It's a medical drama but not like any of the others out there. The protagonist, Dr. House, is cantankerous, sarcastic, grumpy. He'll say whatever pops into his head. He hates staffing the walk-in clinic.
However, he is very good at finding the cause of unknown infectious diseases. His sense of humor is so cutting and sharp that you hate him the same time you're laughing.
Posted by Just another Dharma bum (Member # 6879) on :
Have you seen a screening of some sort for the show? How do you know??
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I'm watching it right now.
Well, it's on a commercial right at this MOMENT.
Nope, back on.
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
"Lies are the foundation of a good marriage."
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Posted by Raia (Member # 4700) on :
I don't have a TV.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I really hope they don't cancel that show... Every single time I like a show it gets cancelled or moved around so much I have no idea when it's even on. But, House is good. I like that guy. He's sacastic, intense, bitter and utterly cool.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
When I was first in the hospital, my friend was freaked out because there was an episode about a guy who had double vision, lost consciousness, etc. I have not seen the show, as i hate medical stuff, but I have heard it is excellent.
Did you see that episode, Mack?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Did anyone see last night's episode, who can tell me how that girl lost so much weight in one day? Did they project into the future or something, and therefore gove away the fact that the team stays intact?
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Well, do you really want to know how it ends?
Spoiler-
House is so cool. He suggested cutting the pay of him and his group. That big dude was not going for it, he was like, "Fire someone." I hope that hot girl doesn't leave. She's kinda hot.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I had a minor problem with last night's episode... In it, he talked to the "pregnant" woman about her kids, and how two brown eyed parents couldn't possibly produce blue eyed children. That was exactly backwards...two blue eyed parents couldn't possibly produce brown eyed children. That kinda bugged me.
Otherwise, it was a great episode as always. I missed almost all of AI though. Who got voted off tonight?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Synesthesia, I watched the show. After the girl is cured, there is a shot of her with the team, the young members, talking to her. This has to be a flash forward, thereby giving away the plot. Or did I miss something? Cuz no way that girl lost 80 pounds in a day.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I did not notice this The rabbit distracted me with his existence. (He's really cute)
Posted by Peter (Member # 4373) on :
"You wear a bikini?"
"Yeh, you got a problem with that."
"No, but I've never gone swimming with you"
That bluntness cracks me up!!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I was also very confused with the rapid weight loss of the kid.
His bluntness...I treasure it.
But what the crap is up with that boss? What's his PROBLEM?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
He is like an evil mind game player. Are there really like that in the hospital world? (I know there are in the education world)
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
He's such a goon. Bothering House over something as stupid as a jacket when House is the coolest.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I don't think House is cool at all. I like the show, but I would never, ever want him as my doctor. My husband had a Houselike doc when he was in excruciating pain with kidney stones. He was belittling and downright mean.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I liked when he risked his job to help that lady get a new heart.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I think House has much more heart than people give him credit. And he covers for it. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I like the show, obviously, I would just not want him as my doctor in real life.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I think I would.
I could use him now. I have the sinus whatever that won't go away.
I started a zpack last week. Finished it Saturday. Face/head still hurts. I'm still tired and under the weather. Headache that WILL NOT go away.
Daily regimen of Mucinex, Afrin (after three days off), Celebrex, Tylenol. Won't touch the headache.
I'm staying hydrated. I'm eating the right stuff.
Maybe House could solve it.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
He probably coulod solve it, Mack, after trying something that would almost kill you, and insulting you and all your loved ones. ha ha.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
That's what Nathan and my friend Sarah said last night! o_O
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I think they explain that it's a week later by the way they come in House's office for his answer as to he he'll fire and he says its been more then a week.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
dawnmaria, there is no way that girl lost eighty pounds in theat amount of time, either.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I like House and have been watching it regularly. (Just like I used to watch Medical Investigations). Dr. House is an interesting character. Ivygirl got me hooked on this show.
Farmgirl
(for those of you who only saw the one episode - you really kinda need the background on the on-going drama between the doctor and this hospital administrator (the guy who got the position just by giving the hospital 100 million) and a lot of things leading up to that. That part of the storyline continues going from week to week, while the patient part changes.)
[ March 31, 2005, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I occasionally catch this show, when Jim is watching it. I enjoy the episodes, but not enough to make an effort to catch the show (or tivo it). I must say, though, that it's AWFUL nice to see Robert Sean Leonard again. Oh, yes...very nice indeed. Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
I have SUCH A CRUSH on Dr. House. He's seriously The Man!
This show makes me cry, it's wonderful.
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Hey now, I was arguing that House DID care for his high risk patients. But when you have someone, who's kid brother is putting toys up his nose while he was "carefully paying attention and studying", it's hard not to be a bit blunt.
As for trying 50 some odd "cures" for whatever is afflicting the high risk patient, it does kind of annoy me that they can never get it right the first time (which isn't to say I'm a doctor and that doesn't happen, just as for TV stuff, it gets repetitive and annoying).
But really, House does care, in the doctor way, he just sidesteps the getting attached part the best he can.
"I mean, how would you like it if I got involved in YOUR personal life." "Ah, that is why I have cleverly avoided having any personal life."
He fights to save his patients, not just for a good track record, but because deep down he loves humanity and values life, he's just blunt about a lot of things because he needs to.
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
"dawnmaria, there is no way that girl lost eighty pounds in theat amount of time, either. "
Maybe not, but I lost 40 in a week when I was in the hospital with my mouth wired shut. When did they say how much she lost?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Did anyone watch tonight's episode? It was the first time I think anyone has actually died. So sad! When the husband was standing over his wife, I thought for sure she was going to gasp for air and be alive.
And as for last week. Dang, I really wanted him to kiss Cameron!
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Nope. Second time. Don't you remember the one with that poor homeless woman? I want Cameron to come back. I don't see why they could not have gotten rid of one of the pretty boys.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I remember that one, but I forgot that she died.
I am pretty sure Cameron will be back. There has to be a love interest, you know?
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
I really liked tonight's episode also. It was too much for my wife, though. She cried for over an hour... I had to show her an episode of Fawlty Towers to cheer her up.
I hope they bring Cameron back too. I wasn't buying the whole love story, but I really liked her character, and the team dynamic will likely suffer with only two people. I hope they keep Vogler as well. If they got rid of him for good tonight, I'll be disappointed. He brought some much needed continuity and conflict to the show that has really helped it rise above the weekly formula. Great villain.
There have been a couple bad spots, but on the whole I'm really happy about how this show has developed. Of course the highlight is still the excellent dialogue written for House. But I'm also liking the character development, the plots for the individual episodes and the overall story arc. Swell show.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Cameron will be back, my friends and I saw her in the back of one of the "Next Episode" clips. They couldn't get that by us!! Posted by Beanny (Member # 7109) on :
***Doesn't have foxTV***
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
The "next episode" clip they showed last night was for a rerun. If that's the one you're talking about, I don't know if it bodes too well. It won't do too much good to only have her back on the repeats.
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Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Speed, tell your wife I bawled my eyes out watching that episode.
I agree that I want to continue to hate Vogler. As for Cameron, hmm, now I have to go check their website!
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Vogler just seemed a bit TOO much the villain. And the love interest thing just squicked me out. I couldn't watch those parts.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I know something now, but do not want to spoil it for anyone else. If you would like this top secret information, email me at edob63@yahoo.com
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
That was a pretty emotional episode! I was surprised -- my kids were yelling at the characters as they were watching it.
And my son kept saying "this is crap, I'm going to quit watching it" - but then didn't budge a muscle and sat there watching to see what happened next. I take it that means it hit a nerve with him too.
