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Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
 
That was what I said when I read it, I said to myself, Jenny, I said, that barkeep is Aberforth Dumbledore. And it was.

She speaks

Rowling said several interesting things in this interview, which will please all the HP addicts, but mostly I am pleased that the barkeep was Aberforth.

And she seems to be implying that the sixth book is halfway done.

Happy Jen
 

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Halfway done after only a year? Sweeeeet. I can dream of a summer 05 release.

It could happen.

Edit: okay, after actually reading the interview...this stuff was just too juicy to pass up.

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Q:What form does Dumbledore’s Patronus take?

A:Good question. Can anyone guess? You have had a clue. There was a little whisper there. It is a phoenix, which is very representative of Dumbledore for reasons that I am sure you can guess.

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I thought that I would give you something though, rather than get to the end of today and think that I have not given you a lot. There are two questions that I have never been asked but that I should have been asked, if you know what I mean. If you want to speculate on anything, you should speculate on these two things, which will point you in the right direction. The first question that I have never been asked—it has probably been asked in a chatroom but no one has ever asked me—is, “Why didn’t Voldemort die?” Not, “Why did Harry live?” but, “Why didn’t Voldemort die?” The killing curse rebounded, so he should have died. Why didn’t he? At the end of Goblet of Fire he says that one or more of the steps that he took enabled him to survive. You should be wondering what he did to make sure that he did not die—I will put it that way. I don’t think that it is guessable. It may be—someone could guess it—but you should be asking yourself that question, particularly now that you know about the prophesy. I’d better stop there or I will really incriminate myself. The other question that I am surprised no one has asked me since Phoenix came out—I thought that people would—is why Dumbledore did not kill or try to kill Voldemort in the scene in the ministry. I know that I am giving a lot away to people who have not read the book. Although Dumbledore gives a kind of reason to Voldemort, it is not the real reason. When I mentioned that question to my husband—I told Neil that I was going to mention it to you—he said that it was because Voldemort knows that there are two more books to come. As you can see, we are on the same literary wavelength. [Laughter]. That is not the answer; Dumbledore knows something slightly more profound than that. If you want to wonder about anything, I would advise you to concentrate on those two questions. That might take you a little bit further.

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I'll write something about thise, I'm just going to happily stew on these for a while.

[ August 17, 2004, 12:28 AM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Why do I have the feeling that she'll have the entire series finished before Martin gets done with A Feast for Crows?
 

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Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Nothing to stew on. I think it's become fairly obvious that Voldemort's life is in some way connected to Harry's, and that it is essential for Harry to die in order for Voldemort to die, as well.
 

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Posted by Toretha (Member # 2233) on :
 
Yknow, Jen, you call me to scream that she's preggers, or to tell me about Dream and Thessaly, but you don't call about the interesting things? This strikes me as unfair.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
Did you all find the two sentences from Half Blood Prince behind the vault door?
 

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Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
 
I think it's Crookshanks

Jen
 

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
TomD, you are no fun at all.

I'm really curious as to why a pheonix is so representative of Dumbledore.

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I think it's become fairly obvious that Voldemort's life is in some way connected to Harry's, and that it is essential for Harry to die in order for Voldemort to die, as well.

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Why is the barman of the Hog’s Head vaguely familiar to Harry? Is he Dumbledore’s brother?

Ooh—you are getting good. Why do you think that it is Aberforth? [Audience member: Various clues. He smells of goats and he looks a bit like Dumbledore]. I was quite proud of that clue. That is all that I am going to say. [Laughter]. Well yes, obviously. I like the goat clue—I sniggered to myself about that one.

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Voldemort's life is in some way connected to Harry's, and that it is essential for Harry to die in order for Voldemort to die, as well.

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I missed the goat clue... OK, so why does the barman smelling like goats signify that he's Aberforth?

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*snigger*

"My own brother, Aberforth, was prosecuted for practicing inappropriate charms on a goat. It was all over the papers, but did Aberforth hide? No, he did not! He held his head high and went about his business as usual! Of course, I'm not entire sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery..."

GoF, Chapter 24. Dumbledore is like the favorite grandpa I wish I had.
 

