Hatrack River Forum: The Ark Of The Covenant, The Knights Templar, Time-Travel, and Laurence Gardner

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Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/LaurenceGardner.html

For those who have not read Gardner's earlier works, they are quite on the fringe of belief. But this article is very interesting to me since my father-in-law works at Fermilab in Chicagoland and deals with the higher-order physics that this article explains in some detail.

Sounds too good to be true, and the monoatomic, white-powdered gold that is referred to frequently is the same that Gardner suggests has been used since biblical times to bake Manna, or the bread from heaven, and is responsible for the extremely long lives of many Biblical characters.

Could science actually progress to the point of explaining more miracles of the Bible, or is this all just a bunch of bunk?

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

Hah! Heresy!

Seriously - we can speculate about what happened and and possibly how it happened, but we have no way of verifying what actually happened.

That being said, while Science may propose possible explanations, I suspect a fair number of people will refuse to accept any explanation besides the Divine.

I refer you to the ongoing Evolution debate.

-Trevor

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

Trevor,

This is more than a peddler claiming to be selling splinters from the cross of Christ. The history of religion is fascinating, and the lost Ark is one of the most fantastic and entertaining stories that has emerged from Biblical conspiracies.

Please do not tell me it is locked up in a warehouse somewhere...

Fools! Beaurocratic fools!

Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

When I was a kid, I used to listen to Art Bell's radio show as I was falling asleep. It was full of conspiracy theories, dazzling new discoveries, UFO sightings, you name it. I totally bought all of it, sometimes literally. Solar flare is going to destroy the Earth? Okay, I was researching nearby caverns and stockpiling canned goods. Military has discovered a way to develop ESP? Okay, I bought the training tapes. And finally, when I was 13 or 14, I sent $5 (in cash, of course) to a guy who was selling rings that would let you travel through time.

Look up gullible, and you'll find me in the dictionary. [Big Grin]

Moral of the story: Don't let your kids listen to Art Bell!

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

Hey man, are you selling the ring? I got 5 bucks...

Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :

Sure, that'll be $5 for the ring, plus $35 for shipping, and the mandatory $66 anti-demon insurance.

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

I'm not going to tell you anything - although I may hint at it heavily. It's the paranoid theorist in me. [Big Grin]

The speculation is fascinating, but without documentable proof, I might as well claim the Ark was nothing but a Star Trek phaser built into a shrine of gold and consecrated to the nearest God handy.

If we can "explain" the how and why, atheists will claim victory, likening religion to worshipping thunder. [Hail]

Monotheists will claim that a happy coincidence, nothing more. God's miracles are still miracles and nothing you will change my mind, so [Taunt]

.

Moderates will say, "yeah...maybe" and go about their business. [Dont Know]

So again, I say - fun to speculate, but until some discernable proof is obtained, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

-Trevor

Posted by Anti-Christ (Member # 5714) on :

Don't worry, I'll get half the cost of the insurance, there. ...and your address? [Evil Laugh]

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

Well said Trevor. I agree with your line of thinking, and please do not misunderstand mine. I am not trying to change a person's beliefs or enlighten anyone. I just want to solidify mine and know .

How many people in this world want to stand before the Almighty when it is their time and ask to be told everything? A fool's errand, I suppose, to try and do it while on this ball of mud.

[ July 05, 2004, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: Alucard... ]

Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :

"Could science actually progress to the point of explaining more miracles of the Bible, or is this all just a bunch of bunk?"

No "or" is necessary. Science can progress to the point of explaining and debunking more miracles of the Bible, but this is all just a bunch of bunk.

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

Thank You Tom. That was the anwswer I was looking for, and actually, expected it sooner.

Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :

No problem. You can always count on me to be the less reasonable fall guy you need. [Smile]

Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :

Please clarify for the newbie - which bunk are we referring to?

The science used to explain Biblical miracles, Biblical miracles themselves or reality as we know it?

-Trevor

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

I have to admit, though, that the idea of Biblical Miracles, all illustrated in a sci-fi setting, with magic and technology thrown in for good measure sounds like a ripe vein of material that could produce a good book or two, (or 5)!

Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :

Tom, one thing that always bothered me about this material is the entire concept of monoatomic gold. We have been using gold salts in pharmaceuticals for years, and I never watched anyone levitate or teleport. Maybe we were just using the wrong one. Sodium chloride is much different than sodium hyprochlorite...

Still, this is fun stuff indeed to read.