I can't even come to KamaCon, and I would buy a shirt that says "Kiss me, I'm a Jatraquera"!!! That's an awesome idea, I like Kama's design best (Sorry fugu).
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I love the Prove Your Existance tagline. The kiss me one could be made for hatrackers in general, but the other one could be modified and printed up for other big gatherings. And it's just so-so-so clever! And I like that it has the con name and the city... I really think we need both.
Um, I've got a line on a place that makes shirts cheap, if no one else does. My church uses them all the time...
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I agree ElJay. The Prove your Existence tag-line is really appropriate and hilarious. (Even though I probably can't come myself. I would still buy one.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Yeah, I absolutely want a Prove Your Existence shirt.
Any chance we can get some (well, one, anyway ) with 3/4-length-or-longer sleeves?
Posted by Valentine014 (Member # 5981) on :
I want one! Make that (2) 3/4-length shirts. I love the PYE line.
*will be proving her existence to Xavier on May 6 and Shindaites in June*
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Hmmm. "Shindaite" is a great word and a great Hatrack meme. *adds it to the list*
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
As much as I would like to be kissed for being a Jatraquera, I prefer the "Prove your existence" line. It's completely fitting for this gathering, I think.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I think we should combine them.
"Prove your existence." "Kiss me."
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I also like combining the ideas. Have the Kiss Me logo on the front, then on the back you can have in regular lettering the Prove Your Existence 2004 idea. Kind of like concert shirts are done -- with a graphic on the front and the tour dates/places on the back.
Farmgirl
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*shrug* I'd actually rather not have the Kiss Me bit on there at all. But that's probably just me.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote: "Prove your existence." "Kiss me."
Would make it so I couldn't wear this shirt. Anywhere but at the con itself, with lots of other people around me also wearing it, of course. I get enough street harrassment as it is, this would just be asking for trouble.
"Kiss me I'm a Jatraquera" at least would make people pause to question what a Jatraquera is, and is not so much a challenge.
Edit 'cause rivka was faster.... it's not just you. I think we need two shirts.
[ April 18, 2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Oh, that's fine. I was kidding. Posted by Zevlag (Member # 1405) on :
Kat, I liked the idea
Actually I love the idea of being at an event with lots of Jatraquera's wearing a shirt with the words "kiss me" on it. ::grins::
[ April 18, 2004, 08:44 PM: Message edited by: Zevlag ]
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
I think we should make the KamaCon shirt for the actual con, but make the "Kiss me, I'm a jatraquera" available online for everyone.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Why can't we use katharina's idea (from another thread)... .
quote:Jatraqueros: Like your real friends. Only smarter.
on the shirts?
Farmgirl
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Okay, I want to see this happen, so I'm going to make it happen, assuming there's enough interest. I will get a price quote for getting both shirts done at different quantities, post it, take orders (with size needs, so I know what to get) and have the shirts made. First we need two things:
What color? I really don't need any more white T-shirts. How about a nice teal for the Kiss Me one, with the text in white? Other suggestions?
On the KamaCon one, does the graphic in the logo have any particular meaning, or is it just there to add visual interest? 'Cause one-color printing is going to be a lot cheaper. I'd like to see the logo modded slightly to be a solid white box with the KAMA and CON in black, with the strip in the middle black and CHICAGO in white, and slap it on a black shirt. But again, just an idea. What do y'all think?
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
I have to say I like Taal's idea best. It's simple, effective, has punch. . .
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Can we have girl-shaped shirts, too?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Yes to Taal's. It's perfect.
And...to Kama. Girl-shaped t-shirts, please.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
ElJay you are a wonderful human being. I want to see the shirts happen, but considering how stressed out I let myself get over the hotel situation I don't think volunteering myself is a good idea.
Particularly after the several "N.A.V.Y."-Never Again Volunteer Yourself lectures I've gotten from Steve recently, that were for my own good. I have this bad tendency to overcommit myself and then stress out getting everything done.
So for Kama Con I'm delegating away!
AJ
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Colors -- as long as it is NOT red, pink or orange (all horrible colors on red-heads like me), I will buy it. Preferably, though, blue, teal, black, white or something like that which goes with everything (does teal go with blue jeans?)
Farmgirl
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
I'll buy a hatrack girl shaped t-shirt. If you deliver to Australia.
(I'll pay the postage).
Personally - I'm not sure about the "kiss me" shirt. BUT - I'm not going to be at KamaCon.. So - I'm undecided.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Farmgirl - you're a redhead???
I've managed to build a picture of you in my head that just isn't a redhead.
But I'm willing to adapt. Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
[ April 21, 2004, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
Far out!
In fact, in this circumstance I'll go the whole hog - Far out brussel sprout!
You are nothing like I imagined you. I'm not sure why.
