This is the thread in which we record our favourite songs that were written before 1923 and/or are public domain, and share them.
You may also write your own music and sing it, of course.
I can't record anything yet, but I have several folk songs and much classical music that I plan on recording once I can.
Discuss!
[ May 03, 2005, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
May we also record songs which are not public domain, but which we have the permission of the copyright holder to use? Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
As I said on the reading to each other thread, I can't record anything yet b/c of lack of computer, but I'd love to hear anything anyone else has to share.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
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You may record anything that does not violate copyright and thus get our hosts in trouble. Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I'm inable to record anything, but, if possible, I would record the song I wrote called Carnival Folks.
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
Anyone have any links to good books of French art songs? Or, for that matter, any French PD songs?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I tried to record a hymn, but my voice broke; I've been reading out loud all day.
I'll rest my voice tonight and sing some tomorrow. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
French PD songs? What's the PD part stand for? Public Domain?
If so, (stupid question alert), what does Public Domain mean, and how is it a music genre?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Another question, do the acapella songs have to be folk? or can they be any kind if music? I write a lot of music lyrics (and some actual music to go with them, but not much), but it's rarely folk or anything close to folk.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Public Domain menas that on one currently holds a copyright to it, meaning usually meaning that the copyright has expired or has lapsed in some way.
As they have entered teh "public domain", anyone can record them or use them without ezpress permission of the person who holds the copyright....As they are no loger covered by copyright law.
In english, it means that no one can sue OSC for allowing us to host recordings of them here at Hatrack.....
Any recordings are fine, I believe.
[ May 03, 2005, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
EDIT: Bah, too slow.
Public Domain means that no one is going to sue you if you sing the song; that it's available for everyone to use; that it is not copyrighted. It is not an obscure music genre .
This means you may record any songs written before 1923, which may include folk songs, classical music and early 20th century stuff. I don't know what else is, but presumably things like National Anthems are in the public domain.
[ May 03, 2005, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: Teshi ]
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Yep, if its in the public domain you can just about do whatever you want with it. Note that this does not mean what someone else does with it is in the public domain.
For instance, a Souza march as originally penned is in the public domain, but --
For a particular printing of that march, the presentation is copyrighted (assuming its recent enough), so while you can play it using that sheet music for whatever purposes you want, you can't reproduce that sheet music.
If someone arranges the march, that arrangement has copyright on it, so you can't play it (or whatever) without a license.
If someone performs the work that performance is copyrighted, so you can't distribute a recording of it (without a license, of course).
In many countries other than the US, there are additional rights beyond copyright that still apply to public domain works, called moral rights. In those nations it might be illegal to, for instance, utilize a Souza march to make fun of the united states, assuming the creator or someone with an authority to argue on his behalf (typically an estate) objected. These are rarely enforced, though, and usually only in very extreme, often profane cases.
It is possible to dedicate your work to the public domain, here's a nifty document to refer to in order to do so: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Hey Teshi, why not on AIM?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
?
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
I'm asking why Teshi isn't on aim, kwea, when she seems to be online (though she may have just gone to bed).
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Anyone know of a place/way where I could post songs then? I don't have my own website to upload MP3s onto. Is there anything quick and easy I could do?
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
I thought you were asking why we weren't hositng this on AIM, so I was a bit confused, wondering how the hell that could be done....
Then I realized what you were saying, but thought it was funny so I left it up....
[ May 03, 2005, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Sorry, fugu, missed you. I had gone, probably only a few minutes before your post, too. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
My voice is still iffy, but I recorded anyway. It's not my best work, but anyone who wishes to hear it may e-mail me for me singing "Be Thou My Vision".
I will give my voice a little rest and then see if I can't do something else decently. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Voice still not quite right, but getting better.
