Did anyone else just see one of the defining moments of modern American culture???
Goodbye John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix!
Hello - corporate musak!
Congratulations!
You've just won the truth!!!
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
And when she came out, she blamed the band.
"They played the wrong song."
Heh. Heh. hahahahahahha
Oh Lord, Thank You.
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Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
It's only a quarter to ten where I am right now. I don't really watch SNL anymore, but now I'm going to have to just to find out what the deuce you're talking about.
Posted by Katarain (Member # 6659) on :
Umm... what happened?
-Katarain
Posted by Xaposert (Member # 1612) on :
Nothing much. The band played a song that was different from what she was singing, and they had to stop. I'm not sure how that defines anything.
Posted by Sean (Member # 689) on :
Except that she apparently decided to sing the same song they'd already performed, and managed to do so without moving her lips. Then she did a little dance and walked off, leaving the band to suffer alone until somebody mercifully cut off the segment.
It was pretty funny.
Posted by Chaeron (Member # 744) on :
It was great. If this incident fails to destroy her career, then music as we know it has been killed.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Um...who?
Posted by vwiggin (Member # 926) on :
Jessica Simpson's sister. Better known as Whatshername.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
I have NEVER before in my life seen anything like that on SNL.
She came out on stage. The band starts to play. She starts to dance. And then her lip synch track plays while SHE ISN'T SINGING!!!!
The band keeps playing. The Engineer fades out the lip synch track. She walks off stage with the bad still playing.
Fade to commercial.
Wowzers!
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
are there any online links to this clip? i don't do tv, but i'd like to see this.
Posted by gnixing (Member # 768) on :
i like how the band smirked and kept playing as she floundered. thanks for the extra links kat!
i never thought i'd say it but... you made my morning thor.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I saw that last night. I felt a lot worse for her before she blamed her band.
Love the additonal links kat!
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
If I wanted to see lipsincing I'd watch Hindi Movies. Mmmm Hindi movies Posted by Verily the Younger (Member # 6705) on :
Alas, I didn't get to see it. I got really tired and went to bed before SNL even came on. Oh well.
Posted by FoolishTook (Member # 5358) on :
Holy cow!
Does anyone else think the band was in on this? I mean, did they play the wrong song on purpose, perhaps to expose her?
If so, interesting...very interesting.
Posted by Goody Scrivener (Member # 6742) on :
OMG that was freaking hilarious. I wouldn't be surprised if the band did it on purpose, there was one guitarist with a big grin on his face when he was on camera.
Unfortunately, the apology link is giving me a "bandwidth exceeded" error... I'll have to try again another time. And I LOVE the remix!
Posted by Intelligence3 (Member # 6944) on :
I think the band was playing the right song, but the booth crew cued up the wrong lip-sync track. As near as I can tell, the band actually tried to cover for her by switching to the music that goes with the vocal track (does anyone here listen to Ashlee and can confirm that?). Basically, someone in the booth pressed the wrong button by accident or by design.
At any rate, I doubt her career is over. Is anyone surprised by lyp-sync any more?
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
quote: The funniest thing about that, though, is if she hadn't blamed the band, the producers could have just edited the performance out and pretended it didn't happen. I bet the only reason it made it to TV was so that people would know what she was talking about at the end.
It was live. Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
No, it was live. Tina Fey mentioned the Red Sox winning during Weekend Update and that had only happened maybe 5 minutes before.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Speed, I think you're thinking of Leno and Letterman. I believe SNL is usually live.
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
Isn't it Saturday Night LIVE ?
Posted by Phanto (Member # 5897) on :
Unless they had taped three versions! One for Red Sox, one for Cardinals and one for tie!
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I can't decide if I've become too cynical. Who actually thought that most of those girls DON'T lip sync? The same thing has happened to Hilary Duff and Jennifer Lopez before, but they didn't walk off the stage and sort of covered for it. Of course she lip syncs!! They all lip sync! If an actress decides to become a musician, my assumption is that they can't sing and have to lip sync to doctored tracks.