However, having seen your photo - I'll be keeping Tony away. He has a thing for redheads.
Edit: girl shaped t-shirts are stretchier over the bust and proportionatly smaller over the shoulders and waist. At least in my understanding. Boy-shaped t-shirts (straight up and down with BIG shoulders) just don't fit me.
[ April 21, 2004, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: imogen ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Boy-shaped t-shirts have side seams that are straight lines. Girl-shaped t-shirts have narrower shoulders and curve in at the waist. That way it's possible to get a t-shirt that fits your chest without wearing a tent.
Posted by imogen (Member # 5485) on :
And yeah. What Kat said. Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Add me to the girl-shaped t-shirt (with 3/4-length sleeves, please) list.
As far as color goes; black, blue, teal, all sound good.
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I have big shoulders. Girl shaped ones don't fit me terribly well. Though I guess I could get an extralarge and it might be better than a boy shaped shirt.
Do we have an estimated cost on these things yet? I'm sure it depends on quantity ordered and from where.
AJ
Posted by Vána (Member # 3262) on :
Oh, I *love* Kama's kiss me design! I'd order a girl-shaped one, 3/4 sleeves would be fantastic, and those blue/black/teal/whatever colors sound just perfect.
How fun!
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Here's variation on a theme, with a navy-ish background in mind:
Ohhh, pretty!!!
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
I like! *thumbs-up*
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Excellent work, Taal. That's the first one I've seen so far that I might consider wearing. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
I think it is offically KamaCon since that's what I told the hotel,and mostly what weve been calling it here. We tried a bunch of other names out but KamaCon stuck.
AJ
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
According to the 'hotel name' logic, Banna, WenchCon 04 was 'officially' called "Computer Companions".
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Could we use Cafepress?
And AJ, I have the same problem. I have an average bust, broad shoulders *mutter*, of course curves, and a long torso. So women fit shirts fit well at the bust, are too small in shoulders and sleeves, fit well on curves, too short on the bottom. Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
O_o Computer Companions?
But I like the Kamacon one better.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Hey, should I be bringing photographic prints or copies of books or making calendars for people? I know there was some interest in that, as well as some people wanting me to sign there books. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
mack you are coming! I didn't realize you were.
*does happy dance!*
AJ
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
I want to have mack's book signed. Theca promised to order one copy for me, but to be honest I'm not sure if she'll be coming to the Con.
So, would that be a problem if you brought one spare copy with you? Cause I'm so freaking far away, and if it was my only chance to get it (signed) and I would miss it...
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Kama, if Theca isn't able to come, I'm pretty sure she'd be willing to send me the book so I could give it to you.
So don't panic
AJ
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Okay. Sorry for distrusting
And thank you thank you, too
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
The benefits to using Cafepress is that we can put multiple designs up, and then people could get the design they want. We could also get stuff like coffee mugs and mousepads, if people aren't the t-shirt type.
The drawbacks are that it might be more expensive going through Cafepress than using a local merchant.
I'll go research costs and stuff. And if we decide to go with Cafepress, then I volunteer to set up the store. Doing online stuff is easier for me than calling places and whatnot.
[ April 21, 2004, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: xnera ]
Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
quote: Colors -- as long as it is NOT red, pink or orange (all horrible colors on red-heads like me), I will buy it.
Ditto. *high fives for redhead*
Oh, and I'll buy both, ElJay. Just send the word. Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
I love Taal's designs for a shirt, especially the last two.
I would buy one, even though I can't come to Chicago this summer.
Besides, I've already proved my existence at Endercon and Wenchcon 2004. Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
hmm there are a lot of interesting things there...
a Kama Con Thong has lots of potential... Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Our hotel room will be handing them out as prizes.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
For what? Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
O_O
We will? Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Cafepress does have some cool stuff... my place would be way cheaper. I am expecting the shirts to be about $10, I haven't gotten a quote yet because it depends on things like if we get long, short, or 3/4 sleeves, girl tees or "normal" tees, and color... light printing on dark shirts is more expensive, because they usually have to double process it.
I love the new art... please, carry on the discussion, and I'll get a quote early next week with what seems to be the consensus, and we can decide if we want to go with that or Cafepress, or both, if some people really need thongs.
imogen, of course I'll ship to Australia!
What I'm thinking now is the Kiss Me in girl tees, which usually only come short sleeved, and the KamaCon in long & short sleeved options. 3/4 length if I can get it, 'cause that's my fav.
Edit: I won't be around anymore tonight or at all tomorrow, pretty much. I'll catch up on the thread Friday, before going dress shopping with my lovely sister.
