In a press conference at a DNC meeting this week, ex President Bill "Slick Willy" Clinton, was asked about the absecence of WMDs in Iraq, he repsonded with something very similar to this, I do not have the exact quote.
"Well when we bombed Baghdad, we weren't sure how many we got, 90%, 60%, well it looks like we got more than we thought"
Can you belive this scumbag? Is he a egotistical media hound or what? He bombed for a total of Four hours, he bombed empty wearhouses, which he nnounced, so as to avoid human casualties, can you belive that he is actually trying to take credit for destopying all of Iraq's WMD???????
*Is outraged, flabbergasted, and rolling on the floor laughing at the sheer stupidity of this notion*
Rhaegar
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
*mumbles something about how Iraq hasn't had any WMD's for years.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
*can think of other stupid notions to be flabbergasted about*
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Ben, If Iraq didnt have WMDs for years, then why have three presidents in a row say that he did, and lauch air, sea, and land strikes against Iraqs WMD programs?
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
i think you and i have different definitions of the word year. year to me is 365 days. years would be anything exceeding 730 days. unless im mistaken our current president (well, YOUR current president, i dont claim him) has been in office well past the 730 day mark.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Perhaps Rhaeagar has access to evidence that Bush's hand picked WMD program evaluator didn't? If so, I wonder if he would like to share that evidence with us.
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
I suppose Clinton is being a little silly, but in fairness, at this point it seems like a much more reasonable claim than saying Bush's efforts eliminated the WMDs. After all, the reports are now that the programs were terminated in the mid 90s (see thread on Kay's report or last week's newspaper for details.)
Where did you get this Clinton statement from by the way?
[ January 30, 2004, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: Xaposert ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
We like to use our shiny toys. Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
Are you sure he wasn't joking? Because it sounds like a joke at the beginning of a speech, probably to smooth over the fact that President Clinton also said that Iraq had WMD past 1995, and until he left the WH.
Also, we didn't just bomb places that were probable WMD sites. We bombed terrorist camps, we bombed people who shot at US planes patrolling the no fly zone, and we bombed sites where Iraq was building up their conventional weapons arsenal.
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
in short, Bill Clinton rocked my face off!
Posted by Lalo (Member # 3772) on :
God, I miss Clinton. In a conversation I was having with at least five friends today, the presidential election came up and we all unanimously agreed we (and most of the country) would all vote for Clinton in a second if he ran.
I'm not the biggest fan of the man, but I'm so tired of the corruption and hatred that comes from the Republican party...
Posted by Valkyrie (Member # 5980) on :
Amen
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
i was a fan of the man. I think he friggin' ruled. i was still whispering "4 more years" as i watched the gore vs bush tally on election day last time...
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
Well, I don't think I can agree with Clinton-lovin....
Posted by Ben (Member # 6117) on :
i'm quite ok with that.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Better Clinton than that sock puppet Bush...
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
If you want to get technical....
It was Bill Clinton's military that Bush was able to "conquer" both Afganistan and Iraq---since the previous president is usually the one most responsible for the state of the military within the first couple of years of the next president's term.
And Rhaegar? Where did you get that quote? And the only scumbag is the one that's in office. And that goes for his little toadies as well.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
\rant
Clinton is the worst most incompetent idiot we have ever had in the oval office ( yes ever more indecisive and attackable than Carter), and if you think he is so great consider this, he lost the house, senate, white house, and the control of the governerships,does that tell you something? Yes, he actually had one use, besides SNL jokes, toput us back in power. And you say we generate hate? Ni! iF you look at the candidates, their only reason for running and their only argument is "We hate Bush". Sheesh
/rant
For ny rant on Carters handleing of the Iranian embassy situation, just ask.
Rhaegar
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Starla I got that Quote from CNN. And by the way, you are completely wrong.
Rhaegar
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Your eloquence and logic are astounding, Rhaegar.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
No, thiey really aren't but if you want to think that way.........