Posted by FoolishTook (Member # 5358) on :
I can understand the temptation to lip-sync live, because it's hard to hear your own vocals. That, plus nerves, makes it easy to go off-key.
However, it sort of takes away the point of doing a live performance if you're just pretending.
I don't know enough about Simpson's songs, so I can't tell if the band tried to change the song to compensate.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 433) on :
Watching even a few seconds of that was painful.
Hobbes Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
quote: I can understand the temptation to lip-sync live, because it's hard to hear your own vocals. That, plus nerves, makes it easy to go off-key.
If you want to be a singer, that's part of the territory. *shrug* If you don't want to be the center of attention, if you don't want to be on stage, get a job doing data entry in a bank or something.
Posted by Rappin' Ronnie Reagan (Member # 5626) on :
quote:Watching even a few seconds of that was painful.
Yeah, I agree. The dancing was quite painful to watch.
[ October 24, 2004, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Rappin' Ronnie Reagan ]
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Mmmmm, nope.
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
SNL is live.
Yo.
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
Wait, I think I know what's going on. Your profile says you live out west. I'm pretty sure you guys get it on a one or two hour tape delay.
ALternately, I've seen that same disclaimer on weeks when they don't have a new episode.
If it weren't live, Sineed O'Connor would have had a harder time with her career-ending stunt. Funny about that show . . .
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
You know, I wonder what percentage of their musical guests lip synch their songs.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
What stunt? Ripping up the Pope's picture?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I once spent an evening where a songwriter was premeiring a new CD. There were real singers doing the vocals live, but the intstraments were from the CD. That was okay - not great, but at least the performers were live. Then, one of the tracks was just the instraments with no vocals, and we were forced to sit for about six minutes group-listening to a CD.
Horribly boring, and the tackiest thing I'd ever had to sit through.
But yeah - don't they usually lip sync? Especially the actresses turned images?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:What stunt? Ripping up the Pope's picture?
I assume that's what he meant.
Dagonee
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
quote:I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me.
Not after calling me a smart-ass. Dipwad. Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
There's a web site already: http://www.lipsync.us/ Posted by Sopwith (Member # 4640) on :
I remember when SNL prided itself on NOT allowing lip-syncing. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote: I wouldn't be surprised if the band did it on purpose, there was one guitarist with a big grin on his face when he was on camera.
Don't you think that that setting up one's employer like that would be career suicide for a studio musician?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I don't think the band set her up, but I agree they are laughing. They just witnessed a car (vocal track playing), a train (the dancing), and a plane (wandering off stage) all crash into each other, and they probably knew what she should have done instead. They can think it's funny without being in on it.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Exactly. They're the real pros up there, and they handled the situation well. I'm sure that they did think it was funny, but it looked to me like their smiles to each other were acknowledgement both of the f'ed up nature of the situation and of appreciation for how they were bringing things around musically, and of confirmation that they were all on the same track as to what to do.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
It just keeps getting worse. Her web site has been flooded with criticisms, and she posted.
quote: Get your jabs in now 10/24/2004 8:00:55 PM - by Ashlee Simpson
Once i can get in contact with the webmaster, everythings getting deleted. It doesn't matter anyway, there's too many important people behind my career to stop it now.
The story and links are here.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
"I'm more famous than Je-- Um. . . Jesse Ventura!"
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
SaturdayNightLive has been taped and time-delayed ever since Sinead ripped the Pope's picture on air. So the director thought it was a good idea to air the segment. Which leads to the question about whether s/he also thought it would be a good idea, a "funny joke" to rerun the show's recording of Ashley's first song instead of the planned-for prerecorded drums.
[ October 25, 2004, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Saturday Night Live is live on the East Coast. It was live this Saturday on the East Coast - the mountain and pacific time zones are on tape delay.
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
As I said, SNL is not a simulcasting. It has been long been taped pre-broadcast for the time-delay allowing a director's cut. That the EastCoast television audience saw the "gaffe" was strictly a decision by the director.