I've recorded "Shenandoah", which I sing to my daughter for a lullabye; once I put the entire waiting room at her clinic to sleep. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I've got "Annie Laurie", which I think is the most beautiful love song in the English language, and which I in no way do justice to. E-mail if you want it.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
What, no one else wants to sing? And Teshi is the only one who wants to hear? I know I'm not great, but I'm not that bad. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
*bounce*
I see you got my e-mail! Did you send them yet?
*bounce*
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Yes, I sent them. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I got them! I especially like Shenandoah- very soothing, I can imagine you could put a roomful to sleep with this.
I like your voice in the higher register best- it's very pretty and pure up there! I can hear it especially in the highest parts of 'Be Thou My Vision'.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Wow, and I couldn't even sing high in my range today because of the sore throat. Thank you. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
So, seriously, no one else is going to sing?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Can I be on the list of people receiving singin' stuff? I don't know how to send and record myself. Though I am willing....
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I'll e-mail you what I did. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
kq, did you find because of your cold you had to switch your voice and sing with a more airy tone? Is that what you mean?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
No, I actually am hoarse from reading so much yesterday. I had trouble switching smoothly between head and chest tone, and I had to stick to the middle of my range-- nothing on the really high end of what I can sing, and nothing really low. (I have an almost-three-octave range when I'm in good voice.) I was having voice control issues-- more wavering than usual-- and and some volume problems, especially on the higher notes. But I didn't freak out too much, especially since I was using my "folk singing" voice, not my "trained" voice (that I use in choirs, etc.)
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I'd love to hear you use your choir voice . I love your head tone .
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
"Choir tone" is not on the agenda until my throat is fully better, since it hurts if I use it when I'm not healthy-throated, and so I only sing through a cold, allergies, or sore throat if we have a performance. But when I'm better, I'll be happy to.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I can wait .
Seriously, though, I though your head tone was very pretty and that maybe you had been singing the songs a bit low for your voice.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Such a lovely, pure, youthful voice! And is that a hint of a Texan accent I hear there? Are you a native southerner?
Edit: Even if I did know the best way to record myself, I find myself at a bit of a loss for what I could sing. Any ideas?
[ May 03, 2005, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: And is that a hint of a Texan accent I hear there?
No! NO NO NO NO NO! I am a Californian! I do not have an accent! My grandfather on my dad's side and my mom's family were "Okies", though. We've always sung with a bit of a twang on some songs.
*bangs head in frustration* I AM NOT A TEXAN!
As for what you could sing, hymns are always good. So are folk songs, old jazz standards, kids' songs... There are many resources given in the other thread we talked about this in-- here. Not knowing your voice, I don't know what to recommend.
Please do!
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
You can send me Annie Laurie. I'm curious about the best english language song ever, and about the accent argument =)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Sorry, KQ! There wasn't much twang, honest!
I have recorded three songs. I will send them to you, KQ. Anyone else interested, lemmie know.
Edit: Will send to Teshi also.
[ May 03, 2005, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Me! Me!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Sent off!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Wow, I am so glad you guys got me to do this! I am loving having audacity on my computer and playing with it. I realized I can sing harmony with myself!
I am also wondering what happened to KQ and Teshi.
Anyway, to both of you I am sending a version of Greensleeves with a descant I wrote for it when Porter and I were playing it together. Maybe at some point Porter and I will record some of our bluegrass songs--or at least a duet of some sort.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I haven't recieved anything yet... Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Uh oh....
Lemmie see if I can fix that....
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I wonder if "Come Thou Fount" is in the public domain....
That's my favorite acapella. I shall find out and get back to you.
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
I wish I could record some songs, but I lack the technology.
Btw, if you guys are looking for public domain stuff, there's a lot on this site.
Edit: The site must be down, I haven't been able to get to load it.
[ May 06, 2005, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Eruve Nandiriel ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Man, I sure hope so... since that was one of the ones I sang!
Teshi, now my email is complaining about sending the message. I will keep trying. Please let me know when you've received it.