[ April 21, 2004, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
Wouldn't a Kama Con thong be a great gag gift for dkw's bachelorette party, LJ? AJ
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
quote:What I'm thinking now is the Kiss Me in girl tees, which usually only come short sleeved, and the KamaCon in long & short sleeved options. 3/4 length if I can get it, 'cause that's my fav
But I want girl-shaped Taal's Kama Con! Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Kama, aren't you already a girl-shaped Taal's KamaCon? Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
I'm very fond of Taal's KamaCon shirt. I know light on dark is more expensive, but a nice dark blue t-shirt with the white design on it would be awsome. A long sleeved version would be even better, but I have a feeling I'm the only person who thinks that.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Actually, celia, I agree with you 100%. I also prefer the light-on-dark, and long sleeves (3/4 length are the minimum, for me -- longer is great).
Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
Being a bit on the tall and long limbed side, I prefer longer. 3/4 lengths just look funny on me.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Yeah, my mom has that problem. She has to buy tall-sized shirts, or the cuffs end up in odd places. I prefer long sleeves, but can get away with 3/4 length.
At least, that's what I tell myself. Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
But I can still get short-sleeved girl shaped KamaCon design? Right? Right?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Kama, I want one too.
hmm...Let's see what ElJay comes up with, and maybe there's something we could do to fill in the vaccuum if one is apparent.
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
Either way, whenever the decision is made, I can provide you with a higher-res version of the image if needs be.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Of course you can, Kama! Turtle will print anything we ask him to, it's just if we're printing smaller numbers of more versions it costs more. But he's a no-minimum shop, so that's not problem.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
(of course, I won't be able to pay until KamaCon, so why would I care about the costs?)
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
*bumpbumpbump*
I still haven't heard any thoughts on colors for the Kiss Me shirt. KamaCon looks pretty set white print on navy, especially with the cool new design. He does have baby tees with contrast raglan sleeves, although the sleeves are pretty little. So we could get Kiss Me in, say, white with aqua sleeves and aqua printing. Or light blue with navy sleeves and print, or, heaven forbid, pink with dark pink/maroonish sleeves and print.
Also, do we want the Hatrack URL on the shirts anywhere? It could be added little along the bottom of the design, or we could have it on the back of the shirt.
For a price idea... I've got the pre-printing costs now, there would be a screen fee for each design that will be spread out over however many people order and the printing fee for each shirt, but those aren't going to come out to much.
A basic, ladies' 100% cotton short sleeved tee is $3.96 for S - XL and $5.78 for 2XL. That is "fashion cut for ladies," it is not a baby-tee. A short-sleeved ribbed tee, which has a closer fit, but still isn't a baby-tee, is $7.38 pre-printing S - XL. The contrast sleeve mention above is $8.40, and a 3/4 length contrast baseball sleeve in heather gray with navy sleeves (really cute!) is $11.56.
There isn't a cheap long-sleeved ladies option, the lowest price is $9.88 for a ribbed, 100% cotton shirt with "fashion silhouette." If the women who want long sleeved don't care about girl cut, the boy's long sleeved 100% cotton start at $5.98 for S - XL, $8.00 2XL.
Basic boy's heavyweight cotton short-sleeved tees start at $3.40 for S - XL, $5.34 for 2XL and 3XL. If any of the guys out there want a muscle shirt or ribbed tank, they can be had for $7.78 or $8.60, respectively.
What I'm waiting on is to find out if we can all order the style of shirt we want and pay one set-up fee. Then if we all get them the same color, we can get long and short sleeved men's and women's shirts, and the people who want a cheap option can pay probably five bucks, and those who want something snazzier may go up to $15, but we'll all still look like a crowd storming around Chicago. I, personally, will be the one out jogging in the morning in my spiffy navy KamaCon sports bra.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Wow! That's cheap! great shopping LJ!
I'm all for the white/on/navy option -- but am open to what others want, as well.
We are talking about Taal's newest design, right?
I don't have an opinion one way or the other about the URL being on the T. I'll buy it either way.
Farmgirl
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
We're talking about Taal's latest design for KamaCon, white on navy, and Kama's original design for Kiss Me I'm a Jatraquera, color as of yet unknown. I think there was enough interest in each to get both.
I am willing to take orders and get the shirts, and bring them to Chicago for those who will be there or ship them wherever for cost of shipping for those who will not be in Chicago, or just want their shirts early. If I'm shipping, I will request a check be sent to me in advance. Otherwise, I will take payment on delivery in Chicago.
Note: I'm still fine with going with CafePress if that's how others want to do it. It has the advantage of everyone just ordering what they want and having it shipped straight to them. The only disadvantage is price.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
The url is copyrighted.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I like this option. The only fear is that people will not order one, come to the Con, and then want one. We'll just have to advertise well in advance.
ElJay, you're a princess for doing this. It sounds great.
Is there just one set up fee per design? Because I have to admit I would like a JatraCon one as well. With the tag line of "Like your real friends. Only smarter." on it. Could that be possible?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Yeah, dkw told me about the URL this afternoon. Understandable.