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Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Dumbledore has two Phoenix references - the "Order of the Phoenix" and his pet Fawkes.

It may very well Dumbledore is entirely too friendly with his pet bird or he shares similar traits with the bird.

And for some reason, I keep hearing the parrot/fridge joke.

-Trevor
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 

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Did you all find the two sentences from Half Blood Prince behind the vault door?

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Section: Rumours
The text on the book behind the (ahem) impossible-to-open door means something highly significant.

It doesn't; it's simply filler, as many of you knew. (And if you don't understand what I'm talking about here, you weren't online when a clever Potter fan hacked his way through the door with the 'Do Not Disturb' sign on it.)

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So either they both die, or they continue to live.

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I got the door open, but there's nothing behind it. Why?

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Uh... because there is something behind the door. If you see the black behind the door, you're doing it correctly. Just find the lightswitch... and go from there.
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
The light switch doesn't change what's behind the door. What am I doing wrong here?
 

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Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
I just have to say, cause I've looked every which way---

what door??
 

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Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
 
I agree with Tom. To me it seems pretty apparent that if Voldemort dies, Harry dies -- that they are intrinsically bound to each other. Dumbledore refuses to kill Voldemort because it would kill Harry, and perhaps because he thinks Voldemort having to "live" tied to Harry is a worse punishment for him than death...

Farmgirl
 

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Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
 
Actually, he didn't kill Voldemort at the very end because Voldemort was inside Harry.

Edit: Let me rephrase that: Dumbledore didn't kill Voldemort before Harry was possessed because of a genuine dislike of killing. It's only after Harry is possessed that Dumbledore expresses any fear of killing Harry.

I think only Voldemort can kill Harry, and only Harry can kill Voldemort, assuming the prophecy is true.

Dagonee

[ August 20, 2004, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]
 

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Posted by Rhaegar The Fool (Member # 5811) on :
 
Ni! Harry will kill Voldemort proper yes, but not before he turns completely evil by means of possesion by Voldemort. Neville will then fulfill the prohpecy of killing the dark lord. Neville is who the phrophecy is about, Harry is the dark lord.

[ August 20, 2004, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: Rhaegar The Fool ]
 

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Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
 
Oh please, Ron and Hermoine run off to the English equivelant of Vegas and get hitched. Harry, in horrible melodrama at the fear of being alone, kills himself and, unexpectedly, Voldemorte also.

---T_Smith
 

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Posted by Bob the Lawyer (Member # 3278) on :
 
Does that mean I get Ginny? Cuz I'd be cool with that.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
There's a lightswitch behind the door. Click on the black space about 1/3 of the width from the left, on a level even with the bottom of the windowsill. Click around in that area and the light should turn on, giving you yet another puzzle (and another after that), and then the (possibly not-really-worth-it) "prize."

The door is what you see when you click on the hairtie (with the dialogue bubble "?") on the main page.



And obviously, Harry destroys Voldemort with help from the reformed Draco, who reformed because of his deep, abiding love of Harry and loathing of ugly tattoos.
 

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Posted by Khal Drogo (Member # 6786) on :
 
What game is this?
 

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Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
Only Neville can kill Voldemorte.

However, Voldemorte believes that Harry is the one that can kill him, and is doing everything in his power to kill Harry. He ignores Neville as being beneath his contempt. This is the real thing that Dumbledore feels guilty about. He has set up Harry as bait.

Draco will develop a love/hate relationship with Hermonie, but Ron will beat him up in a fight.

Draco will be used and abused by Voldemorte to get to Harry, and begin to rebel against the darkness because of it. Draco's father will encourage this use as a neccesary sacrifice for the greater-er-power. This will send a nasty split between father and son, resulting in Draco cursing his father. Draco's still a pain though and won't turn all goody goody.

Voldemorte, possibly via Draco, will almost kill Harry when Snape gives his life for him. As Snape dies he will say something about Harry reminding him of Harry's mother.

Neville, and the spirits of his parents, the best Auror's ever, will then enter and totally destroy Voldemorte.
 

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Posted by Khal Drogo (Member # 6786) on :
 
Isn't that what Rhaegar said, only with Harry dieing.
 

