Hrm. I seem to be the bringer of bad business as far as Gibson is concerned, but, once again, I can't resist. I'm getting further weirded out by what I read about him, which is disturbing, because Gibson always struck me as an extremely likable guy... Maybe he still is. I don't know. This is about his dad, anyway. But I do note that the news media seems to come up with a lot... Think it's because they give Christianity a bad rap, or because they're putting him under a lot of scrutiny, so everything's turning up?
[ February 20, 2004, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: Book ]
Posted by Yozhik (Member # 89) on :
Mel Gibson obviously does not share his father's views about the Holocaust. He agreed with the 6 million figure in an interview. (I think it's mentioned somewhere in the thread on The Passion.)
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
These last three paragraphs sum it up to me:
quote:In this latest interview, Gibson said Jews want to take over the world. He did not know why Jews would want to achieve that, but said "it's all about control. They're after one world religion and one world government."
Asked in media interviews whether he shares his father's views, Mel Gibson has said that he loves his father and will not speak against him.
Zev Brenner, owner of Talkline, which he calls a Jewish network, has been calling for a boycott of all of Mel Gibson's movies.
1) Mel's father is a fool when it comes to Jews 2) Mel clearly disagrees with him but doesn't want to cause a family rift (remember "Honor they Father and they Mother") 3) People are getting Mel confused with his father
Hobbes Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
What a bad time for this to come out.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
quote:Zev Brenner, owner of Talkline, which he calls a Jewish network, has been calling for a boycott of all of Mel Gibson's movies.
This kinda of thing really makes me angry. So his father's a nut. Fine. But now you're going to try and ruin his SON'S career? that's ridiculous plain and simple.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
It didn't specify if he's calling for the boycott specifically because of his father's views... True or not, the film has been getting a bad rap as far as Anti-Semitism has been concerned for a while.
[ February 20, 2004, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: Book ]
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Then what, exactly, would a Jewish television head think urging his probably mostly Jewish viewers not to watch a film (that he probably hasn't seen) that he thinks is Anti-Semitic going to do? Stop his Jewish viewership from becoming Anti-Semitic?
It just seems dumb on so many levels.
[ February 20, 2004, 02:01 AM: Message edited by: Taalcon ]
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Saying your father never lied and saying your father was never WRONG are two different things entirely. If Hutton truly believes that he's correct, then if he told that to Mel, even if Mel didn't agree, he can't say that his father LIED to him.
A lie, to me, is knowingly telling a non-truth.
Just because he's crazy doesn't make him a liar.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:What a bad time for this to come out.
this actually came out a while ago. i remember getting a forward about a year ago saying how people should boycott this upcomming movie that Gibson was making called The Passion because he didn't believe that the holocuast really took place.
Posted by Olivet (Member # 1104) on :
Once, when we lived in Germany and I had a parttime nanny who was German, my dad got sort of upset that I had begun to speak English with a German accent. He said, "If I wanted Kraut babies, I'd have married a Kraut."
Now, I know my dad was a bigot, but he was an equal-opportunity bigot. Well, probably more of a misanthrope 'cause he didn't like much of anybody. He didn't even like having people over for dinner, regardless of race or national origin. Heh.
In any case, I knew he loved me a lot. He did his best for me. And I do know, despite the fact that it isn't likely to be all over international tabloids, I am reluctant to speak against him. He sacrificed a lot to give me opportunities I would not have otherwise had.
He was eccentric, yeah. But even though he's dead now, blood is thicker than water, and as a parent I now have some idea what he went through AS a parent, and I choose to honor that.
I loved my nanny. Dad never spoke against her or called her names; he simply was not comfortable with his own child sounding so 'other', I think.
I have a lot of sympathy for Mel in this issue. I don't blame him for refusing to call his dad a kook in the press, even if he disagrees with his beliefs.
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
Gibson seems extremely harsh on himself. I kinda feel bad for him, but at the same time I admire him for having so much devout and unflinching belief in something. I have heard that Catholicism does tend to incorporate a view of inadequacy in its followers.
Posted by Belle (Member # 2314) on :
I like how Gibson defended his position in the Sawyer inteview on his Dad.
I heard him say over and over "I love my father" and "You're not going to drive a wedge between me and my father."
He loves his Dad, and his Dad's beliefs are not his own, and you know what? I bet that's real common. I bet every jatraquero can say there are beliefs their parents' hold that they don't agree with.
You can't hold Gibson the elder's beliefs against Mel, that's not fair. I certainly would hate to be accountable for my stepdad's racist and hateful beliefs.
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
Actually, to be honest, I have I lot more respect for Mel Gibson after seeing the interview Monday night than I did before. Yeah, okay, he seemed a bit paranoid a couple of times. But it isn't like there isn't anybody out to get him - at least ideolgoically speaking.
In my opinion, Gibson came across as having thought deeply about the issues surrounding his film. That impressed me, considering the interviews I've seen and read with so many media personalities who come across as not being capable of thinking deeply about anything. It also impressed me that he is sticking by his beliefs despite so many people trying to demonize him.
I think it was quite proper for him not to answer questions about his father and his father's beliefs. It seems to me that some in the media are, indeed, trying really hard to get him to say something bad about his father, to "drive a wedge" between them. That's just dirty pool, even if the older man does have beliefs that most people would find objectionable.
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