[ October 25, 2004, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: aspectre ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Yes, it is broadcast live (except for a few taped segments such as the fake commercials). There were also two occasions when it was broadcast on a delay because of the reputations of the hosts. These were:
13 Dec 1975: Richard Pryor (7 second delay) 12 May 1990: Andrew Dice Clay (7 second delay)
quote:It is broadcast live from Studio 8H in Rockefeller Center at 11:30 p.m. on Saturday nights.
[ October 25, 2004, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Just a few things I found on a quick Y! Search...
quote:Subject: Is it really live?
Yes, it is broadcast live (except for a few taped segments such as the fake commercials). There were also two occasions when it was broadcast on a delay because of the reputations of the hosts. These were:
13 Dec 1975: Richard Pryor (7 second delay) 12 May 1990: Andrew Dice Clay (7 second delay)
quote:How To See a Saturday Night Live Taping
SNL has been a New York tradition for years, even though the cast no longer features Chase or Belushi, it's full of laughs. Difficulty: Average
Time Required: a few hours
Here's How: 1. There are currently no advance tickets available for Saturday Night Live for the 2002-2003 season.
2. For standby tickets, arrive no later than 7:00 a.m. on the morning of the taping, under the "NBC Studios" marquee at the 49th street entrance of 30 Rockefeller Plaza.
3. You may choose a stand-by ticket for either the 8:00 p.m. dress rehearsal or the 11:30 p.m. live show.
4. Only one ticket will be issued per person.
5. No one under the age of 16 will be admitted.
6. Stand-by tickets do not guarantee admission.
(My emphasis added)
quote:Transmission: The show is aired live! (well, thanks to Janet Jackson, it’s not quite live…) If you are watching NBC over the summer, it is a re-broadcast of an old show from the previous season. Comedy Central also re-broadcasts old shows since they bought the rights to the shows, but they are usually very old and in no particular order.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Carrie, where'd you get the last quote?
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
Hmm....I still don't quite believe it. I think it was rumored that they would, but didn't. I can't find any official source to confirm that it's on any delay, much less is taped well beforehand. I think that's Leno and Letterman.
quote: A spokesman for "Saturday Night Live" said he knew of no plans by the network to carry the April 10 show on a special tape-delay, as CBS did for the Grammys and ABC did for the Oscars as a precaution against unplanned vulgarities in the aftermath of Jackson's halftime show.
Posted by Intelligence3 (Member # 6944) on :
Spectre, care to give some documentation? I can find NO mention of this anywhere, every mention is that SNL is broadcast [i[live[/i] on the east coast and in the Midwest, then tape-delayed for Mountain and Pacific. I find it difficult to believe that a search for Saturday Night Live wouldn't be awash with references to the fact that it is no longer "live," and I've tried :
"Saturday Night Live" "not live" "Saturday Night Live" taped "Saturday Night Live" "pre-taped" "Saturday Night Live" "tape delay" "Saturday Night Live" delay "Saturday Night Live" "no longer live"
The tape delay search finds numerous hits on the fact that the Janet Jackson show was suspected to be tape-delayed, and numerous denials thereof, and I can't imagine that the links found thereby wouldn't mention the "fact" that SNL was always tape-delayed. In fact, most hits show only a few times that it has been delayed, and then only by a few seconds to prevent against the possibility of mishaps involving guests like Richard Pryor or Andrew Dice Clay
The ticket information is that you can attend an 8PM rehearsal or the 11:30 live show, and the 11:30 live show is broadcast time.
EDIT: Okay, I was a bit slow, there.
[ October 25, 2004, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: Intelligence3 ]
Posted by porcelain girl (Member # 1080) on :
too many important people, indeed. excluding herself, of course.
"milli vanilli never blamed their band."
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Once i can get in contact with the webmaster, everythings getting deleted. It doesn't matter anyway, there's too many important people behind my career to stop it now.
And now the remaining sympathy that I felt for her has evaporated entirely. My god, what an unplesant, juvenile person.
[ October 25, 2004, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Okay, I now feel bad for posting that. It might not have been her - someone hacked her site to make it appear to be a post from her, but the source code says it is a registered user instead of a host.