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Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
 
I'd be really, really, REALLY surprised if Rowling were to kill off Harry (or Ron, or Hermione). They're the main characters, and these are kids' books (even if teens and adults like them too), and usually people who write kids' books don't kill off the main protagonists that kids are gonna identify with...
 

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Posted by Taalcon (Member # 839) on :
 

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and these are kids' books

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Also, will we see more of Snape?

You always see a lot of Snape, because he is a gift of a character. I hesitate to say that I love him. [Audience member: I do]. You do? This is a very worrying thing. Are you thinking about Alan Rickman or about Snape? [Laughter]. Isn’t this life, though? I make this hero—Harry, obviously—and there he is on the screen, the perfect Harry, because Dan is very much as I imagine Harry, but who does every girl under the age of 15 fall in love with? Tom Felton as Draco Malfoy. Girls, stop going for the bad guy. Go for a nice man in the first place. It took me 35 years to learn that, but I am giving you that nugget free, right now, at the beginning of your love lives.

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What game is this?

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I think that they have a part of the others life force....that is what was implied, at least to me, when the connection between them was mentioned in the books.

So either they both die, or they continue to live.

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He looked rather like an old lion...

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Who the heck are we talking about?
 

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
"<the Hog's Head> was not at all like the Three Broomsticks, whose large bar gave an impression of gleaming warmth and cleanliness. The Hog's Head bar comprised of one small, dingy, and very dirty room that smelled strongly of something that might have been goats...

The barman sidled toward them out of the back room. He was a grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of long gray hair and beard. He was tall and thin and looked vaguely familiar to Harry"

from OotP, our Aberforth clue. I have no idea who the lionman is.
 

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Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
 
The dartboard is the vault number, behind the dartboard is the longer number.
 

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Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
 
I vaguely remember reading an interview where she said he was 150. I have no link. I may have imagined it.

Jen
 

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Oh that's right!!! I do remember that. And McGonagal is 80 or so. Definetely not as old as Flamel, and perhaps within a normal wizarding lifespan.

And it doesn't say that Dumbly worked on the Sorcerer's Stone, just that he was involved in Alchemy. I'm not sure that the two are one of the same.
 

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Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
I'll have to read the back of chocolate frog card again. I think it said something like "Albus Dumbledore worked closely with Nicolas Flamel, and is the only known maker of the Sorcerer's Stone" but maybe it said, "who is the only known maker of the Sorcerer's Stone." For whatever reason, I always thought that Dumbledore had a hand in it. Let me go look.

edit: ARGH. Okay, I mixed up what was on the chocolate frog card and what was in the book about Flamel. Oh well, at least that clears up a bunch of questions in my mind.

[ August 21, 2004, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: PSI Teleport ]
 

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Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
Dumbledore did. On the Chocolate Frog card Harry first opens on the train and the card he gets from Neville - "something, something only known creater of the philosopher's stone along with his partner Nicholas Flannel."

-Trevor
 

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Posted by PSI Teleport (Member # 5545) on :
 
No, I found it. The card says "his work on alchemy with his partner, Nicolas Flamel." The book says that Flamel is "the only known maker of the Sorcerer's Stone."

I wonder why it says "only known"?
 

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Posted by IvyGirl (Member # 6252) on :
 
I give up! What do you have to put in on the dartboard? ARG! Of course, I'm not very patient, but still!

Ivygirl
 

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
Vault 736
 

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Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
 
Try this:

http://www.twwn.net/temp/jkrdoor2.JPG
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Why such a difficult process for such a small bit of information? Unless that's the description of the half-blood prince...? Or maybe the next Defense Against the Dark Arts Professor?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 

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Vault 736

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Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 

 

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Posted by TMedina (Member # 6649) on :
 
PSI - possibly because anyone else who found a way to create a stone that gives unlimited wealth and eternal life was bright enough not to announce it to the world?

I assume it's an amazingly difficult thing to do, otherwise Voldemort would have simply made one for himself a long time ago.

Although that could be X-wing logic.

By the way - good call on the card. I don't have the book to check the reference - oops.

-Trevor
 

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