If you want it sent to a different email than the one in your profile, please send me an email from that account.
[ May 03, 2005, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Oh, you did, Bev? Can I still do a version too?
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Eruve, I didn't know how to do it until today. Do you have a microphone? If you do, all you need to do is download "Audacity" which is free. You might also need to download LAME, a free mp3 encoder, so that you can turn them into mp3s. Otherwise, someone would need to have Audacity on their puter in order to read your file.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Feel free. It's not like I have a copyright or anything. Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
beverly- I think I might actually have a microphone somewhere, it might be too old to plug into this PC though. I'll try the program, thanks!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Eruve, I hope that will work for you! Not only will I enjoy hearing what you have to send along, but I think you will have lots of fun playing with it!
I am wondering if there is a way to post all our singing in one Hatrack-accessable place?
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
WOOT! I finally found a spot where the microphone not only plugs in, but also works! Now I just have to figure out how the program works, and how to mix stuff...
[ May 03, 2005, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Eruve Nandiriel ]
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Can't wait to hear you, Eru.
Oh, and Beverly... I still haven't recieved anything and the address usually works... Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
At least I know what went wrong the first couple times. I thought the first letter was "g".
*laughs at self*
The second time my computer "complained" when I tried to send it. If it complains again, I will try the other email account--now knowing what the error was.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
q stands for queen .
I had delusions of grandeur as a younger person.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Eruve, if you have any questions, just ask. Though honestly, I am not the most suave with computers, I did figure it out.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Yeah, it *totally* makes sense now. I feel stupid for not getting it before.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Teshi, would you check again? It may have been sent several times over. I'm not sure....
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Got it (twice over )!
Downloading now!
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Wow! I love your voice . I love your rendition of Greensleeves (which is one of my favourite songs) with the beautiful descant. I find myself singing along!
I like this thread!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Yay! I'm so glad you got it!
I am looking over the "readin aloud" thread now, seeing that there is a jatraqueros yahoo group for reading. Can that be used for the music stuff too? (I haven't read far enough to know yet.)
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Well, this is kind of the spin-off of that thread, but I don't know. I don't see why not...
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
Teshi- It may be a while before you hear anything. I'm still getting over being sick, and I don't sound very good when I'm healthy either. Then I have to get the nerve to actually record something. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
*sends healing vibes*
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
Whoa, Bev, your Greensleeves is really good. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I have created a group site for sharing music files that we have recorded. I have invited the people who showed interest in this thread.
You don't have to put up files, you are welcome to enjoy what others have put up. Include your Hatrack name in your request to join so I will know who you are. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Thanks, twinky! BTW, you are already invited.
Edit, and now I find myself wondering how you heard the file.
*wanders off wondering*
[ May 03, 2005, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
bev: Yes, I joined and listened before posting.
I also like the zebra song
[ May 03, 2005, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: twinky ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Ahhhhhh. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
(Oh, and I was thinking of singing that song, too...)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Um, it has been brought to my attention that the "Files" portion of the site has limited space and that I should put the stuff in the Database.
Unfortunately, I don't know how. I tried, and I didn't see a way to download from my computer. I will go look at the reading group to see if I can figure it out by looking.
And, any advice anyone can give is appreciated!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Actually, bev, what we did was make a listing of what's available. Then, people who want it can download it from the website given or e-mail at the address given to recieve it. Check out the one on the reading group, I think it will help.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Should I remove the files that are in the files area? Or is leaving them there OK?
I will make a Database, but maybe not tonight. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
KQ -
"Annie Laurie" was fantastic!!!!
I don't really hear much of a twang in your voice, but I would describe your voice as older, not in the sense that YOU are older, but it sounds like the kind of women that sang in the 20's and 30's. Which in my opinion is a more pure sound than what you usually get these days.
Either way though. You have a great voice.
