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Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Walk down the right back alley in Sin City... you can find anything.

Can't wait to see this. I mean, I thought it would be a hit just amongst the fan boys, but, geez....
 
Posted by fiazko (Member # 5812) on :
 
I will definitely be seeing it this weekend, even if I have to go by myself. It looks totally revolutionary.
 
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
 
Thread title: Sin City ****
quote:
Can't wait to see this. I mean, I thought it would be a hit just amongst the fan boys, but, geez....
Can't wait to see the Sin City **** hit the fan...boys?
 
Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
 
Friday evening, 9:55, I'm there. And I get in for free, to boot. [Cool]
 
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Taking the hubby. Have had the sitter lined up since Monday.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Jenni and I are going tomorrow too, it looks incredable.
 
Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
 
I heard that it's supposed to be super-violent.
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
Oh, sweet Lord, yes. Very graphic. VERY graphic. Apparently scenes I wouldn'tve DREAMED would be left in the movie are (I take away his weapons. Both of them.).

Also, apparently they changed the ending to The Big Fat Kill to make it SUPER cool.
 
Posted by bunbun (Member # 6814) on :
 
Three different colors of blood. I think it will be a veritable wince-fest.

I cannot wait!
 
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
I'm going to see it in a couple of hours. I haven't read anything by Frank Miller, so I don't really have any expectations going in.
 
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
 
I've watched those trailers 5 or 6 times each since last night.

I can't wait!
 
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
 
Frank Miller rules.

There is no way they can make the movie as good as his books, they should have made it animated.
 
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Yeah. ULTRA-violence, my favorite kind. *smirk*

Actually, I've heard the source material is really good, and that RR really licked boot to get it made, AND that the creator is really happy with it.

But I will see it soon, and then pass judgment.

If anyone brings their kids, I shall be quite put out.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
The style looks *amazing*. Wow. Can you say "eye candy"?
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
You sure can.

I think the best panel-to-screen adaptation is Hartigan in his jail cell and Hartigan leaving prison. Oh, wait, and in the car chase and shoot out scene. Oh, wait, and the part with the cop cars zooming around Sin City. Oh, wait.. You know what? Forget it.
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
I'm going to sit this one out. It looks too much like a strange fetish film. You know something is wrong when Rosario Dawson looks bad.

[ April 01, 2005, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
 
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
It was brilliant. Probably the most brutally violent movie I've ever seen, and I loved it. It was also very funny, consistently.
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
When I think of brilliant, have a sense of shining dignity. Brutally violent and funny strike closer to pornographic than shining dignity.

[ April 01, 2005, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Irami Osei-Frimpong ]
 
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
Well then I would say you have a somewhat narrow-minded view of brilliance. But I wouldn't really expect you to enjoy a movie like this, Irami. You can't get satisfaction from reading about the normalcy of the average Joe, so I certainly wouldn't think you'd enjoy a movie about the filthier aspects of life, whether entirely fictional or not. I don't hold it against you, though.
 
Posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong (Member # 2229) on :
 
quote:
Well then I would say you have a somewhat narrow-minded view of brilliance.
Yep. I think only brilliant things are brilliant. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
[Roll Eyes] [Wink]
 
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
 
Just saw it. It kind of reminded me of Pulp Fiction, but everything that I thought was wrong with Pulp Fiction was good here. And the cinematography... WOW.
 
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
 
Sin City = Win
 
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
 
I thought Rosario Dawson was smokin'.

I don't know that I *liked* it. But they definitely capture Frank Miller in all his cynical, brutal gory... er... glory.

I'm glad I saw it. I may never watch it again... but I'm glad I saw it.
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
While the violence was often and everywhere, it was done in enough cartoon-type effect so as not to be overly gross.

When blood spurts look more like vanilla pudding, its easier to view that realistic blood spurts.
 
Posted by Rico (Member # 7533) on :
 
Urgh... I was going to go see it tonight but plans sort of fell apart. I was so hyped up about this movie, I hope it lives up to the expectations.
 
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
Strider and I loved it.

Especially Mickey Rourke. He was perfection.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
I thought it was visually stunning, and it felt like some old style black and white detective story.

Minus the detective, and law, and order.

Some of it seemed a little over the top to me, but overall I liked it a lot.
 
Posted by B-HAX (Member # 6640) on :
 
Just got back from seeing this movie, so let me say this.

It was a perfect cinematographic translation of a comic book. Technically and artisticly flawless. That may actually be its fault, perhaps somethings are better left untouched.

The fact that its a comic book is not lost on me folks, all I am saying is that perhaps it should have stayed in that medium. Befor you flame me let me say I am no curmudgeon when it comes to violent films. I was quite taken by the Kill Bill's, I found them to be very entertaining. In movies, that is about the closest thing I can think of to compare Sin City to.

