It's always a shame to see someone so misusing his youth.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
How are they wasting it?
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
I think this guy missed the point of punk--it was ANTI-establishment. ANTI-capitalism. Leftist.
The reason why there are big punk bands coming out of non-capitalist nations is because of distance and the Telecommunications act, and embargos. There are punk bands in Iran, they're incredibly underground, because that kind of music is banned. North Korea, they're more worried about eating.
I am 22 years old, just like this fruitcake--why can I see these things and he can't?
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It's possible that, like a lot of Angry Young Republicans (tm) nowadays, he's convinced that the Evil Establishment IS leftist, and thinks that lowering taxes on the rich is socking it to The Man. Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Actually, I agree with a point made later on in the article: punk is an aesthetic statement. The bedrock of it, frankly, is being rude, and angry, and well, when a movement like this starts, it's going to be populated by people who don't much care for current conventions (who, I would submit, are biased toward leftists). Of course, not everyone will be of these exact political leanings, and in any event, once a scene/lifestyle/aesthetic has been around long enough to be deemed "safe" my the majority, you'll see an influx of all sorts.
-Bok
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
NO, the whole point of punk is to not fit the mold, the norm, etc. Nowadays their is a mold for punk, and that it, young, leftist, environmental, IE Green Day, so really what he is doing is completely in keeping with the punk mentality, which is break the mold, do the unexpected, he is doing what he is expected not to do as a punk, he is fulfilling the true meaning of punk. Punk is ever evolving, if it remained stagnant, then it would in essence be in conflict with itself.
Rhaegar
[ March 23, 2004, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
Yeah, but Rhaegar, Republican generally AREN'T evolving.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Yeah, but Rhaegar, Republican generally AREN'T evolving.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Starla* Republicans used to be Liberal, Democrats used to be Conservative, bit of an evolution isn't it?
And Starla* how would you know if republicans evolve? Are you one? Can you read our minds? Are you Spock? Cause if you were that would be cool, but I doubt you are.
Rhaegar
[ March 23, 2004, 04:03 PM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I guess no one has ever heard of the whole straight edge thing, eh? Or fascist punks?
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
*smacks forehead*
Punks aren't supposed to be 'leftist' or 'rightist', liberal or conservative, anyway. They're supposed to be anarchists.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Punks are not supposed to be anything, they are whatever everyone around them is not. So if your in a Communist country, you go Capitalist, If all punks in the States are Liberal, you go Conservative.
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
Sorry, Rhaegar, I didn't mean to piss anyone off.
Stormy's right---punks are generally "supposed" to be anarchists.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
No pro Starla* I just love being able to say Spock in a political post.
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
But then again, this guy is a capitalist punk in a capitalist country--doesn't that defeat the point?
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
But the people he is type cast with are Liberal, Communistic, Anarchistic etc. So to avoid the type cast, that is the option left.
Rhaegar
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
And let's face it, punk is pretty much dead, anyway.
Posted by Starla* (Member # 5835) on :
*shrugs* Too many labels, too little time. I don't know.
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Storm_Saxon, say not so. It maybe that the mainstream view of todays punk is posers like Simple Plan and their like, but Punk is far from dead. If you recieve the channel FUSE you may take that as proof, if not, consider this, have you ever spent one day in a decent sized city and not seen at least one skater, punk, emo kid? By decent sized over five thousand. In the states that is, and not in Omish Country.
Rhaegar
Posted by Tiger Eye (Member # 6353) on :
1. Punk is not dead. 2. This guy is totally missing the point of what he stands for by calling himself a 'punk'. Punk culture was established as a rebellion against authority, the capitalist government, and the hierarchy of the patriarchal arrangement. Punk isn't a wardrobe, as this guy seems to be thinking, its the attitude. Painting your face like a demonic clown, ripping your pants and listening to 'punk' music doesnt make you punk. It's about realizing the truth beyond text-book right-wing propaganda and doing something about it! (Screw society!)
"We hold these truths to be self evident: number one: George W Bush is not president number two: America is not a true democracy and number three: The media is not fooling me."
**** Hey guys...fyi...my vocabulary is much better than my spelling. It's not that I didn't proofread, it's that I can't spell to save my life.
[ March 23, 2004, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: Tiger Eye ]
Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
Tiger Eye
Maybe wherever you are you hold those truths to be self evident, but where I come from I hold these to be self evident. And I can't speak for other skaters because thats the whole point, each has their own voice.
One: The United States is a Democratic Republic and never claimed to be else.
Two: Bush is the best president we've had in years.
Three: Anyone who tries to say that all punks, skaters, goths etc. think one thing has no idea whatsoever what in the world he is talking about.
Rhaegar
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Though Eisenhower's moderate positions also riled the party core, Republicans haven't been liberal since TeddyRoosevelt, whose presidential policies were a complete&unpleasant surprise to the Republican political machine. A hundred years is a long time. Before him, the last liberal Republican president was AbrahamLincoln.
Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
Let me drag up my punk youth... okay, it's not that far from the surface.
Both the left and the right are sell outs. They both suck and left folks twisting in the wind.