Makes me not want to share anything of mine, I'm not good at all.
btw - for anyone who wants to here my crap, I have a few songs, all of which are original compositions. And a recording of me singing Les Marseillaise (the French National Anthem).
They are in WAV format however, I have no idea how to MP3ify them.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Lyrhawn, I thought those pretty much sucked; not my best work by a long shot. But I also think that you should definitely share. Songs are soemthing that everyone should feel able to share; it's not the quality of the voice, it's how you use it. It's what you put into it, and how much you can share through it. (And I felt like a very, very poor singer when I heard bev.)
I take the "old voice" thing as a compliment; I sang in a bluegrass/old-timey/eclectic band, and that's pretty much the sound I tried to develop in my voice. (I've been complimented by professional musician friends of my dad's along the same lines-- "Your voice is so soulful. Like, Maybelle Carter soulful.") So, thank you. Hmmm... Maybe I should sing some of the songs we used to do; maybe that would compliment my voice. *contemplates recording "Wildwood Flower"*
quote: Should I remove the files that are in the files area? Or is leaving them there OK?
I don't think it matters either way, except that people might get frustrated that they can't download or upload them. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Lyrhawn-- you need LAME for the MP3 issue. Check out the e-mail I sent you for a linky.
And send them to me when you finish with the LAME!
[ May 04, 2005, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Thanks! I got it and I already have it working. I changed my WAV formatted songs into MP3s and wow, it's amazing how much space an MP3 saves, they went from 10 MB to less than 1 MB a song. Crazy.
And yes, soulful is a good way to describe it too. It's clear and honest.
Actually I think that's an even better word for it, honest.
I'll offer up some titles of my own tomorrow. I want to rerecord a couple of them to get the best sound I can get. I've got some performance pressure issues now.
Thanks a lot KQ Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Lyrhawn, will you please send me everything you've done? Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
KQ and Bev,
I just sent 4 of my songs out to you two. Hope they get there alright.
Hope they sound alright.
Hope you don't go deaf from listening to them Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I got it and replied. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'll do "O Danny Boy" and "Rondine al Nido" tomorrow, those are probably more to your liking style and genre wise.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Lyrhawn, will you send me your songs? I'd love to hear them! My e-mail address is in my profile .
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'll send you "Les Marseillaise" but I'm waiting until tomorrow to send out "Rondine al Nido" and "O Danny Boy"
And I'm not sending my original works now, unless you tell me beforehand what kind of music you listen to mostly, and what kind of music you hate.
Do you have anything up for grabs?
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
*psst* La Marseillaise....
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
By the way, my recording technology is indeed pretty wretched, but my voice does not improve even without the echoey tin can effect. Apologies to all those who have to listen to me. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
quote: what kind of music you listen to mostly, and what kind of music you hate.
I listen to classical music and soundtracks, bit of jazz, some from the 40s-60s, bit of 70s, hardly anything from after that, but mostly because I'm ignorant.
I don't hate any music. If it's modern bubblegum pop I probably won't appreciate it, same goes for rap. Very heavy and boring rock is also annoying.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
My voice seems sufficiently recovered to do a song in my "trained" voice (although maybe not the extreme high notes). I'm thinking "The Ash Grove"-- if I ever get a chance.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
This might amuse you all:
I wanted to do some recordings for this and also for the read-aloud thread, but I live in a house with three small children and couldn't think of any possible location that would be quiet and discreet enough. Yesterday I had to go pick my mom up at the University, so I left early under the premise that I had to go to the library. I did go to the library - I parked in the parking lot and got out my laptop (I had to lean the seat way back so I could hold the laptop open) and sang into it (I don't have a microphone, just the built-in one) repeatedly. For about an hour and a half. All kinds of people drove by and from the expressions on some of the skateboarders' faces, I'm guessing a '93 Ford Taurus is not completely soundproof. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
"The Ash Grove" is available. E-mail if you want it. (It's not perfect, but since my husband is entertaining the baby right now in order for me to do this, I didn't feel like re-recording or editing for the little tiny mistakes I made.) This is me with my almost-recovered "trained" voice. Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I loved The Ash Grove! Very pretty! Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Thank you. As I said, I still have not recovered my full range, but I'm getting there.
Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
I haven't had the time to listen to or record anything for either Yahoo! Group. As soon as exams are over, I intend to correct that. I can't wait to hear you all.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Ooo, "Ash Grove" is by far my favorite thus far! Very nice!
I'm still waiting to hear something from Bev and Teshi!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Me messing around singing different kinds of harmony with myself on "Amazing Grace" is now available. E-mail to recieve it. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
And it's even more amusing this morning than it was last night-- not quite intentionally. I put that down to doing it at 2:30 or 3 am...
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
KQ, I can't remember if I emailed the request, but since I'm here, I would *love* to hear "Amazing Grace" and "Ash Grove".
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Lyrhawn, did you receive my email with the songs?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I'm attatching them right now, bev.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Very large e-mail sent. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I didn't get songs from you Beverly.
Of course it might be my fault, I may have deleted it by accident, I've been getting tons of emails lately and I'm a little click happy in getting rid of them.
To date I've only received music from KQ (which was fantastic by the way!) Sorry if I deleted it Beverly
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
I'm getting Hobbes to upload mine, so I can just list links in the database rather than having to mess with my spastic emailing capabilities.
And Bev's are lovely.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Oh, good. I've been anticipating your stuff, Annie. Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
Um... don't anticipate too hard.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*defies Annie*
*anticipates*
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Lyrhawn, check your email to see if they have since arrived.
For whatever reason, I cannot get into the Yahoo group account at the moment. But I had a thought. We are a fairly small group. How hard would it be for us to create a group track? Our very own Jatraquero Chorus!
First, we decide on a song, like "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" (which has often been sung in a large group). Then one person starts by creating an mp3 file with their voice. Or even better, a guitar background. (Porter could do this--and I think he would like to be involved.) If there is a guitar background, we could even take turns doing solo verses!!
Then the file is passed from person to person, each one adding their own voice to it whether melody or harmony--whichever you are most comfortable doing. This is done by them importing the file into Audacity, and pressing record--thus recording their own voice on top of what is there--then returning it to mp3 form to pass on.
By the end, we have a wonderful piece of music to share with Hatrack!
Whaddya think?
Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
That is SUCH a cool idea! I would love to be involved.
(And would you please send me the Greensleves file? jenagans AT gmail DOT com)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Will do. Do you want to be a member of the yahoo group I created for this? I will send you an invite anyway.
Edit: I see you beat me to it.
[ May 05, 2005, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Dude, bev... I just read this, after I proposed a Round Robin song in the e-mail I sent you!
Great minds think alike, I see. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
And I will be happy to type up lyrics to "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" or any other song so we can all be working from the same lyrics, if anyone needs that. (They're pretty standard lyrics in folk circles, but some people may not know them too well.)
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
If people are willing to do that one (if you don't know it, the melody is pretty easy to catch onto) I will tell Porter to start learning the guitar part (shouldn't take long).
I would sing only *one* of the verses, then sing each chorus. Each new person could add the next verse as well as join in on the chorus on melody or harmony.
Hmmm, maybe before we start adding vocals we will lay down a mandolin and banjo track too!
If you guys don't particularly like this song idea, or have another you really want to do, we can just keep makin' more! Feel free to suggest a song you'd like to do.
[ May 05, 2005, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Just as long as you don't expect me to be the mandolin... I am not at recording skill level yet!
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I certainly won't be doing any solos on mandolin... just backup. Hopefully I can handle that. I'm not all that great myself. Porter has picked up his instruments faster than me--partly because he is so dedicated about practicing. I am scanty at best. But he plays both guitar and banjo decently well now.
Edit: If I can catch my sis-in-law with enough time, we might even have a bit-o fiddle!