The acts of violence depicted were too much even for me. They must have gotten their 'R' rating by the skin of their teeth, perhaps it was one disembowlment short of the feared NC17. Many people will reply saying "You just don't get it", believe me I get it, and just don't want it.

Acting was so-so except for a couple notables. Nick Stahl's performance as the Yellow Bastard. He has come along way from A Man Without a Face, and he's very good in Carnivàle. Mickey Rourke seemed born to play the roll of Marv, I don't think a better casting choice could have been made there.

Oh... it was kinda funny seeing the Gilmore Girl all tramped up nice and proper like.

cya
 
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
I thought the only girl worth anything was Rosario Dawson...Brittney Murphy and even Jessica Alba fell a bit short of the mark. The dialogue is campy, it's cheesy, it's from a COMIC BOOK and both of them (especially Murphy!) seemed embarassed to be speaking at times. But Dawson just got into all the nitty gritty glorious camp and just let 'er rip. The other two were sort of apologetic for the "bad writing" ...they just didn't get it!

Nick Stahl's voice...man! I couldn't imagine Leo Dicaprio having done justice to that role.

Any other Buffy fans get flashbacks watching the Yellow Bastard? *giggle*

I told Strider as we walked out of the theatre that the voice-over narration really grows on you after awhile...for the first two "shorts" I was rolling my eyes a couple of times with the cheesiness, but then I sort of got it...and got used to it. That said, the first snippet seemed out of place to me...more "refined" perhaps, than the rest of the movie? I understand that it was shot as a teaser for Frank Miller to pick a director, but I think they should have tweaked it a bit before combining it with these other stories.

***Spoilers***

All-in-all, I had fun. I don't agree about the rating being "almost NC-17 worthy" because the violence in this movie rarely "disturbed" me....Kevin's death a tad, just because of the gore and all-around creepiness...but movies like Reservoir Dogs (you *know* what I'm talking about, if you've seen it) are much more likely to offend...because they get under your skin, they stick with you, you have nightmares about them. I don't think I'll be trying to wipe Sin City from my memory, although I do try that with the Stuck in the Middle With You scene from Dogs.

IMDB.com says Tarantino filmed a segment...I'm wondering if anyone knows which one? And does segment mean...a whole segment? or like a scene? Because nothing really stuck out for me as being Tarantino-esque besides, of course, the few torture scenes. But then again, dialogue is what makes something Tarantino-esque. And stuff being out of order.

And this has turned into an essay.

Anyhoo, loved the movie. Loved loved.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Strider (Member # 1807) on :
 
I'm gonna have to disagree with you Leonide, about Jessica Alba. But I may be blinded by the fact that I've had a crush on her since Dark Angel.

Don't tell my girlfriend.
 
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
OMG

That was so much fun! I never read the source material, but I left feeling very good.

Some of the dialogue (epecially the hokum some of the femmes kept spouting at the guys) made the whole theater laugh out loud. I wasn't sure if it was on purpose or not, but it was very amusing.

Roark was an eye-opener.

This movie also marks the first time I have ever looked upon Clive Owen with anything akin to lust. [Big Grin] "You've already made a very big mistake -- you didn't flush." Meheh

Elijah Wood in that effed up Charlie Brown shirt... he really does 'twisted' pretty well. I expected Marv ro put out his smoke on his severed head before beginning to torture the ... what was he, a cardinal?

The bit with all those women in fishnet and thongs shooting machine guns... it was just so absurd everyone was laughing, but I took it as intentional. It somehow managed not to be insulting, in any case.

And thank God no one brought their children.
 
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 
Who is Becky's mother?
 
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
 
One final thought--Harry Potter the Cannibal Kid.
 
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
That is exactly the connection our buddy Nash made! LOL

And, as far as I know, Becky only spoke to her mother on the phone. I don't think she appeared on screen. (Becky wa sthe hooker with the big blue eyes?)
 
Posted by Jim-Me (Member # 6426) on :
 
yeah, that's Becky... and her mother is Lauren Graham...
 
Posted by Book (Member # 5500) on :
 
I really, really had fun watching that movie. I loved the books, but, honestly, I feared for this movie, because, well, I thought a lot of people would feel like what many of you have already expressed. "Stupid cartoonish retarded nonsense" was how one person put his predictions on the movie, and I was shaken.

But, damn, you really get ENVELOPED in the world of Sin City as you watch it. For instance, I smirked a little when I saw the first few Old Town girls with guns, but when time came for the Big Fat Kill, I wasn't laughing at all. I thought it was great.

The characters are exaggerated. They're more like dreams than real people, just like the world they inhabit. But you really start to feel for them, especially Haritgan and poor Marv.

I don't think the movie evoked enough pity for Marv. I missed the scene where he goes home to get his gun Gladys and his sits on the bed he slept in as a child and silently weeps. And I missed the scene where his mom, blind and frail, stops him in the night and asks what's wrong, and he says,

"Well, Mom... I've met a girl.

