Jon Stewart must be laughing in his grave... oh, wait, he isn't dead! Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
huh... weirdness
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Cool. I heard earlier that they had fired whats-his-name and that is would probably be cancelled, but nice to know it's official. Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Jon Stewart must be laughing in his grave... oh, wait, he isn't dead!
yet
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
I liked Rob Novak too... *sniff*
ok.. I'm over it. Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
This explains why I heard them talking about CF on NPR today. I heard that Carlson is talking with MSNBC about a show there, and that CNN's new cheif of... something... (I forget his name, he's only been around for one month) told him and Begala were much, much better at arguing than actual debate, and that they wanted a show with less partisan-talking-point-exchange and more discussion. Not sure if one is the result of the other, though.
--j_k
[edit] OK, probably should've read the article first. Klein's the guy they were talking about.
[ January 06, 2005, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: James Tiberius Kirk ]
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
It's about time. I fail to see how anyone can benefit from a bunch of folks all talking at the same time, degenerating by the end of the show to all of them shouting at each other at the same time.
But, I guess it was a microcosm of the US these days. Hardly anyone talks to anyone who disagrees with them, they just shout past each other.
Well, not so much here at the 'Rack (although it sometimes happens here, too), but in real life I just know too many people who will only communicate with other people whom they know ahead of time they agree with. Anyone else gets ignored or shouted down. Which is really very boring, IMO.
Edit to add a phrase to clarify.
[ January 06, 2005, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: littlemissattitude ]
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
quote: fail to see how anyone can benefit from a bunch of folks all talking at the same time, degenerating by the end of the show to all of them shouting at each other at the same time.
FOX has built an entire network on it.
Posted by littlemissattitude (Member # 4514) on :
quote:FOX has built an entire network on it.
Which is exactly why I never, ever watch FOX News.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I forgot to tune into The Daily Show's opening piece tonight--what did Jon Stewart have to say about this? Anybody catch it?
Posted by BannaOj (Member # 3206) on :
You know cross fire and larry king live are always two shows I pass immediately if at all possible. The only time that I'd ever voluntarily watch them is when it is the only thing on while stuck at an airport.
AJ
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
He said he didn't know that if you wanted a show cancelled all you had to do was say it out loud.
[ January 06, 2005, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: Kayla ]
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Thanks Kayla!
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
Does this mean that journalists are going to start doing actual research into stories?
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
What, are you on crack? He went on to say, "So, the news is fixed?" He also said that Carlson Tucker is getting a prime time show on MSNBC and the other three from Cross Fire are staying at CNN, so it's like musical chairs, except that when the music stops, they all have chairs, and look at each other and say "what's next?" Or something like that.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
This article was linked in this metafilter post yesterday. I love how Jonathan Klein is quoted saying "I guess I come down more firmly in the Jon Stewart camp." Satyagraha
[ January 07, 2005, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: Insanity Plea ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm glad they cut that show, it was useless.
Carville always lost his arguments because he couldn't think up snappy replies fast enough and he got angry too much.
Novack is an idiot, and I'm willing to call him a traitor too, since he released the name of a CIA operative undercover and refused to give his source.
Paul Begala is cool, and smart, and I liked listening to him talk about things, but too often he attacked the right just for the sake of attacking the right.
And Tucker. Ah, what can I say about Tucker. Tucker is the rightest guy I've ever seen, though not quite a male Anne Coulter (I think Anne Coulter is more of a male Anne Coulter than Tucker is). To be fair, he actually DOES have nice things to say about the left, and doesn't hate them because they are liberal, but rather because he actually believes so strongly in his own convictions. For that, I think he's a good guy, but he's still bogged down in right wing thinking, and in deep deep denial about his own party.
Go Jon Stewart. Jon's obviously a liberal, but he never ever misses a chance to rip ANY politician a new one when they screw up, which is how ALL news shows should be, and were in their glory days.
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
Lyrhawn, EXACTLY. I'd hope that this is the beginning of the end for 'political' shows that have more in common with Springer than actual debate.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: Go Jon Stewart. Jon's obviously a liberal, but he never ever misses a chance to rip ANY politician a new one when they screw up
But the way he rips on the right and the left are drastically different from each other.
During the presidential race (when I stopped watching the daily show), his rips seemed to fall along the lines of:
Look at Kerry! He's a boring, awkward white guy! What a doofus! Ha!
Look at Bush! He's a traitor, a liar, and wants to murder all homosexuals! Ha!
Posted by newfoundlogic (Member # 3907) on :
quote: FOX has built an entire network on it.
When does that happen on FOX News? Emotions seem to run pretty high fairly often, but I do feel like I'm watching debate as opposed to a shouting match, even Hannity and Combes is pretty civil.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:But the way he rips on the right and the left are drastically different from each other.
That might have something to do with the fact that the right is in power.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote:But the way he rips on the right and the left are drastically different from each other.
During the presidential race (when I stopped watching the daily show), his rips seemed to fall along the lines of:
Look at Kerry! He's a boring, awkward white guy! What a doofus! Ha!
Look at Bush! He's a traitor, a liar, and wants to murder all homosexuals! Ha!
Well to be fair, he IS a liar, and does want to deny rights to Homosexuals. And he never to my knowledge called Bush a traitor, he just repeatidly called him an idiot, and when you look at the evidence he continually used, I think it's far to use that too. And he ripped on Kerry often enough for doing and saying stupid things too.
But Twinky is right
quote:That might have something to do with the fact that the right is in power.
The fact that he rips more on the right than the left is for the same reason be erupted on Crossfire, he's sick of political pundits not holding politician's feet to the fire, so he does it himself. As the party in power, the Republicans have to expect to take more heat. When you're in the drivers seat, expect the people in the backseat to comment on your driving.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote: That might have something to do with the fact that the right is in power.
I don't think so. I noticed similar things back during the 2000 presidental campaign.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
quote:I don't think so. I noticed similar things back during the 2000 presidental campaign.
I wasn't watching the show during the 2000 campaign, I didn't start watching it until a couple of years ago.
Posted by maui babe (Member # 1894) on :
quote:Well to be fair, he IS a liar,
Do you have any actual evidence of that Lyrhawn? If so, please show a link - to an actual lie from GWB - not just somebody else calling him a liar...
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Well, there was that time he said Donald Rumsfeld was doing "a terriffic job." If he wasn't lying I'd have to question his sanity
He and his administration, however, are very careful to maintain plausible deniability in any case where they could wind up being accused of lying -- the assertion that Iraq posed an imminent and serious threat to American security, for instance.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Alright Maui Babe. I apologize for appearing as a stereotypical liberal wildly pointing at Bush and calling him a big fat liar.
But the man isn't entirely forthcoming, and he DID lie about the timber company in the debate with Kerry where he kept making the "want some wood" jokes, he DOES own stock in a timber company that allowed him by federal law to be counted as a small business owner.
No he's never been caught red handed in an outright lie, but a lot of his biggest promises have been laced with at least moral dishonesty. I guess the fact is that he's always wrong, so when he promises something will happen, and then doesn't, it makes it look like he lied about it. Quite frankly I'd rather him be a liar than a blithering idiot who is always wrong.
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