FG
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I just finished watching last nights episode & all I could do was hold my baby & cry! Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Awwww
quote: The "next episode" clip they showed last night was for a rerun.
GAH! >.<
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Yeah, some of the parts with Vogler seemed forced, but the "why he's there" seemed very natural. I agree there needs to be SOME conflict outside the usual "mystery illness of the week" thing.
"This person is sick." "Hmmm... is it tuberculousis? Run a test!" "Test came back positive, it's TB." "Ha, that is where you are wrong, it is not TB." "How do you know?" "I'm a Doctor." "Then what is it?" "Hmmmm... is it Cancer?" "Should I run a test?" "Good idea." "Test came back negative, it's not cancer." "Run the test again. And check for menengitis while your at it." "Holy crap, it IS cancer." "Ha ha ha, I totally fooled you, it actually IS menengitis."
I actually do like the show, btw.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
T, you forgot about the giving of medicine which makes them almost die part.
Posted by Audeo (Member # 5130) on :
So is this show about a real doctor and clinic, or is it a scripted melodrama?
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
Darn it, Liz, I knew I forgot something.
It's a drama. Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Oddly, I don't get caught up in the drama. Just the comedy part.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Mack, that is how I was with Angela's Ashes. It was sad and all, but what I remember is laughing my behind off.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
If he does hook up with someone it has to be that chick in charge. She seems to like herself some House even though he's difficult.
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
Or that new--um, nevermind.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Please share, Theca!
Jeepers, I had only one taker for the spoiler I learned about.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Well, I think it is sad and pathetic that when i saw this headline on yahoo, I immediately thought of this show:
quote: If he does hook up with someone it has to be that chick in charge.
I though they had already "hooked up" at some previous time. Not on the current show, I mean, but the script is written to imply that House and that gal "have a history" of a relationship some time in the past. I can't remember the direct quote, but it was alluded to a couple episodes ago..
Farmgirl
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
House and the boss have a history together.
Liz, I asked for the spoiler and I got no spoils. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
You didn;t? Let me resend it. I don't have much.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So my daughter tells me that when I missed last night's House episode, that I missed the very best one of the season. Is that so? She sure seemed to think so.
Too bad I didn't have any blank tapes for her to record it for me....
Farmgirl
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
It's a repeat, but i bet you can snag it off bittorrent.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
I hadn't seen last night's episode, and my reaction was, "Hey! It's that kid from Joan of Arcadia! Cool!"
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I had not seen it before. It was obviously one of the earlier shows. I really liked it.
It made me realize that they haven't done many home break-ins lately. I hope they continue that trend.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
What? No one has commented anything on last night's episode?
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I saw it last night for the first time.
I didn't actually like it, but I'm wondering if y'all actually want to hear the list of why. I strongly suspect that I have lost the rhythm of television altogether, and definitely of medical shows.
Oh, okay, I'll put my list.
********SPOILERS - IT'S A LIST OF WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE - DON'T READ IF THAT'S UPSETTING*************
1. Who the crap is that drama queen in the lead? He informs parents of the medical status of their 12-year-old daughter by it tossing it over his shoulder as he flounces about angrily, and drops heavy and illegal hints. How dumb are the parents supposed to be?
It's one thing to have the classic rogue doctor who puts the patients above those pesky rules and budget considerations (who cares what other patients recieve worse care as a result - this one has her name in the credits.), but he's a doctor who is unbelievably rude to parents and patients as well.
The discussion with the little girl was horrendous. She IS twelve - congratulations on making sure this is indeed the worst experience of her life and on breaking the law by not reporting the criminal activity.
2. Speaking of - talk about sensational and predictable plotlines.
3. Since it is a tense show with little outside interaction, I understand that they needed to get a personal touch in there somehow. However, the segue from "We need to hire someone" to "You do this with women, and that's why you are unhappy" was so random it made me giggle.
4. Talk about your male fantasy. The beautiful woman will only come back to her subordinate employment position where I'm a jerk to all my employees if I agree to go on a genuine date with her.
Ah well. I probably shouldn't fault any show for the fantasy element. I watch Gilmore Girls.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
The show does have its issues, Kat, but it comes on after American Idol, and I am hooked.
Posted by Kent (Member # 7850) on :
I love House. I really was hoping that "half-Jewish" doctor would get hired. She was sassy and hot. Maybe the shoes were too uncomfortable.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I think he was afraid where the tip of those shoes might go if he were too much of a jerk.
Posted by TheMaker (Member # 7957) on :
I personally love the show (Intro song is very cool haha)... But at times it almost seems <u>too/u> scripted. There are some shows where they have good acting, and the things the characters say are what normal people would say and normal reactions.
House doesnt seem to do this.. Granted his wittiness is interesting, it's not very believable. One show I believe that shows this perfectly is Gilmore Girls. It's line after line of just sarcasm and quick and witter answers. I get sick of it after the first five minutes of hearing my sister watch it in the next room.
House is interesting, and I recommend it, but that's the only peeve I have with it.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Kat,
Both 3 and 4 are elements of the larger story arc and probably seem a little out of place/odd in the context of a single episode.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
3 I can see. 4 just means that the fantasy is embedded in the larger story arc.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
I'll give you that, but I think it is done in a pretty believable way. House actively tries to make people dislike him. He isn't nice to her and yet she is attracted to him anyway. She seems to know that he is trying to push everyone away and she doesn't buy his "I don't like people" act.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
quote:He isn't nice to her and yet she is attracted to him anyway.
That's exactly the fantasy part - that selfishness = strength and rudeness is a great way to secretly show your softer side. There are lots of people who attracted to people precisely because they treat them like crap, but it usually isn't for pretty reasons.
I'm just dissapointed that the only women on the show were (1) a slutty 12-year-old, (2) woman who is so unprofessional that she wears low-cut outfits at work, and (3) a doctor who willingly puts herself in a subordinate employment position only on the CONDITION that the boss dates her.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well..there was that half-Jewish gal that could throw the bites back at him as fast as he dished it out.
He did seem a little "meaner" in last night's episode -- meaning he had even more cruel, needless remarks than most previous episodes.
quote:2) woman who is so unprofessional that she wears low-cut outfits at work,
That part of the show just made me laugh. His comments to her as he held up the folder to block his view...
Of course, I watch it sheerly for entertainment, not because I expect it to be very believable or realistic. It just makes me laugh.
Farmgirl
[ May 04, 2005, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Farmgirl ]
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Exactly. It just makes me laugh.
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Fair enough. I see how you could get that impression from just seeing the one episode. I think, though, that you don't have the context that the show has given to their relationship. House isn't interested in showing his softer side. He really doesn't want anyone to know that he cares about anything other than solving obscure medical problems. The girl is attracted to his mind and also the challeng of making him admit he is a human.
I agree with you about being dissapointed with the level women play in the show though. The part that really jarred me in that way last night was the callousness of the nursing staff. It showed the one nurse as being completely dismissive of a case of life and death.
Posted by Kent (Member # 7850) on :
Nurses, sheesh.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
She has said (not in so many words) that she is attracted to him because he does what is right. And he seems to understand her, as well. Also, I think she kind of wishes she could say those things, but is too much of a nice girl.
I think she thinks that if she could just get under the hard shell, she'd find a soft, sweet middle. And so she is crushing on him. This really isn't all that out of the realm of reality.