She's really nice.

Her name's Goldie."

That scene in the comics always breaks my heart. Poor Marv. He's like Lenny from Of Mice And Men, only he's been kicked around a lot more. Like a big dog who's become vicious because of cruel treatment, but when you show him the slightest bit of love he's loyal as hell and willing to die for you at a word.

That Yellow Bastard was done superbly well. There's one scene where Hartigan leans his head against the bars in his cell and just lets loose a scream... It chills to the bone.

I loved this movie. It's a fun ride and I want to see it again. It starts out sorta bumpy (Michael Madsen is terrible - it's like he's reading off of cue card), but when you see Marv hulk onscreen and start talking, then you forget all your previous troubles with the film and you smile as you watch the big dumb brute tear through the dregs of humanity.

And, oh sweet Lord, Kevin is a nightmare made flesh.

Here's a set of comic to movie comparisons. Warning for nudity, and possibly violence. But you should already know that.

[ April 02, 2005, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Book ]
 
Posted by Fitz (Member # 4803) on :
 
Tarantino directed the scene in which Owen was driving Del Toro to the Pits. Incidentally, I think this scene had the best acting performance of the movie, by Del Toro. I barely even recognized the guy in his role as Rafferty.
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
A friend of mine said she saw it an an IMAX theater.

I wonder what that must have been like.
 
Posted by Olivetta (Member # 6456) on :
 
Okay, then. You really think I was supposed to accept the killer hookers totally without irony? That the corny, man-worship dialogue WASN'T designed for laughter?

Then maybe the movie wasn't as successful as I thought. [Wink]
 
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 
quote:
yeah, that's Becky... and her mother is Lauren Graham
No, forget Gilmore Girls. I mean did anyone get the same clues about her mother from the movie as I did?

And Nick Stahl just looks like a Ferengi to me. It was hard to get past that.
 
Posted by Leonide (Member # 4157) on :
 
What are you thinking about Becky's mom, Glenn?
 
Posted by HRE (Member # 6263) on :
 
I went tonight -- and got kicked out.

I've never been kicked out of a movie before...

One of the girls with us was 16, and we bought her a ticket from the machine.

They waited until about five minutes into the move and then an attendant came in with a security officer and told us we had to leave.

I was looking foward to that movie...
 
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
 
Nick Stahl DID look like a Ferengi. How did I miss that?

I'm very disappointed in myself.
 
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 
quote:
What are you thinking about Becky's mom, Glenn?
I won't say, precisely. Let's just say that the chronology in the movie is messed up. That's where the clues come from. Unless I'm reading way too much into it.
 
Posted by Mrs.M (Member # 2943) on :
 
I'm in the "I'm glad I saw it, but I'm not going to see it again" camp.

I'm probably the only one who noticed this, but all the guns were from Springfield Armory. I think they're all from the new, amazing 2005 line. Mickey Rourke had the 1911-A1, which is a sweet, sweet gun. Does Frank Miller draw Springfield pistols, or did Robert Rodriguez make some deal with Springfield, I wonder. It was a refreshing change from seeing everyone always carrying Glocks in movies (esp. since Springfield pistols are better than Glocks). I carry a Springfield XD 5-inch 9mm.
 
Posted by Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged (Member # 7476) on :
 
Remind me to never mess with you Mrs. M.

[ April 07, 2005, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged ]
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
The chronology was definitely messed up, because the Hartigan and Marv stories were supposed to happen simultaneously. So having them apart...

Why, you think Becky's mom was the lady in red or something?
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
quote:
I won't say, precisely.
Why not? I have to admit, I feel annoyed when people allude to something, and then become coy when directly asked about it.
 
Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 
Because I'm guessing as much as the next guy. I want to see if anyone else comes up with the same theory. I don't want to plant the wrong seeds.
 
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
Well, I can see that I guess.

::mollified, but still curious::
 
Posted by Ryuko (Member # 5125) on :
 
I really loved Del Toro as Jack. The driving scene was by far my favorite scene.

The weirdest part for me was watching the movie and seeing the scenes before they happened, because of reading the comics. I had forgotten completely that I'd read The Big Fat Kill, and I still don't know when or where I read it, but I know I did because I kept having "premonitions" to what was about to happen.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
I really liked thsi movie...JenniK and I saw it today. I thought it was very, very well done, although I had to think a bit to draw the link between the beginning of the movie and the end of it.

I want to see it again, although I probably won;t see it again at the theatre. I plan on buying it when it comes out on DVD>

Kwea
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Mrs. M, I noticed the Springfield guns as well, or a few of them as well, but not because I shoot them.

I live and work less than 2 miles from Springfield, MA. [Big Grin]
 


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