[ May 05, 2005, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Ooooooh! Fiddle!
I hear you on the "no practice time"; I can't hardly pick up the mandolin without something breaking or screaming starting, or, you know, stuff happening to prevent my practicing.
If you sing lead on the chorus, Bev, I will sing harmony-- I have a standard one I sing anyway. Actually, two, depending on whether the group needs more low or high harmonies. And I will definitely sing a verse. (Ooh! Can I have "I told the undertaker"? I like that verse!)
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*gets all excited*
It's like a virtual jam session!
We could do several over time, and have a whole Hatrack album that could be burned to CD!
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I don't know "Will The Circle Be Unbroken"...
...but I'm sure I can pick it up pretty fast! Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
quote:Feel free to suggest a song you'd like to do.
Heal the World!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I was standin' by my window On one cold and cloudy day, When I saw the hearse a-comin' For to carry my mother away.
Chorus: Will the circle be unbroken By and by, Lord, by and by? There's a better home a-waitin' In the sky, Lord, in the sky.
Well I told the undertaker, "Undertaker, please drive slow, For that body you are haulin', Lord, I hate to see her go."
Chorus
Well, I followed close behind her, Tried to hold up and be brave, But I could not hide my sorrow When they laid her in her grave.
Chorus
Went back home, Lord, my home was lonesome Since my mother, she was gone. All my brothers, sisters cryin', What a home so sad and lone.
Chorus x 2
(Of course, these are the folk lyrics most often sung, popularized by the Carter Family. Originally, it was actually a hymn with a slightly different tune. The folk process at work, folks. But if you are at a jam and someone calls out, "'Will the Circle be Unbroken' in G", you're going to be singing the folk version, not the hymn.)
[ May 05, 2005, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
w00t! This will totally be like a virtual jam session! And I would love to see us fill a CD!
*excited*
I will let you know when our side is ready to go. I will send it to KQ next, (you can do the undertaker verse, that is the next one, right?)
That means we have two more openings for verse solos, and anyone is welcome to add to what is there. Should we send it out to everyone each step of the way? We can send to Teshi next, then Annie, if she wants. And "Heal the World" (which I don't know yet) can be our next project!
*goes to prepare*
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
May I make a suggestion? I linked to that MIDI because it seemed like a pretty decent approximation of the tune, but it's a little tiny smidge faster than I think it should be sung. It shouldn't be a dirge, but it should be slow enough that no one has trouble fitting the words in.
Of course, the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's version is "industry standard", so you are welcome to do it at their tempo. Or you can just do whatever. I'll shut up now, as Porter's the guitarist here.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
In the area we live, people of all ages and skill levels get together from all over to play bluegrass together. This is kind of a standard song that we end with. We do it slower than the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, but not too slow. I imagine Porter will want to take the speed about like that.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
And we might want to agree on a key, too. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Oh, that's perfect. I like it just a bit slower than them Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
This sounds complicated. But I'm in.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
(And that sounds like the group I grew up jamming with. We always sang it when the first group of people were about to go; the very last communal song of the night was usually "Goodnight, Irene", when the late leavers were ready to go. I am so looking forward to moving back; I miss my folk/bluegrass/blues jams.)
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Adam, do you sing baritone? With so many women, we could use a good baritone/bass (although it wouldn't have to be too low, since, again, so many women...)
Posted by Eruve Nandiriel (Member # 5677) on :
A Hatrack choir would be really cool! I actually suggested it a while back, but we never really started anything.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I'm not trying to be bossy... <_< >_>
I'm just excited. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I've got pretty decent range. I'm sure I could sing low enough (well enough) for it to sound good.
And Beverly, got your songs and listened to them. Really liked Greensleaves. The Zebra song is cute. Come thou fount is a bit outside what I tend to listen to, but you still sang it very well.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
An update: Porter laid down some guitar sound. We need a steady beat and consistency, so he laid down a lot, and I have been editing it for the past hour or so. I think I finally have a working model upon which we can build everything.