Anyway, I do think that both last night's episode and the one with the pregnant woman who died were both cliched and I was pretty disappointed about both story lines. The pregnant woman's issue wasn't even a mystery, it was just a progression through a terminal illness. I was also extremely disappointed with how House reacted to the 12 yr old.
One thing I find unbelievable (though it was given credibility last night with that epidemic) is that the doctors are doing too many procedures themselves that I would expect nurses to be doing, even if the patient has a bizarre mystery illness.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
I think the reason we like it, and laugh is that usually House says what we all wish we could say.
With the boss woman who wore a low cut blouse - I've seen that in the work place. There was someone at my husband's work that dresses like that. She was good at her job, but the way she dressed was distracting. And there are guys that just wish they could say that to women in those kinds of positions. "Sure, you are capable and it doesn't bother me that a woman is my superior at work, but do I have to deal with trying to ignore your more womanly attributes at work?"
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Maybe I need to work with jerks to enjoy this show.
[ May 04, 2005, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
The difference between jerks and non-jerks is that the jerks have no boundaries and do say mean things. The writers of House have just managed to make it witty enough that some of us don't feel guilty about wanting to say those things.
It definately crossed the line last night though, Kat. I was very peeved.
Usually we get House telling off adults who are doing or thinking stupid things, not a child who was being molested.
My mom wishes House was her doctor though. At this point, she doesn't care how rude he would be as long as he figured out what is wrong with her. She recently acquired her medical records for another doctor. She made a copy to keep for herself. After reading them, she was furious. The previous doctor had spent a lot of time with her and been nice, and she had thought she was finally being listend to. Upon reading his report, she found that he had claimed diagnoses of a pre-existing condition he never looked at (and had it in the wrong place), had not written down several important symptoms she related, and had simply diagnosed her as depressed.
[ May 04, 2005, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Amka ]
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Hmm...that reminds me of something I thought last night.
5. There were many moments where the action stops that were meant to highlight the zingers, but they weren't actually zingers.
I did mention to Coccinelle last night that the action would stop while someone said something that obviously supposed to be clever, but it wasn't insightful enough to be worth the fanfare.
For this, I blame Hatrack (y'all have spoiled me) and, frankly, Gilmore Girls.
[ May 04, 2005, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: katharina ]
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
"(1) a slutty 12-year-old,"
WHAT??? How is being molested by your adult coach being slutty??? This is something called "grooming," and it is sick child molestation. I missed a few minuts at the end, but isn't that the story?
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
It never really addressed who the father was. I was assuming they would point to the coach, but there were other boys on the swim team who were avoiding her for an unknown reason. It could have been any of them, though I think the most likely one was still the coach, but she never told House.
Posted by Amka (Member # 690) on :
I'm not sure they ever said who it was, except that the only male swimmers were 16 and older. It certainly could have been the coach, though. Either way, it would have been molestation because of the age difference.
[ May 04, 2005, 02:37 PM: Message edited by: Amka ]
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I'm not sure if the girl was molested by her coach. There were male members of the team, House pointed out how none of them visited her in the hospital, because they were uncomfortable. Apparently, it must have been some sort of freaky group sex thing, consential, but she's twelve and too young to consent.
But, as for the hot chick falling for House, WHY?? He's scruggy. He doesn't shave, sure he has nice yes, but he still doesn't SHAVE. I kind of wanted him to hire the hot half jewish chick because she was so hot, maybe they should have two hot women, one sarcastic, the other sweet in addition to the pretty boys.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
Elizabeth, I'm sorry. I should clarify. I didn't mean the fact that she was pregnant, or that she had been molested. In order to make the "House smacks down the idiot" scene to 12-year-old less odious (attempt unsucessful), they had the 12-year-old talk about how she wanted everything that had happened. They gave her some culpability in order to justify her as the object of House's dissaproval.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Oh. I just read the synopsis. Hmm. I really assumed it was the coach. Didn;t she always have her own room or something when they travelled? He could not inform the parents of the pregnancy, but if he did not report sexual abuse, he could lose his job. He is a mandated reporter. I think that would supercede the no tell law. I think it was one of those things where I assumed it was the coach because they had him rubbing her back at the beginning, and because I had seen a movie recently based on a true story. It is, sadly, not so rare a thing as it shuld be. Ew.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
I think House just puts things in grim reality, as he did with the twelve year old. She WAS being groomed, and the claims she made are often made by kids in her position. So House used her own POV and twisted it so that she could see his side, even through the misconceptions of her own.
And with the coach rubbing her back and all those significant but seemingly needless shots of her coach, I think it was the coach. *shrug* Not that it matters much either way. She was a molested kid. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Good points, Mack.
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
I recognize that I am not the audience for this show, and I doubt that will change. So, some ruminations.
The central conceit is that this guy is rude, vindictive, and a jerk, but he's still the hero because he is a fabulous diagnostician. That's essentially flawed. From what I've read, it seems that diagnosing requires a multitude of variables, including openness from the patient and careful sharing of information. A hostile, freaked-out envioronment headed by an egomaniac would not be the best setting for either of the above.
In other words, how good can you be at gathering information when no one wants to talk to you?
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Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Well I think he was fairly nice to the girl up until the point that he figured out what was wrong.
which, in a way, reminded me of the time I worked as a helper in a hospital emergency room (while training for my EMT). This one kid came in that had taken a whole bottle of pills in a lame attempt at suicide.
The doctor I worked with was extremely rough with the kid -- made the ordeal of pumping his stomach a very unpleasant experience, etc. I asked the doc about it later - because it was unlike the way I had seen him treat others before. He said, "You want to make it so unpleasant that they never want to try that or go down that road again."
So I thought House was just kind of driving his point home, in a very unpleasant way, with her in order to get her young brain to realize the seriousness of what had happened. So she would think many many time about not letting it happen again.
Farmgirl
Posted by katharina (Member # 827) on :
*wrinkles nose* I think that's reaching. I mean, to prevent it from happening again, I don't think the girl is the one that needs to be spoken to.
Okay, one last comment, and I'm done.
This just occurred to me. Crusty, clever, but brilliant doctor + humanity - abuse of power male fantasy = Dr. Cox. Watch Scrubs.
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Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
quote: don't think the girl is the one that needs to be spoken to.
FWIW - I agree with you on that point, Kat.
And I was absolutely shocked that he didn't tell the parents and how rude he was to them, when they were clueless. THAT would never happen in real life and a doctor get away with it.
The " she's just sick with something that's a really big word, but she'll get over it" was so condenscending that at that point, I wanted to hit him....as a parent.
Farmgirl
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Actually, as someone who has been strapped due to HIPAA, it was a pretty good way of toeing the line of legality. He couldn't tell them what was wrong, but he couldn't NOT tell them what was wrong. Legally, he couldn't tell them about the pregnancy. But he COULD tell them about the illness. Except the illness's full name contains pregnancy, so he could only use the acronym. The way he spoke with them 1. pissed them off 2. made them curious and if they're good parents, they WOULD google it or find someone who knew what it stood for.
Toeing the line.
It's a hard hard bind he was in, and I didn't envy him one bit.
The kid didn't need chastising, obviously the molestor did. However, she did need a reality check. While I don't condone his methods--his point was made. Her own misconceptions would have to be changed as well, so that she wouldn't become the victim again. If she continued to believe she was an adult and wanted it, she would continue in a victim's mindset. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Grooming is a scary and more-common-than-you'd-think thing.
When I was in sixth grade, I was in love with my sixth grade teacher, to the exclusion of any other boys.
