day it will all come clear . . .
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
When we're old enough.
Posted by Anna (Member # 2582) on :
Probably.
Posted by Liquor and Fireworks (Member # 5785) on :
If this is about my thread I didn't mean to be a troll, although I kinda sorta saw it coming. It started as just a fun litlle joke...and then it exploded as it was obviously destined to do.
[ January 24, 2004, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: Liquor and Fireworks ]
Posted by Tresopax (Member # 1063) on :
This thread hasn't been appropriate yet...
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
I tend to agree with Tresopax. While it is probably a testament to the high quality of this forum, it has really not experienced much trolling at all, which seems to lead to people accusing others (especially new posters) of trolling far more often than really warranted. Besides, in some cases two posters can profess exactly the same opinions, while one is completely sincere and one is trolling.
Was A Modest Proposal a troll?
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Ah, those who draw no lines draw a line around me again. While I didn't start this thread, I am always amazed at my ability to be intolerable to the tolerant.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
quote:Was A Modest Proposal a troll?
No, I believe it was a giant. Oh, wait ...
pooka: I draw no lines around you. Promise.
Well, you know, I'm not saying, I was just saying. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Oh, I mean Tres. But it's really about the guy I dated when I was 16 whose dad hated LDS folks. It gets tricky since the dad apparently dated an LDS girl in his youth. I have no idea what happened with that.
P.S. I dunno, what was "A Modest Proposal" supposed to accomplish? If it makes us feel superior to those bigotted English, then those who circulate it in America are Trolls.
[ January 24, 2004, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
pooka, people can be so very very strange, can't they? I am currently dealing with the fallout of my mother's death and claims on her estate, and I can't believe how some of my relatives are behaving. Even the most sensible of people have their quirks, I guess.
(Like I'm one to talk. My husband still grins when I involuntarily squawk like a bird. It's kind of a hiccupy thing, and I've tried to explain to him that pointing it out just makes me more nervous, and thus more likely to emit uncontrolled squawks, but you know how it goes. Anyway, I'm clearly in no position to rant about the oddities of others.)
(Hey, looks like I missed my 4000 mark by a long shot. Daggum, now I'll never get a chance to explain myself. )
No, really, I appreciated your initial point in the thread. I was just grumpy for other reasons, highly ticked at some deliberate mean-ness, and oh-so-very-irritated at dealing with yet another guy who confused shock-value with high wit. Oh, wait, that's original, we've never read that sort of lame humor before. Whoopee! Now that I've been shown the light, maybe I can make a tape of myself dropping my pants for America's Funniest Home Videos.
It was one of my snarky moments, and I mostly regret it. Not the least because of bugging people I care about.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Bob, no, it was just some yahoo getting his kicks by making fun of others. Not worth the time of day, trust me.
Edit: Found the thread in question, and yes, it had been Janitorized, to the apparent chagrin of the author. All hail Kathryn.
I am now content.
[ January 24, 2004, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Hey! I've been invoked!
Wow, what a heady feeling.
(And yeah, don't feed the trolls.)
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
New exciting colors? Where?
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
CT, what the heck?
BTW, CALL ME. Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Hey, I just posted in the Slashie rant thread!
Is it 10:30pm where you are now? Wanna make it 11am tomorrow?
(or should I call you now?)
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Re: Jon Boy and Olivet's befuddlement:
This thread was ghost-bumped. I got a nice tingle at being remembered. And there's another anonymous trollish ripple in the stream, so that's probably the reason for the bump.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Invoker here!
Seemed like a good idea at the time...
[ March 16, 2004, 10:34 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Am I the only person that has no idea what this thread is about?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
sndrake, so you were responsible.
You have been exposed, sir!
Er, that is, by yourself. Does this mean you are wearing a raincoat? *suspicious look
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Mr Potiero- no, you aren't.
Posted by sndrake (Member # 4941) on :
Sadly, the only raincoats I have ever owned have been the bright yellow rubbery kind.
I have been told they do not meet muster with current standards of "flasher chic."
[ March 16, 2004, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
Just do what the title says, mans.
(I was going to say aka pooka, but I guess that would lead to some confusion. Oh well. I'm pooka on landmark exile)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I have a theory, but this seems too hush-hush for my guesses to be appreciated. I will keep my thoughts to myself.
Posted by knightswhosayni! (Member # 4096) on :
::hugs CT::
I'm glad this thread is here, cause I've been tempted to troll lately. Promise I won't.
Ni!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Just do what the title says, mans.
So I'm not supposed to post on some other unnamed thread because somebody else may or may not be a troll?
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
There was a long (and well-written stylewise) post about weight concerns some time ago. Although the style was of quality, the content sucked, and there were several cheap and cruel shots just made for effect. I hated to think of some of my friends here reading about being compared to (what was it -- an outhouse? a toilet?), so I made a side thread to try to ward off bumpage while I waited for Kathryn to clean it up.
I wanted it to disappear off the first page.
Looks like there is something inflammatory up now, and so somebody (sndrake! sndrake! ) ghostbumped this thread.
I have no vested interest in this particular fight, but I do admit to a pleasant buzz at being remembered. Ahhh ...
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Porter, heck, do what you want. Nobody can smack your fingers here (except for Kathryn and Kristine), but they can ask nicely.
Like with "please," as in the start of the thread.
But jimminy cricket, if you really wanted to snort jujubees on the Ides of March, would we stop you? Nope. We'd think it was a waste of some good jujubees, but that still is your choice.
Please, though -- don't waste your jujubees.
[ March 16, 2004, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
(((Becky)))
(I'd still be on your side, you know. I'm just pro-kwsni that way. )
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
I don't understand what thread or person this is referring to.
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
Actually, wouldn't jujubees be rather difficult to extricate? (I'm not the troll, am I?) It doesn't have to be specific. Not feeding the trolls is always a good idea.
[ March 16, 2004, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: skrika03 ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
CT -- I'm just slightly annoyed at being asked to do something, but not being told what I exactly I have been asked to do.
I'll survive.
[ March 16, 2004, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
Porter, I am delighted to be resisted by such a gentleman.
pooka, no, I think sndrake may have meant the "We" thread.
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
I think I know who wrote the "We." thread and I think they (androgynous use of they) have a point. Though obviously I wouldn't put it quite like that. So I deleted my Lamest Dobie Ever.
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
This thread seems appropriate right now.
Posted by ak (Member # 90) on :
Must be for something I skipped.
Posted by AvidReader (Member # 6007) on :
So a troll is someone who crosses the line from snarky to downright rude? Heck, there's a couple people here I just skip over so I can avoid that exact problem. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
:ba da bump:
Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
I _think_ this has to do with Stargate's latest reincarnation, but don't quote me.
-Trevor
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Why do you all keep replying?
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Cuz as Pratchett proved, with a little effort even trolls can be civilized into becoming productive citizens.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Well, there have been a feew people who started rough here, but came around...
For a while I thought it might happen again, but one thing I learned from this...
I will never again defend someone because they have been less rude of late.
It's just asking to be stabbed in the back.
Kwea
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Not that it's warranted. It's just another part of the code of the brotherhood of the little black book.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
LOL
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Actually, I doubt I was influential enough to rate a mention in the little black book Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
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I'm afraid I'm not bright enough to get your point, CT ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
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(It's ironic of course)
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I draw no lines around you. Promise.![[Hail]](graemlins/hail.gif)
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