Posted by Sara Sasse (Member # 6804) on :
Thanks for the clarification (of ambiguity), katharina. It still is hard to hold out much sympathy for her.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I can sympathize with the urge to use a prerecorded track rather than perform live, although I don't agree with it. Blaming her band for the screw up is pretty awful, and causes most of my sympathy for her to evaporate. Nice to know that those may not have been her comments on the site though.
Posted by Tammy (Member # 4119) on :
I loved it!
I wish it would happen more because it's terribly entertaining. Live TV is great!
Posted by CStroman (Member # 6872) on :
On a side note, that was the best performance of her song I've heard so far. If only she would sing all of her songs that way. Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
What I don't get is why the SNL director let it go on for so long. Why didn't he/she cut to commerical as soon as the problem became apparent?
I'm glad that didn't happen -- because that was quite entertaining -- but I think in cases like these, both the network and the artist (not to mention his/her record label) would prefer a quick pull of the plug at the slightest sign of problems rather than a protracted exposure of what went wrong.
Or maybe not. After all, when was the last time there was this much water cooler talk about SNL?
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
Or about what's her name?
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
quote: Or about what's her name?
Uh, never?
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
quote:Or maybe not. After all, when was the last time there was this much water cooler talk about SNL?
Exactly. I expect that this kind of thing is as good as gold for SNL.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
For contrast, a story from another forum about another Little Sister Turned Singer:
quote:Solange [Knowles, Beyonce's little sister] had a similar experience happen with backing music only she wasn't lipsynching. She was singing with the prerecorded backing music and backing vocals(not a lead track, just the 'ooohs' and backing on the choruses, etc) at Beyonce's Pay-Per-View special from Detroit last year because she didn't have a band. The music started skipping horribly, and she sang a line, paused, repeated the line, then told the techies to stop the music. She laughed for a moment, said "Y'all hear that CD skipping?" to the audience, and then took a deep breath and finished the song acapella. She and her dancers even continued to do the dance steps to the song, perfectly in sync with one another, with no music whatsoever -- the audience started keeping time for her. Even if nobody bought her album she showed that she could think on her feet and handle an embarrassing situation like a professional.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Yeah -- she will recover from this just BECAUSE of all the publicity about it.
I mean -- I had never even heard of her before all this talk of this segment on the news today and here.
So she just got a huge boost across the country in name-recognition (even if it is recognition for something infamous)
Farmgirl
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
This whole situation amuses me to no end, especially because it was proof of what could be grained from watching the "Ashlee Simpson Show" (which shamefully, I saw one or two episodes of). Ms. Simpson is a little girl who wants to be a singer, and just happens to be the daughter of someone who can make it happen.
As for the delay thing, usually seven seconds is standard for radio. I never knew about the delay until my dad, a radio talk show host, informed me about it. It's just enough time for producers to bleep obscenities, which is rare enough.
As for retaping segments, even though a show like Jay Leno is not "live," what you see is what you get 99% of the time. I toured NBC studios in California last summer, and the workers told us that they only had to retape something ONE time. It was when a pop singer forgot the words to her own song. The performer? None other than Jessica Simpson.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Wel, I am pretty suprised that she put that on her website.
Not that she can't sing....
Kwea
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Well of all the bad luck! Turns out this was the first time she'd ever used a vocal track in a "live" performance! If that doesn't beat all!
quote:Oct. 25, 2004 | NEW YORK (AP) -- If Ashlee Simpson's stomach was upset Saturday night, imagine how she's feeling now. Busted for a "Saturday Night Live" lip-synch gone awry, her manager-father said Monday his 19-year-old daughter used the extra help because acid reflux disease had made her voice hoarse.
"Just like any artist in America, she has a backing track that she pushes so you don't have to hear her croak through a song on national television," Joe Simpson told Ryan Seacrest on Los Angeles radio station KIIS-FM. "No one wants to hear that."
He insisted it would be Ashlee's live voice alone during her appearance on NBC's "Radio Music Awards" Monday night.
And he said she's never used the extra help onstage before.