A couple of years later, my grandmother told me that he had "run away" with a girl a year younger than me, whom I had been friends with. She was a speed skater, and he was coaching her. She was in love with him, or thought so, and was agreeable to everything. I often wonder what she thinks of that now. She was fourteen at the time, I think probably twelve or thirteen when it started. He was married. The parents had total trust in him.
It seems to happen most often in individual sports. Swimming, gymnastics.
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
What did everyone think of last night's episode? I think it was the best one yet! I love him even more now that I know the back history. I guess I am like Cameron though, wanting to "fix" him and make it all better. Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
It was a great episode, especially Carmen Electra (j/k). I loved learning hiow he got the limp, a great way to introduce a new character to the show.
Posted by Eaquae Legit (Member # 3063) on :
I forgot last week to post and comment how delighted I was to see Christina Cox again. And when I looked her up on IMDB it seems that I've missed her in any number of bit roles. Hmm. Oh well, still delighted.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I agree that that was the best episode of the season. Loved it. It cracked me up when the students said, "Why is she in her underwear?"
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I loved this episode. Loved it. I cried a few times. My favorite line was "You said a five minute break, and it has been six minutes already."
Posted by Faire (Member # 8065) on :
I was really excited to see Andrew Keagen again. Where did that guy go. Also, he looks exactly the same way he did when I was 9, so he seems to have gone to a cryogenics lab or something.
It was a really great episode, though. Very funny, and very sad, and it gave great insight into House.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
It *was* a really good episode. I was glued. I was still thinking about it this morning, so I figure it must have been enough to catch my attention. The only thing I didn't really get was why he was so stubborn about the leg, about not being willing to let it be amputated.
Posted by Speed (Member # 5162) on :
You people are really irritating me. I had to work on Tuesday night, so I set my VCR to tape House. But someone moved out next door, and when the cable people went over to disconnect their service, they got ours instead. We were without cable for what looks like the exact wrong 18 hours. So, since I live in a basement with no regular reception, all I taped was an hour of static. And now I come here and everyone insists on rubbing it in.
Well, at least they didn't interrupt 24. I guess I'll have to wait for rerun season to fit in with the cool crowd now. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Well, Speed, the slast episode of the season s a continuation of this one, so at least you will have something of our coolness.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
This was also my favorite episode -- not just because it was riveting and emotional and told a background -- but because it showed just how hard it really is to be a doctor -- not all your decisions are going to be the right ones. It isn't possible to be perfect. It showed how difficult it is in the diagnostic arena. Just gave a great deal of insight into how the medical mind has to "think" of hundreds of different details at once.
I hold doctors in high admiration for being willing to make those kinds of decisions.
I pointed out to Ivygirl that since she plans to be a vet - she will have some of the same dilemmas -- where her diagnosis might be wrong, or the patient have a reaction to the treatment, etc. She is relieved that it won't be human lives on the line in her hands, although she realizes the value of some pets and livestock is also of high importance. FG
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
I watched it last night. I was impressed, I really liked it. Such an interesting way to do the episode. And it DID remind me of an active ER, where all the difficult cases come at once or you get three patients in a row that all look identical, but aren't, and you have to think on your feet and switch from case to case to case. I saved it to watch again, I was pretty tired and some of the patient switches were confusing to me.
I didn't really believe a lot of the latter half of the House case, it didn't make medical sense to me, nor how that leads to his chronic pain NOW. But I can suspend my disbelief pretty well for that show. I'm kinda used to it.
Yes, the parts about how doctors aren't perfect and will sometimes make wrong choices is important. They probably don't talk about that enough in training. Harming someone has been MY deepest fear and I have struggled very hard with fear and guilt over the years. It doesn't necessarily get that much easier with time.
[ May 20, 2005, 01:46 AM: Message edited by: Theca ]
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
((Theca))
How many years have you been a doctor now?
You have my deepest admiration.
FG
Posted by Theca (Member # 1629) on :
I've been an MD for almost 7 years? Three years of residency and almost four years in practice. Really, I'm just one of those people who probably should have picked a less responsible job. I LIKE following directions and making people happy. I snorted when I heard House say something about how if you can't accept making mistakes and accept consequences then pick another field. (I think he said something like that) I wonder if I would have taken the warning seriously if someone had sat me down and talked to me seriously about the decision making responsibilities. Probably not.
Posted by Alucard... (Member # 4924) on :
I think House is the best show on TV right now. I love it, but I thought this episode with the Three Patients was the best yet. The first half was almost surreal, a candid look into the mind of House. I too cried in a few spots. I would like to believe that after his inital visit with his ex-wife, he was much more emotionally vulnerable than he realized, and basically sat there improvising his lecture and revealed more about himself than he ever intended. It was a very magical way of letting us inside the mind of House. Bravo.
But the biggest question I wrestled with is with the 3rd patient, the seeker: Was House planning on being that patient from the start of his lecture, or was he just winging it, and he eventually transformed his own case into that patient? If he planned the whole lecture around himself, that is brilliant and cold, but if it just sort of turned out that way (which I believe it did), then I think we had a chance to see House in an uncharacteristically emotional and vulnerable state.
I have several HS students job-shadow me every year, and every student gets a different version. I am very afraid of what my next one might be like after watching that episode.
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
I liked the last episode a lot. I hadn't been that enthused about the show, it seemed ok but I thought it wouldn't get renewed so I didn't bother watching it much.
But the latest episode changed my mind. The plotting was very polished--House's character was rounded out nicely, there was the ongoing conflict with the ex-wife, and the diagnostic lecture with it's morbid humor and tasty surrealism, the medicine meshed perfectly with the plot . . .and all in a one-hour show. I was very impressed.
Also, the show will live or die on the charisma of the title character, and the actor playing House showed plenty of charisma to me. I'll watch it more regularly now. Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
Good episode! But tell me, am I the only one that thinks Cameron's little comment seemed too desperate? "I thought you couldn't love, you just couldn't love me." She's a smart, atractive woman. Why does she have to act so pathetic? I do think House has feelings for her somewhere in that mess of a heart but her acting so desperate isn't going to bring them to the surface. I think next season is going to be very interesting w/ Sela Ward around. This turned out to be one of my favorite shows along with Gray's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Dawnmaria, I did think her comment was desperate, and passive aggressive. She is smitten, though.
Yes, Sela Ward will put a whole new spin o the show! I loved the ending, with the little snip in his apartment(I love his apartment!). He is so going to try to get her back.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Oddly, I hope House runs off with the hot young doctor. She's oozing with sweetness and won't say things like, "I still love you, but I can't be with you." Which just makes me want to sing u-2.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
quote:Originally posted by dawnmaria: Good episode! But tell me, am I the only one that thinks Cameron's little comment seemed too desperate? "I thought you couldn't love, you just couldn't love me." She's a smart, atractive woman. Why does she have to act so pathetic?
I think it's because one of the truisms of TV drama: a woman cannot be truly happy unless she's in a relationship, so if she's not in one, she MUST pine after the male lead (or one of the secondary male characters). (Notice we know nothing about the other two young docs' love lives or lack thereof.)
Still, I enjoyed the episode. This is going to have to replace Joan of Arcadia in my small rotation of shows that I'll actually watch.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
I really didn't like this episode as well as the previous week. House was just too emotional to be involved in this case at all -- and I guess in the back of my mind the whole time I was thinking "no real hospital would let a doctor on a case that had this much emotional involvement for him" -- so it quit being realistic to me early on in this episode.
And the whole scene with him defying his peers and sending the guy into an attack just to get a urine sample -- that would just never really happen. And he would never do to that guy (go against his wishes) what was done to him (when she went against his wishes on the leg).