A quick note: Each new track we lay down might add "noise" to the overall file. There is a noise reduction feature in the effects menu. What you do is select a few seconds of nothing but the ambient noise in your room. If you are recording at a computer like most of us, your computer may be the main source of this noise. You then select your whole new track (have it be separate at this point) and tell it to remove noise.
But be careful!! Set it on low or else you will get a "hollow", distorted sound.
Hopefully this way we won't have a crazy build up of noise.
Oh, and just FYI, the chorus will be sung twice through the very last time.
I will let you know when we are ready to pass it on!
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Can you give us a "step by step" on how to do that? (Like, go to "file", select...)
I put a note on the group messages about what you need to do in order to record harmonies with yourself, that might bear repeating as well. *is technically inept* *had to look at the documentation to figure out how to record harmony* Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
To avoid the buildup of noise it might be best to keep each track seperate and then mix them together at the end. I have software that can be used to accomplish this and I know twinky does as well. Everyone would have to send their tracks to one person to mix them before we could here it complete though.
I would be willing to do this if people are interested. I could also create several different mixes and add in other instruments/loops. You can contact me through the group if this sounds like a good idea to you. Or just post here.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
We also need to be able to hear what others have laid down, though. Is there a way we can keep them seperate but hear them together, or create two versions-- seperate to be mixed later, and together to listen to while recording? It's very important to keep with each other, I'm sure you know. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm going to need some major technical assistance. I'm not an idiot, just haven't done this before.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Hey, me too! If there's a way to do things that you want done, I will do them-- if given a step-by-step, as described above. Treat me like an idiot, or a five-year-old, or a monkey, I don't care, just give me all the information, so I'll be able to do it.
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
"Heal the World" was a weird sick joke.
Pay no attention to me. Posted by Brian J. Hill (Member # 5346) on :
You could always use your default media player (Windows Media or iTunes) for playback while recording using audacity.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Porter just brought up the very good point that we shouldn't be converting these files into mp3 format and back out again. Repeating that process will ruin the sound. So, assuming we all have Audacity on our computers, we can trade this around in that form which will automatically keep the tracks separate. We should also avoid mixing them all together until the end.
I am not sure exactly how to make them appear as separate tracks *yet*, I will look into it.
As for the noise reduction, I will try to break it down here: First, make sure you have recorded a few seconds of nothing but ambient sound. Click on the beginning and drag across to select that section. Then go to the "Effects" menu and choose "Noise Reduction". If the selection is greyed out, try pressing the yellow "stop" button, or pushing play then stop. That should do the trick.
So, after selecting "noise reduction", it will tell you you need the sample. Since your sample is already selected, just tell it to get the sample. Then go back to the "Effects" menu, choose noise reduction again, making sure you have the slidebar on or near "low" and tell it to remove noise. Then listen to see if you like the effects. At any time you can choose "undo" and try again.
But keep in mind, this noise reduction can be done at the end, as solo said. You can't "un" noise reduce something. So, assuming the problem is mild, solo, do you think we should hold off on that till the end?
Also, this is VERY IMPORTANT: When laying down your track, listen to what is there through headphones. Otherwise the microphone will be picking up what you are hearing also and recording it again and again, amplifying and distorting it. That is bad.
Feel free to correct what I have said here, I am new at this. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Hmmm. Okay, I am for leaving it 'till the end.
I just finished "How Can I Keep From Singing?" if anyone is interested. Will go add to the database now. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
One thing: if you save your project BEFORE you noise reduce, it should be no problem, if you want to "un-noise-reduce" it, to close it down and click "no" when it asks if you want to save changes. It should then revert to saved when you re-open it.