"The whole situation was a bummer," Ashlee Simpson said in an interview on MTV's "Total Request Live."
Simpson had performed her hit single "Pieces of Me" without incident earlier on "SNL." When she came back a second time, her band started playing and the first lines of her singing "Pieces of Me" could be heard again.
She was holding her microphone at her waist at the time. Simpson looked momentarily confused as the band plowed ahead with the song and the vocal was quickly silenced.
A flustered Simpson made some exaggerated hopping dance moves, then walked off the stage.
She told "TRL" that she and her band didn't know what to do. "I think all of us went into a state of shock," she said.
The incident exposed what many consider an obvious secret: that some singers who appear onstage aren't singing live at all, or at least have their voices augmented by backing tracks. And it's happened before on "Saturday Night Live," too, executive producer Lorne Michaels told the Associated Press.
"She was mortified and in her dressing room, but (producer) Marci (Klein) got her to come out for goodnights and explained that it wasn't the end of the world. It wasn't her fault," Michaels told AP Radio.
"Every artist that I know in this business has had vocal problems at some time -- from Celine on down," said Joe Simpson, also father of Jessica Simpson. "So you've got to do what you've got to do."
He said it was his decision to use the tapes when it became apparent that acid reflux disease had swollen Ashlee's vocal cords. After consulting Wayne Newton's doctor, she received a cortisone shot to get her ready for the "Radio Music Awards," he said.
It was the band's drummer who pushed the wrong button onstage, he said.
Michaels corroborated that, adding: "If she were a more seasoned performer then I think that she would've taken charge and said, `No, let's start this over again."'
To add to Ashlee's indignity Monday, eBay.com was auctioning off her private cell phone number, which it said had been inadvertently, and briefly, posted on her Web site.
[ October 26, 2004, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
They are still BLAMING THE DRUMMER??
The lip syncing is only part of that train wreck. The other part is her doing the cotton-eyed joe and wandering off stage, leaving her band to just keep playing.
I liked how her dad implied that Celine Dion did the same thing - and didn't mention his other daughter.
Her career will probably go on as before. That she was a manufactured musician was known already.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well, that explains why she turned around and looked at the drummer when that happened. I wondered about that...
FG
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
She's the lead singer - she's the leader of the band.
Waiting to be told what to do isn't very punk rawk.
Posted by MrSquicky (Member # 1802) on :
Poor kid. Gets her first chance to go on SNL and then damages her voice. In her position, I'd do the same thing, especially if I was going to get to be in some of the skits.
Yeah, she's being arrogant and self-important. Very few 19 year olds who had just suffered a crushing blow would handle it with much grace and combine that with the insane world of teen-pop princessdom she's in.
If you think this is a earth shatteringly bad thing for Music, I think you may want to get your significance meter checked. (Actually, now that I think about it, Thor having a broken significance meter explains a lot.)
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
Her excuse reminds me of a childish student complaining that she got busted the first/only/one time she ever "needed" to cheat on an assignment, despite knowing people who copy and get away with it every day.
With any luck, the whole incident will redefine "talent" in this country. If nothing else, this will open up fans' eyes to the manufacturing of an image, and premeditated pop.
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
I think people already know plenty about manufacturing an image.
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
My apologies to the sensible people out there who have known better, but I have seen posts on her official message board (mercifully unmoderated and periodically wiped in light of recent events) from people who said they enjoyed and respected Ms. Simpson, yet feel "betrayed' by the lip-synching incident. It's quite funny. In fact, if you've got time to kill, check out ashleesimpsonmusic.com Most of the comments are vulgar, but what some people have had to say is quite intelligent, or at least enlightening as far as being able to witness the malleabilty of certain consumers.
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 5818) on :
quote:Actually, she wasn't kidding. She was outed as a lip-syncer because her drummer hit the wrong button, according to various folk connected with the performance with whom we spoke yesterday, none of whom wanted his name anywhere near this column. Apparently the drummer's responsibilities included starting the backup track and there were two buttons he could push, one for the "Autobiography" track and, obviously, one for "Pieces of Me."
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