Sure, in the end, it always proves out that he is right, which is why he never suffers any backlash for his rogue ways -- but still, there were many ethics lines crossed there.
Farmgirl (but not enough to keep me from watching it each week!) Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Okay -- I guess I'm the only one keeping this thread alive week to week, and it takes me forever to locate this thread again each time, but..whatever...
Last night -- are we into season reruns yet? I had not seen this episode before - but thought maybe I had just missed it earlier on since I thought summer time starts reruns.
I really liked the ending last night. And the way the guy (patient) really pegged Dr. House about his work being his obsession -- all he has. It was good.
FG
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Farmgirl, last week was the season finale. I was so deflated from no American Idol that I forgot to wacth and see if there was a House episode I had missed.
I am so sorry to let you down, and to let down the thread! ha ha.
Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
I watched Dead Poet Society today. I THOUGHT that one of the main characters teens looked like Dr. Wilson on House. I was right. The kid he played then didn't want to go to medical school so now he plays a doctor, of course.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Of course!
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I really like this show, but I'm always waiting for Hugh Laurie to go into Blackadder mode. It's hard to take him seriously as a doctor.
Has anyone been watching the second series of this? (It isn't on tv here yet.) Is it still good?
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Yes. It's very good.
And, I'm no longer just watching it for Robert Sean Leonard (Dr. Wilson).
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Weird, Mack. I was going to respond to Theaca's comment. In fact, I thought I had. And what i was going to say was: "Of course!"
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
It's excellent. The week before last was a fantastic episode. I laughed so freaking hard. Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I am not watching anymore, after the plot twist of Sela Ward.
Too much. i don;t buy it. It's "My Name is Earl" and "The Office" for me, though I do switch back and forth.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Ryan Hurst on House.
Yay!
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
I adore House. He's so tortured. And Wilson gets better every week.
Ni!
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Anyone catch last night's episode? Am I the only one who thought it was just plain strange? I mean, okay, a married couple has an interesting sex life, so that must mean the wife secretly wants him dead? And no explanation why? That's what happens in real life, not on TV. You're supposed to tell us why she did it. And then the thing with the guy with herpes. I still don't get that...so he was cheating? Or she was? Or neither were, and House played very effective head games on them both? Also, I could be wrong, but I've never heard that a side effect of herpes is that you can't pee. Enlarged prostate, yes, herpes, no.
Very lackluster episode to end weeks of being usurped by AI. Though I really like Samantha Mathis and enjoyed seeing her on the show.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
The wife said early on that everyone is living a fantasy or a lie (I don't remember her exact wording). I'm assuming that she didn't really love him and couldn't deal with the truth of that.
I agree on the herpes thing. The encounter in Cuddy's office at the end happened so fast that it almost made my head spin.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
Didn't find it on last night. I thought maybe they had cancelled the series!
Glad to hear it's still around.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Glad you both said what you said, jeniwren and Jon Boy. I missed a bit when my husband came home, and I was flummoxed at the end. So, what did she kill him with? Gold? How? Did it have to do with the sex play, or id she just feed it to him? Also, the Holmes-Watson thing is getting entrenched, with House keeping his pal in the apartment because he can cook. Ha ha. I loved that part of the show last night.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
This was my first episode of House, so I might not have got anything right. But I got the impression because of what the wife said at the beginning that she had pretended to be into S&M because she was in love with him and later realized that she didn't like it, and didn't know how to get out.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
It was never really clear why she did it, but the gold was fed to him.
Posted by The Fae-Ray (Member # 9260) on :
Funnest thing to do with that show is to switch back and forth from it to Blackadder (preferably the fourth) and watch how different he is in each show. If you haven't seen Hugh Laurie in Blackadder, well, he's the complete opposite of House.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I thought the exchange where the husband told the wife he loved her, but she replied "I know." was creepy. Not her reply, but his way of pursuading her to reply that she loved him. "Don't make me hurt you." Yick. I got the impression he only said it because he really needed to hear back that she loved him. And that it was a role they played with each other where at least one of them was tired of playing but that they didn't feel like they could say so. So you kill him instead? I dunno. I understand not wanting to be spoonfed every little detail, but I think they went a little too vague last night.
I don't remember when the wife said that she pretended to be into S&M but really wasn't. And that doesn't really fit with her setting up a threesome as an anniversary present. Weird.
And I'm irritated because I DVR House and for no reason I can figure out, it only saved the first five minutes. So I can't go back and watch it again to see what I might have missed the first go through. *grumble* Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
She didn't say it. But she told the girl early on that marriages fell apart because one member pretended to be something they weren't so the other member would love them, and then got stuck in the pretense. That's what gave me that impression.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I had no idea a person could be poisoned with gold... *thinks of the bible* I don't know why she couldn't just say, "I am sorry honey, but I no longer want to have kinky S and M sex but instead I want to have plain vanilla sex from now on. If he had loved her he would have just agreed. So that was vaguely dippy.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Not great, I agree. Seemed a little like what I DON'T like about CSI (the implausibility, mostly). And poisoning your husband with gold because you don't like your sex life and can't speak up about is just crazy-- and I thought making his least favorite meal for dinner all week was passive aggressive.
It was definitely not up to form. Let's have some more weird diseases and less weird scenarios/people.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Syn, not necessarily true. Some people can't perform without certain "events" occurring. So, it might have to be: I love you, so we won't have sex.
Posted by SC Carver (Member # 8173) on :
Agreed the main story line was left unresolved.
I think the Man gave his wife herpes since she left no room for doubt that she could have got it from a toilet seat, but did. In effect saying hey maybe I did give you herpes, but it wasn't my fault I got it from a toilet seat. Plus she gets mad, takes off her ring and throws it at him. Then he turns to House and says "thanks a lot"
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
Did anyone notice that the dad in this week's episode was Alex from "The Last Starfighter"? It made feel very old to see him that age!
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Wow, really? I didn't notice.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
The girl was Dawn from Buffy!
I thought this episode was a HUGE improvement over last week. And how funny are Wilson and House?
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Last night's episode was really interesting in some ways and boring in others. SPOILERS follow.
The case was irritating and I didn't really care about either of the people involved. Insomnia Girl had no personality. I seriously can't imagine being so passive I was willing to let a doctor do a 6' colonoscopy without any pain control. And the last part where the partner revealed her big secret was a total repeat of the episode where Supermodel Jailbait admitted to seducing her father.
This episode was about Cameron, and I really appreciate that they are really growing her as a character. The best parts of the show were where her dark side was coming out, where she just let it rip. I loved her retort back to House about his keen insights into the finer psychology of lesbian relationships. And her willingness to say that he was right after all.
The last scene was what I think has probably happened in a zillion business offices all over the world, but with more honesty. It's an illustration of two diametrically opposed world views that are nonetheless complementary and necessary in team environments. Generally speaking. There are those are like Cameron, people who concentrate on the relationship. And there are those like Foreman who concentrate mainly on the task, goal or accomplishment. Both are needed on a team for balance, but they have to recognize their individual strengths to really mesh properly. The last scene last night was the first step to that understanding, I think. My hope is that the writers will take it to the next step, where Foreman gets a smack in the face for being too focused on personal acheivement. And that Cameron is the one to help him through it. Not as a friend, but as a colleague working to make the team better.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Tonight's episode of House creeped me out.
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
Yeah, I thought it was pretty weak. But they've had some good ones recently, so I'm willing to let one slip.
Posted by kwsni (Member # 1831) on :
The most fun isn't so much the medical stuff, but watching House react to people around him. I LOVED him wiht Foreman this week.