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
By the way, I believe this is the complete quote:
quote:Let me tell you what I know. When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions.
I found it here.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
:trying to wrap his mind around the idea that the Clintons were corruption-free:
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Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Yes Scott, I was thinking the same thing, hmph, how does that work again????
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
*waves hand slowly*
The Republicans are responsible. Nothing matters more than saving the planet from Republicans.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
*Snort*
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Who said the Clintons were corruption free?
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
<kicks a puppy>
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
Clinton was pretty bad.
Bush is pretty bad.
Whoever wins the upcoming election will be pretty bad for four years.
Likely, the person who wins the 2008 election will be pretty bad, too.
It's not like either party's putting out anybody really worth voting for.
Posted by Slash the Berzerker (Member # 556) on :
It's not like the people that get into office through elections actually matter all that much. I think it's fairly well understood that people with real power never need to get elected to anything.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Quote implying that the Clinton years were less riddled with corruption than the Bush II years:
quote:I'm not the biggest fan of the man, but I'm so tired of the corruption and hatred that comes from the Republican party...
As for hatred-- it's hard to get more dismissive than SOME democrats enthusiastic dismissals of conservative values and voters.
At least on Hatrack. . .
EDIT: Actually, looking at that quote, I may have been wrong about what Lalo was implying. I also may have given the impression that I think the Clinton years were WORSE (corruption-wise) than Bush II.
I am quite sure there has not been as much media scandal about Haliburton than about the Clinton's real-estate dealings. But media coverage is a rather poor way to estimate the amount of corruption in a presidency. . .
[ February 04, 2004, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: Scott R ]
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
quote: Clinton is the worst most incompetent idiot we have ever had in the oval office ( yes ever more indecisive and attackable than Carter), and if you think he is so great consider this, he lost the house, senate, white house, and the control of the governerships,does that tell you something? Yes, he actually had one use, besides SNL jokes, toput us back in power. And you say we generate hate? Ni! iF you look at the candidates, their only reason for running and their only argument is "We hate Bush". Sheesh
HEAR, HEAR!
*slinks off to avoid getting beaten up by democrats*
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Yes, particularly as the Republican party is much better at doing talking points than the Democrats. Plus, the Democrats don't have control of Congress so they can't run nearly as effective fishing expeditions (which, despite all their efforts, couldn't turn up any evidence of criminal Clinton involvement; at least one of the special prosecutors resigned because he refused to keep digging when had already done his investigation and found nothing wrong).
I don't think Bush is corrupt (well, no more than anyone else who's been president). I'm much less certain about some people in his administration, with particular but not exclusive emphasis on Paige and Cheney.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
As for that particularly deluded quote, I'm quite surprised you're so against Clinton Rhaegar as he was remarkably moderate on so many things. You do remember NAFTA, for instance?
Clinton's administration got off to a lousy start, but it quickly righted itself and allowed him to steer a moderate path. Despite losing Congress to the Republicans after a particularly brilliant campaign orchestrated by the exceedinly brilliant (but notably personally morally corrupt) Newt Gingrich, Clinton managed to rack up a number of accomplishments most conservative members of Congress would be proud to have in their caps:
His tax plan in '93, which combined numerous low income and small business tax cuts (along with a capital gains cut, that darling child (rightly so) of the latest tax cuts), and only raised taxes on a small segment of the population that was at the time growing (allowing the government to tag along).
He expanded the earned income tax credit (another tax cut, I might point out).
Gave waivers to states to allow major welfare reform to be implemented -- the same welfare reform made famous by current HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson. This was before the more arguable political battle in congress, which included provisions in the bill Clinton did not like.
Significantly cut the number of federal employees (this is notably opposed to Bush's strategy, which as far as I can tell means hiring large numbers of new federal employees), to the lowest level since Kennedy was president.
NAFTA and GATT.
Brought about the overthrow of a genocidal regime in a foreign country at near zero risk to American lives, meanwhile demonstrating American technological superiority.
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