Katharina, I was thinking about the problem of people not ordering shirts and then seething with jealousy when they see how cool we all are in ours. I do plan on advertising well, as well as trying to connect with each confirmed attendee if they don't order one. (You're sure you don't want a shirt? Okay, then don't come crying to me...) But I'll probably spring for a few extras, just in case.
Anything could be possible. But I don't know about the one-set-up fee or not yet, I just e-mailed the question this morning and since it's the weekend I don't expect to hear back until Monday. From places I've ordered from before, a screen set-up fee has been about $20... so spread out over 20 shirts, it adds a buck a shirt, or it turns one $4 shirt into a $24 shirt. All depends on how much you want it, and if other people want it too.
Finally, how do people feel about this: I'd like to add 50 cents to the price of each shirt and give Taal a free one for doing the design and Kama a free one for doing the Kiss Me design and 'cause it's her party. If I hear no objections, I'll consider it good. (If I hear objections, I'll have a two-tiered price structure and do it anyway.)
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote: Finally, how do people feel about this: I'd like to add 50 cents to the price of each shirt and give Taal a free one for doing the design and Kama a free one for doing the Kiss Me design and 'cause it's her party.
I enthusiastically agree!
I'm not a big fan of ribbed, so I'll tentatively go with a 2XL "boy" T (white on navy, Taal's KamaCon design). Unless the baseball-sleeve ones also come in navy (body, not sleeves)? (I'm assuming the one-set-up-fee gets a yes.)
Oh, and ditto what Farmgirl said! Great job, ElJay! *applauds*
Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
I'd gladly pay for one, but I'd gladly take one for free too Posted by celia60 (Member # 2039) on :
I'll go with medium boys long sleeve navy with white.
Posted by Kama (Member # 3022) on :
In that case, I will be buying the other design! And will have two shirts! Yay!
ElJay, you're wondeful!
[ April 25, 2004, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: Kama ]
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I think that's my first hatrack kiss.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
$24 seems pretty pricey for a T-shirt. But maybe the price would go down if more people order?
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Ela, yes... $24 was for if we're ordering KamaCon shirts and Katharina wants a JatraCon one as well, with a different tagline, and is the only one who wants it. There's usually one set-up fee for the screen printing, and then the cost of the shirt itself. So if they're only making one shirt, that person has to pay the whole set-up fee, but if they're making 10, it gets split among those 10 people. Since I'm anticipating about 30 orders for the KamaCon shirt, it'll add less than a buck to each shirt (if I'm right about the amount of the fee) and they'll end up being about $5 for a basic short-sleeved t-shirt.
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
Oh. That's more like it. Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I've got prices quotes, I'm putting all the options together and will start a new thread in the next couple of days.
Taalcon, did you see katharina's request for your JatraCon design with a changed tagline to Like Your Real Friends. Only Smarter.?" Are you willing to make that mod for us? Also, can you send me the images in ESP format? That's what the shirt guy requested... and I hearby admit I don't know what it means. And I didn't ask, but I think it would make sense to send it as a black image on white background, if you don't mind. The shirts will be white on navy, of course.
Kama, can you also send me your Kiss Me design black on white, as an ESP file? If you can't do the format, send it to me however you can and I'll get it modded. Nobody has expressed a color preference for this shirt, so I don't know if y'all still want it, but I found something I think it'll look really cute on so I'm going to throw it out there and see if anyone bites.
[ April 27, 2004, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: ElJay ]
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I missed this...as one that isn't going to Kamacon...are you taking orders on the site or just from the people that are going? I might want one of the Kiss me designs too...
Posted by xnera (Member # 187) on :
Hey. Just wanted to drop in the thread and say that I agree that Eljay's place sounds the best option, both for price reasons and because we can get colored shirts. Cafepress only does white and ash gray.
But if anyone really has their heart set on getting a Kamacon thong, I'll still happily set up the site. Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Could we do the "Kiss me.." shirts bubblegum pink? It doesn't really seem as if they could be any other color.
Either way, I'd like a long sleeved KamaCon shirt- small, and a girls tee "Kiss me.." shirt, also small.
And I know I'll have the money to pay for them and I know I'll be able to go to KamaCon because I just got a job!
*bounces happily*
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I'll take orders from anyone who wants a shirt. You just get added shipping costs.
And xnera, yeah, my place only does boxers. So if anyone wants thongs, they're all yours.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Oh, and I'm not taking orders yet . Will do so through e-mail when the time comes, so I don't miss anyone. Just getting the final details nailed down first!
Posted by Pixie (Member # 4043) on :
Maybe two different shirts? or a combination? Those are both so priceless...
I want one of each! Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Pixie, yes, both shirts are being made. Enough people wanted each, or both.
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