Ni!
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
"He injected him with what!?"
--My reaction to Chase saying he should have given the baby more polystyrene. Polystyrene is, of course, often sold under the brand name styrofoam. But I looked it up, and it turns out polystyrene really is a drug used to lower potassium (presumably not given in a solid foam form). You learn something new every day.
Edit to add: and actually, it would have been swallowed. If it were IV, then the lack of absorption by the intestine wouldn't have been a problem.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
So, did the baby die because of the gluten in the medicine?(I realize he had been oxygen deprived from the smothering)
Syn, I was not creeped out so much as heartbroken. What a sad story, with no happy ending anywhere in sight.
Actually, I was really creeped out as well, come to think of it...
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Things that involve dying or sick babies alarm me and make me unhappy.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I'm curious about Chase. I was laughing at the thought of House watching the L word on mute. I was really affected by the poor mother's reaction to her baby's death. I wished the writers had just let Foreman be nice and easy going for more than one episode, but twas not to be.
Those are my impressions.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
I thought it was a weak episode as I couldn't suspend my disbelief that Chase HAPPENED to be working in the NCIU when a case which convienently involved both the NCIU and House's patient came in.
What's up with Cuddy wanting a babydaddy? That seemed to come out of the blue.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
It was sort of an odd episode. I don't quite know what to make of it, but it was hard to watch while holding a month-old baby.
Posted by collissimon (Member # 9346) on :
Darned it! We're a bit behind when it comes to US TV, so we're only halfway through the second series of House here.
It's great though, and Hugh Laurie does a really credible American accent, which is pretty surprising!
I've been watching it a while, but do you find it's a tad formulaic? I really enjoying it every week, but it is pretty much the same format!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: It was sort of an odd episode. I don't quite know what to make of it, but it was hard to watch while holding a month-old baby.
Oh, Jon Boy, I have an eleven year-old and a nine year-old, and I went right back in time to the infant-holding moments when I was watching that show. I would have been emotionally crushed like a grape.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Hmmm, I'm beginning to be glad I missed that one...
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
After reading the synopsis, I'm very glad I missed it.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
You probably are, kq. It wasn't a good episode for a new mom, freshly post-partum.
Kristin, I didn't have a problem with suspension of disbelief with Chase just happening to be in the NICU when..you know. The mom didn't become House's patient right away. I thought I heard Cameron say that she came through Chase's referral. As her illness wasn't apparently life threatening, I don't know that she would have been referred to House at first without Chase's influence.
Overall, I just thought it was a very sad episode, including Cutty's pursuit to be a mommy.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Even if it's somewhat formulaic, the zingers change each week.
"Idiots are fun! That's why every village wants one."
I actually found Foreman MORE irritating in his happy-go-lucky phase.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
As a person who has a mild form of celiac disease, I was pretty alarmed at all the complications that were said to result. If I get too much gluten in my diet (from wheat or most other grains), it can give me diarrhea and make me itch. But I can tolerate a little wheat in my diet now and then. I have heard of some people who are so sensitive they have an extreme reaction to the slightest amount of gluten.
Gluten intolerance is not like being allergic. It does not trigger a histaminic reaction, it triggers an auto-immune response reaction, where white cells for some reason begin to attack cells of the intestinal lining. (They call it celiac disease because the celia on the intestinal lining are the first to be damaged; checking for this damage to the celia is the definitive test to verify the condition.) A lot of people have a gluten intolerance without realizing it, and never find out unless it gets worse. Even then, doctors can easily fail to diagnose it. My sister had to be hospitalized a number of years ago with dehydration caused by frequent diarrhea, and doctor after doctor failed to find the problem, until one young doctor happened to hear about it and happened to think of "sprue," which is a form of celiac disease.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Foreman was definitely more annoying. His happiness just felt fake.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
I don't know that it felt so much fake as manic. I knew a guy when I was in my 20's who had colon cancer. He was really young (30something) and it was caught fairly late. His prognosis was pretty grim. When he went into remission, he became unbearably happy, it was unreal. His energy was manic, almost desperate. He had been annoying before he got cancer, and while he was battling it, he actually became more fun to be around, more responsible I guess. But then he went into remission, and he was worse than before. His energy was negative side of that song "Live Like You Were Dying". He did stuff that bordered on (and sometimes crossed over into) socially unacceptable. It lasted for about 8 months, the length of his remission.
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Perhaps the reason the episode rang insincere to me was because I'm not a parent and I don't want kids so the themes didn't resonate
Only two more episodes left---what am I going to do without my House?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Cry in the corner for an house.
Someone at my fencing club was just diagnosed with Celiac disease. Apparently you can have different degrees of sensitivity. o_O
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I am sooo tired of the switcharoo game they play at the beginning of every episode. When we see somebody acting sick at the beginning of an episode, we know they aren't really sick, because they "trick" us every. single. time.
I too watched this episode while holding my baby. I had flasbacks to when he was in the hospital and almost died for lack of oxygen. Ick.
Posted by hansenj (Member # 4034) on :
I just started watching this show because it came on after American Idol. However, I also watch Gilmore Girls (we record it while watching American Idol), so this week I only caught the opening scene of House before I started watching Gilmore Girls, and the baby in the tub was enough to give me a nightmare that night. I'm not even a mommy yet, and I couldn't handle the traumatizing baby stuff of this episode (I watched the rest of it the next day).
I agree that the show seems to be quite formulaic. But the script is so dang good that it makes up for it.
"Don't make me use the N-word."
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: So, did the baby die because of the gluten in the medicine?(I realize he had been oxygen deprived from the smothering)
No, the gluten didn't kill the baby. It just prevented the baby's body from being able to absorb the polystyrene, which would have lowered the potassium, which might have prevented the heart attack. Which might possibly have given the baby enough time for its organs to heal a bit, but might not have.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narnia: I was laughing at the thought of House watching the L word on mute.
Clearly not an L Word fan, or he would have realized how deadly boring the show would be on mute.
Oh, and it was interesting how House threw the "kissing a nine year old" thing in Chase's face. I like when they remember things that happened in earlier eps.
Posted by ClaudiaTherese (Member # 923) on :
(Rather tangential FYI re: "celiac" etymology --
There might be some confusion with "cilia/cilium," which are microtubular organelles that propel, and "villus/villi," which are the tiny fingerlike projections along the intestinal wall that become blunted in celiac disease, thus massively decreasing the total absorptive surface area. Blunted villi are checked for on biopsy for definitive diagnosis of celiac disease.
"Celiac" (or "coeliac") just means "of the abdomen.")
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Thanks, Claudia--it looks like you have it right. I assumed Celiac comes from cilia. But if that were the case, it should be spelled Ciliac Disease. Who would think of the latin meaning of celiac (coeliac)? We probably were told "villi," and after a short time came to misremember it as cilia.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I KNEW Cuddy was going to end up asking House to be the donor...now, the question is, what will he say?
I was not pleased with the preview for next week's show. They always have to shoot someone in a season finale, it gets annoying.
Favorite line: "I'm scared. Hold me!" Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I thought his answer "Someone you like" was great. But I felt so bad for her when she came in to see him towards the end and was too embarrassed to say anything. He's seriously letting her twist in the wind, isn't he.
As far as the previews are concerned, quite frankly, House slugging Wilson was a lot more shocking than House getting shot. I'm only surprised he hasn't been shot before.