Now back to a bit of Joe Strummer and the only band that ever mattered...
Posted by prolixshore (Member # 4496) on :
Number one, you guys are acting like this guy is new. The Misfits have been around for quite some time.
Number 2, there are a growing number of punks who are convervative today. Why is this? Because punks are people who rebel against the establishment of their time. For most young punks the government they grew up with was the liberal government under Bill Clinton. So it makes sense that they would be rebelling against liberalism rather than Conservativism like their predecessors in the time of Reagan did.
Number 3, you can play any type of music you want and not fit the stereotype of that kind of musician. What about liberal country singers? How about Christian rap artists? Isn't this the same type of being outside the stereotype? Who says all punk artists have to be anarchists?
--ApostleRadio
Lyrics from a punk song:
I heard someone say I'm headed north If this thing goes to war The sleeve of his flack jacket had an American Flag I guess that's what Ronnie Reagan meant When he said the best offense is a good defense Do they sell gas masks at home depot
Sometimes George you gotta be mean Forget about voters who are hugging trees You gotta follow whats in your heart.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
While we're quoting lyrics, here's one of my favorite all time songs. It's from NoFX, and it's called Happy Guy:
He's just a man getting through life the best he can He's a not a scientist, he programs a computer Before that he sold cars to pay off his student loans now he receives pity From his family - his friends say how could he Turn his back on reason worshipping a God Finding truth through fear and mind control He's just a man trying to explain how He found the word of God could make his life seem less insane So he shares what he's read, what he understands, it makes Sense to him, it makes perfect sense He's never seen the world so clearly Turn his back on free will - has he lost his mind? He'd rather kneel down than take charge of his life And he knows what people think, but it dosen't sway him He can read the writings on the wall 'Cause he knows how people treat, how they treat each other A sacrifice to benefit the all Don't try to judge him, his theologian ideas His hopes may be false but his happiness is real Don't try to judge him, he's just a man
Posted by Danzig (Member # 4704) on :
Here are some from The Decline:
Jerry spent some time in Michigan A twenty year vacation, after all he had a dime A dime is worth a lot more in Detroit A dime in California, a twenty dollar fine
Jerry only stayed a couple months It's hard to enjoy yourself while bleeding out the ass Asphyxiation is simple and fast It beats seventeen fun years of being someones bitch
Posted by cyruseh (Member # 1120) on :
I always got a little kick, out of growing up as a punk ( but not too punk ) skater and people stereotyping me. Whenever politics came up and I felt my viewpoint was worth sharing, people were surpised to hear my "conservative" thoughts. I dont know why they call it conservative. Most of my thoughts are based on my belief that federal government should be as small as possible... could this be anarchist? I think people should be locally governed, let my community decide how we want to educate our children, not some dip "expert" sitting in an oversized office in washington.
So yeah, I can see how right-wing thought could fit in the a punk thought. Leave us alone, would be the main point. While the republicans seem to be getting in on it, the democrats are the masters of meddling in to everyones lives.
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
Punk is dead.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: Are you Spock?
For the record, I am not Spock.
quote: It's not that I didn't proofread, it's that I can't spell to save my life.
You might try ieSpell. I adore it!
Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
Sure punk is anti-establishment, but it's also anti-group think. I also don't see a strong environmental component in punk/alternative. Punks are into authenticity. If we are going to have a Yalie frat boy as president, he better be a conservative republican and not some nomially liberal tree hugging sexual harasser like Clinton.
edit: spelling
[ March 24, 2004, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: pooka ]
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
Darn, can't believe that was my 3000th post. Stupid Windows xp. (I was logged into my kid's profile on Windows)
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
I hit 300 earlier today and had a fairly similar reaction.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Just delete your post and do it over.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
Good idea Jon Boy. If she does, we'll look silly though, talking about the post that doesn't exist.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Of course, Kat might already be deleting her posts in a random act of malice.
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
Thanks, best laugh I've had all day.
Posted by skrika03 (Member # 5930) on :
We saw some punks at Wal Mart today (long story short, I thought I would be able to buy my son some comfortable pants there and they didn't have them. :burns voodoo poppet of Sam Walton: ) So my daughter at first says, out of their earshot, "Their hair looks really weird."
Then we see them again in the parking lot. Daughter: Look, it's those boys who think it is Halloween. Son: Where? Where's Halloween? I want to see Halloween!
I ponder how sad it is that punk started, really, close to 30 years ago.
We get in the car and drive to MacDonald's (really, this is not my life, and thus explains why the punks happened to go to the same MacDonald's. In the car I had explained to my daughter that they are called punks and that a lot of people wore their hair weird when I was young. I think my husband had me get rid of the pictures in case this very situation ever arose...
daughter: Look! The punks are at MacDonald's too!
Posted by peterh (Member # 5208) on :
My kids laugh at them and say things like, "Look at their funny hair." I have no choice but to agree 12 inch long orange spikes of hair coming out of someones head does look pretty funny. Especially through a 4 yr old's eyes.
Does anyone else watch Joan of Arcadia on CBS? The Goth/Punk version of the Almighty is my favorite.
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