And... he lied. To spare his friend's feelings. It's not the first time he's done something fundamentally human. He reminds me a little bit of Sawyer, on Lost. So determined to make people hate him and to convince them that he's a sonuvabitch. Terrified that someone might actually see the softie inside.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
sL, I thought his lie about the paternity was really more manipulation, with two purposes: to support his friend, who was going to believe he was the father anyway, and to make the girl treat her 'father' like something better than a mere mark.
I want Cuddy to choose Wilson. That would make for very interesting background noise.
And I agree with you that it's only surprising that House hasn't been shot before.
My favorite part of the episode was the return of D.B. Sweeney into my life (it's all about me ). Gosh, that man has not aged well. I haven't seen him in anything for ages. But I enjoyed him...he played a great dupe.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Where is he from?
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
He's from The Cutting Edge.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I'm not sure what that is.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
That ice skating movie, and WOW. I didn't realize that was him. He was all hippy and frowsy during this episode.
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
It's a girly ice skating movie from the 90's. It had Moira Kelley in it as a diva pairs skater without a partner. Sweeney plays a former hockey player with a blind side who switches to figure skating when offered a chance as her partner. It's full of wonderful one liners as they fight through 90% of the movie. It's a great background noise movie to put on while you're scrapbooking or cleaning house. Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
Toooeee pick! Heh...I don't know why I like that movie. It's so cheesy, and yet I can't help watching it when it comes on.
I didn't recognize Sweeney either. Even after my fiancee pointed him out. Anyone else think he's a little Keanu Reevish?
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
This night's episode was totally ruined for me as it pretty much stole the plot of Alex Garland's Coma. Influences are cool, but this was almost a 1:1 correspondence. I guessed what was happening after the first commercial break because I finally figured out where my deja vu was coming from.
That being said, cool cliff-hanger! And thank you Fox for providing us with House this summer.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Reminded me of that episode of teh Sopranos, but it was really cool.. but, eeeeeeeeee, that one part. eeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Syn, I agree! Sopranos' rip-off, and not done a fourth as well.
Still, a neat premise.
Posted by Brinestone (Member # 5755) on :
We missed it! Ack! Is there a summary somewhere? And what do you mean by "providing us with House this summer"? Can you be more specific?
Posted by Baron Samedi (Member # 9175) on :
worst. episode. ever.
Seriously, I hate to be a Comic Book Guy, but I've straight up never been that disappointed by an episode of House. Not only was was it a cop-out and a waste of time, but it didn't even have the clever dialogue that can partly redeem otherwise sub-par episodes. It was dull and uninteresting, and ended like some M. Night Shyamalan shaggy dog nightmare. I kept wanting to give it the benefit of the doubt, but when I realized that the only reason I was sitting through that entire interminable hour was to set up one of the weakest twists I've ever encountered, it kind of pissed me off.
It felt like one of those jokes you hear in junior high school where the person telling the joke pads it out with a half hour of nothing, and then right when they're going to give you the punch line, the main character of the joke gets run over by a truck, and you realize that the real punch line is that you were gullible enough to sit there listening to the whole thing.
worst. episode. ever.
Posted by Farmgirl (Member # 5567) on :
So that would explain why we didn't really understand it - because it WAS worse then the previous episodes... Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Best line: "You anti-semantic bastard!"
I thought this one was especially disgusting. What with the tongue, the eyeball, the exploding scrotum and the revolting ending of House's hallucination (I screamed and covered my face with my blanket all the way through that!), I almost couldn't stomach it. Blech!
Another surprise: The sexual tension between Cameron and House, which we now know was part of his dream. IT makes us wonder if House's subconcious really wants to undress her with a crazy robot operating machine. Very weird and out of character.
I guess that was the whole point though. He was kind of out of character the whole time because it was all a dream. ...
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I love House so of course I "liked" it, but I must agree that it was the worst episode ever. I feel kinda jipped
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
I love House so of course I "liked" it, but I must agree that it was the worst episode ever. I feel kinda gypped. And the new level of gross was just nasty! I haven't had to watch anything through my fingers in a long time but I did with that episode!
Posted by jeniwren (Member # 2002) on :
Wow. I really liked it. It reminded me of Connie Willis's Passage, a book I didn't love, but which nonetheless made an impression on me.
I liked that it became increasingly difficult to tell what was real and what wasn't and then none of it was, which made the whole thing make a lot more sense. I mean, it had the same confusion level for me as Memento. Yes, it seems like a cheat that it was all a 'dream', but I think it's more on the level of a near death experience than a 'and then he woke up' Dallas sort of dream. And I'm wondering how much this episode will change him. We still don't know why the shooter shot him, but House sure made up a very compelling story for why, and it'll be interesting to see how accurate it is. I really thought the episode was interesting because it's almost like House is trying to let himself be happy. The implications of all the different arguments are changed by the fact that it all came from his head. That's not the same as Dallas's cheat. I think the writers are trying to let us see more of House's motivations.
Anyway, I liked it and can't wait to see what happens next season. Obviously he doesn't die, which is the only real flaw with this story line. If it was Cameron, we'd also have the tension of wondering whether she was going to survive.
Brinestone, they'll be showing the entire season of House again over the summer, two back to back episodes every Tuesday night. Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
I don't think I liked it. I couldn't suspend disbelief so early on I figured the whole thing was a dream. Although, I did wonder if the very early stuff was real. Anyway, I wasn't impressed.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
Jeniwren, I loved Passages. And it will definitely be interesting to see what he learns from it. He now knows, if he didn't before, that he's hot for Cameron, that he does have what to apologize for and that he does bear some responsibility for the results of his actions. That cold and blunt can kill.
I wonder whether he recognized the shooter, and whether the women in the hallucination, who started out as the MEOW's wife, but wound up being the one who killed herself in the garage, was actually the wife of the shooter.
The fact that he apologized to the shooter, even though it was in his hallucination, had to have had some effect on him.
I wonder if the ketamine will work.
I actually thought it was really well done. But it was very different, and I can see why some people might not have liked it.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
The fact that the Sopranos is a much better show aside, I think they definitely researched "sick dreams."
I had the weirdest dreams when I was in the hospital. I was not in a coma, but my dreams were very episodic, and recurred each time I fell back asleep. I could control them, in a really weird way. "OK, this is not OK and needs to stop." And the dream would shift to some other weird scene.
I felt that way about House's dream.
Did Sherlock Holmes ever have dream episodes? (We had discussed elsewhere how the show is mirroring the Holmes stories.)
Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Elizabeth, that is called lucid dreaming.
Posted by Theaca (Member # 8325) on :
Lisa, I also wondered about the "wife" and about whether he was right about what happened to the shooter's family.
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
Kristen, I know what you mean about lucid dreaming. There have been occasions when I realized I was dreaming, and deliberately took control of the dream and made it go in a direction I wanted it to. Usually I woke up soon afterward, but it worked for a while.
I have also had the experience of realizing what my dream signified while I was dreaming it. I mean, dreams often employ a symbolism that represents various things in our emotional life. When I realized what it was my subconscious was trying to say to me, I felt a sense of great satisfaction, and being at peace with myself.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Did Sherlock Holmes ever have dream episodes?
Well, he was a heroin addict at one point, and would have "strange reveries". And he pretended madness and illness one time as part of a case and babbled about oysters overthrowing the planet.
But other than that, and one brush with a deadly hallucinogenic substance, I don't think dreaming was ever mentioned.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Ron, The weird thing about the dreams I had was the fact that I would go right back into "the world of the dream." So it wasn;t so much a recurring dream as a recurring situation, if that is really a difference. The first one was when I woiuld keep looking into my book bag to figure out who was missing theor Problem of the Week. (I teach) Finally, I just told myself, "This is just stupid. You're sick, just relax and the sub will figure it out."
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Actually, the level of grossness is one of the things that clued me into the fact that he wasn't conscious the entire time. Because the things that happened were so UNreal with a touch of reality that it had to be a dream.
*shrug* I actually really liked it and there WAS some good dialogue in there. Posted by Kristen (Member # 9200) on :
Brinestone: They will be showing back-to-back episodes of house season 2 every Tuesday this summer. As I haven't seen all of them, and can rewatch tv, this is most exciting!
The grossness kind of squicked me out, but perhaps I am desensitized to all of this by now as it didn't disturb me.
I do love that in his subconscious, his underlings never question him!
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
quote:Did Sherlock Holmes ever have dream episodes?
Well, he was a heroin addict at one point, and would have "strange reveries". And he pretended madness and illness one time as part of a case and babbled about oysters overthrowing the planet.
Isn't that the Scientology backstory? Or was it clams?
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
I had a series of dreams once that were incredibly vivid -- I mean, to the extent that when I'd wake up, I wasn't sure which was the dream. And they were like a serial. Each night, they'd start off where they'd left off previously. It was quite spooky.
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kristen: I do love that in his subconscious, his underlings never question him!
But it's more than that. In his subconscious, they don't question him, and it pisses him off. I think it's an indication that he's feeling that they're too well trained at this point, and not willing enough to fight him. He needs flunkies who will fight him. So long as he gets to win in the end anyway.
Posted by jh (Member # 7727) on :
After I watched the episode, I was really confused but after thinking about it it was actually pretty good. The whole episode delves into House's world, to see how he views things and I thought that was an interesting approach. Certain parts were really squicky, but other than that it was good.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Well, as for his underlings not questioning him, it bugged the crap out of House when Foreman refused to disagree with him a couple episodes ago.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Ok folks, we're back!
Fess up and tell us what you thought of the premiere last night. I liked it.
It did feel a little like the writers had to have some cranky snark, so they gave it to Wilson because House is feeling a little better. Seemed like Wilson had his panties in a twist during the entire episode.
I'm annoyed that House has to have a high of some sort...when Cuddy and Wilson didn't tell him he was right about the patient, he decided to sneak over and get some Vicodin. So the question we're all supposed to ask is "Would House have done that if he had known that he was right about the other patient? Is it only a matter of time before he'll miss the Vicodin?" I guess that's his character, but I'm sort of bummed that it's so...predictable. I guess that's the word. I'd love to believe that House can become a happier pain free person, but I guess they won't let us have that.
Otherwise, I thought the episode was good. I wish they'd let us get to know Chase a bit more. I feel like he's always in the background and he's the only one of the trio we really haven't gotten to spend some quality time with. I didn't want to spend quality time with him in the first season, cause he was a jerk, but now I do.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
So you think it's real, then?
Posted by FlyingCow (Member # 2150) on :
It could easily be a continued hallucination, but then again it may not. In support of the first premise, though, a few things to consider.
1. Again, he has full mobility and takes advantage of that, doing all kinds of things he would have wanted to do when he had the crutch. This time, though, he gets a little pain here and there - possibly the real pain breaking through the illusion.
2. Again, his crew is acting strangely. His interaction when asking Cameron out was odd because he really didn't know what she would say, so his brain couldn't fill in that blank. However, this time, instead of being a step ahead and agreeing with him all over, they were saying "no" outright - possibly his brains response/reaction to the hallucinated killing in the season finale last year.
3. Scenes were still jumping from place to place, but that's really just television editing that we ignore. In the season finale, they drew attention to the discontinuity of common cuts to make it feel dreamlike... so it could still be dreamlike just without the self conscious camera.
4. The preview for next week with the levitation, alien DNA, and whatnot, could be a continuation of the delusion and a heightening of it.
On the other hand, There were more "non-House" scenes without Hugh Laurie, making it less focused on him, and his colleagues reactions to his "first day back" behavior were understandably cautious. His pain may be gone, and the wacky stuff in next episode might be Vicodin delusions or have some other explanation.
I'm interested to find out. Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
I didn't like it as much. It had fewer "good lines" than other episodes, and it didn't have some intriguing medical scenario (in the words of Cutti "his liver is going to explode because his head's on fire!") being the focus. It was much more character focused than other episodes.
It was a completely different feel. Usually the focus is the disease, with lots of snarky comments. This one's focus was House's character, and really, I didn't like House in this episode.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I do think it's real kq. I'm not sure why, but I feel like so many people were irked by the finale that the writers wouldn't want to do that again. Not a good reason, but possible.
I was annoyed that the writers were hoping we'd 'forget' about all the zillion other times that Cuddy has acted on one of House's hunches and been right. Why did everyone have such a fit this time? Why is she so obsessed NOW with him learning how to take "no" for an answer? and this time, the treatment wasn't even risky! I was slightly insulted that they assumed we're stupid and never watched the other seasons.
But yeah, I think it's real. I spent the whole episode worrying that the real pain was going to come back though. It hasn't yet, but I wouldn't put it past them.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I do not think it is real. Or, it is. That is how I felt! The thing that makes me think it was unreal was the perspective from the guy in the wheelchair. Was that scene meant to make us think that House was seeing the world through this guy's eyes? Or was it to give us an inside edge on the future diagnosis House came up with, to add tension to the moment, knowing he was "there" and worrying that House would not be allowed to save him?
Either way, I liked it, and was lucky to have caught the first show! It seemed so early for the start.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
quote:Originally posted by Narnia:
I was annoyed that the writers were hoping we'd 'forget' about all the zillion other times that Cuddy has acted on one of House's hunches and been right. Why did everyone have such a fit this time? Why is she so obsessed NOW with him learning how to take "no" for an answer? and this time, the treatment wasn't even risky! I was slightly insulted that they assumed we're stupid and never watched the other seasons.
Yea, I noticed that too. I mean, last season Cuddy was like, "House gets lucky a lot." But now, when House gets lucky it doesn't mean anything?
Also, what was with people standing up to him all of a sudden? It was like, you're no longer crippled, so you can't get away with everything you used to get away with? Because obviously it wasn't his brain making him a brilliant doctor, it was his crippled leg.
So, disappointed in the premiere. I'll watch next week and see if it gets better, but House isn't the kind of show I'm going to watch just out of loyalty.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I think it's real.
I might have to write off this season if it's not.
I wasn't terribly impressed by this episode, but at least I didn't hate it like the season finale.
[ September 06, 2006, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I liked the episode a lot, but Wilson was annoying me. Constantly patronizing house all the time. But the ending made me rather happy. gHzg szx juxg ool.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
House was put in an odd quandary by Cuddy. First he comes into her office and she tells him that he isn't acting like himself, he isn't saying that the guy's liver is going to explode and his brain's on fire, insinuating that something is wrong.
So House does his House things and the jigsaw comes togther, even though he hasn't taken any Vicodin. So he's still got..."it"..that constant thing he's always had of being a brilliant diagnostician. He bolts to Cuddy's and tells her what he's come up with, being his old self...and she proceeds to accuse him of being high.
He can't win.
That is when he goes for the Vicodin, when he thinks that he doesn't have it anymore, the "house" thing that makes him "house." He doesn't have any confidence in his leg, he's afraid that will go out on him ANY time, so he uses it as much as he possibly can.
But he's always had his medical deductive ability and now, out of trying to help him, his friends are actually making things worse.
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I'm not even a mommy yet, and I couldn't handle the traumatizing baby stuff of this episode (I watched the rest of it the next day).