Heck, there may even be a "revert to saved". Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
E-mail me if you want "Come All You Fair and Tender Ladies" (traditional American) and/or "Siúil a Rún" (part in English, part in Gaelic-- which I don't speak but a little of and probably mangled the pronunciation), neither of which describes my love life (happily).
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
KQ, that is a very good point.
Last night I laid down some mandolin tracks. But because of my own lack of experience, it was difficult to run consistent nine times in a row. (4 verses, 5 choruses). So I will do some more edititing involving replacing faulty parts with repetitions of better parts and call it good. Porter says the tempo is just a wee bit fast for him to do clean banjo finger rolls, but we shall see. Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
I think it would be best to do all the noise reduction at the end. I am not a professional by any means, I just like to play around with this stuff. I haven't really used Audacity much so I am not sure of its capabilities.
If you guys need to hear what other people are singing what you can do is save 2 versions, one of just you singing and another of the progressive mix. I can then take the individual tracks and mix them into a final mix at the end (probably using Sony Acid to multitrack it).
Remember, you can always use "Save As" to create additional copies with and without noise reduction (you could name the ones with noise reduction name_nr.
I will take a look at Audacity sometime tonight to see if I can familiarize myself with it. People can send me the individual voice tracks (and the progressive mix if they want) at hatrackFS AT gmail DOT com. I don't check that account regularly though, so contact me through the group as well (I think my yahoo ID is maetic).
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Also, the converting back and forth between mp3 is definitely going to degrade the sound quality. That is why I gave a gmail address so that I can receive bigger files (up to 10MB). I don't know what format is native for Audacity, but the higher quality the original, the better the mix will turn out.
I just checked an it looks like Audacity saves in a proprietary format (aup) by default. You can send these project files to me and I can convert them myself or you can save as wav and send me the wav files. It looks like you can also do all the multitracking right in Audacity if you want to but that might get a little more complicated.
EDIT - aud not aup EDIT AGAIN - apparently I was right in the first place (though I haven't verified it in the actual program)
[ May 06, 2005, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: solo ]
Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
Sorry to post yet again but it looks like I was mistaken.
You can't just send the aup files. Apparently Audacity creates a folder full of .au files as well and the aup file just references that. You could zip this all together into a file archive and send that around but it might be simpler to just use wav as the format. I don't know if this is feasible though as wav files can get very large (I know I said we could use them above, I wasn't really thinking). I can receive email attachments of 10MB through my gmail account so whatever we decide should stay under that size for each file.
quote:Why does Audacity create a folder full of .au files when I save a project?
Audacity breaks long tracks into small pieces so it can edit them more efficiently. When you save a project, Audacity stores all of the pieces in a folder with a name like “project_data.”
You do not need to open these files yourself. Audacity will load them automatically when you open the “project.aup” file, which is saved in the same location as the “data” folder.
EDIT - aud not aup EDIT AGAIN - apparently I was right in the first place (though I haven't verified it in the actual program)
[ May 06, 2005, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: solo ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I vote for keeping them in audacity format, if possible. I am not sure exactly how zipping up the whole "package" will work, but I will try to figure it out. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Yes, solo, could you run us through zipping an Audacity project? It sounds like a good thing to learn. Posted by solo (Member # 3148) on :
I'll try to figure that out as well, though we might still have a file size problem. I can also look into using some of my webspace for files to be sent (via ftp, though you should just be able to drag and drop files in using internet explorer).
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Bev and Dragon, sent out song(s).
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Whoopsie! I finished editing the mandolin track and was experimenting with laying down the first vocal track. What I discovered was there are 10 times through instead of the 9 I had counted before. I missed one in there somewhere!
That means unless I change it, there is one extra chorus. I think sometimes this song starts out with a chorus before the first verse--so I am going to start it that way here and still have the two choruses at the end. Is that OK with everyone?
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Good with me.
I can't wait to get started on this! *is pumped*
[ May 06, 2005, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: ketchupqueen ]
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
KQ, for whatever reason, those songs haven't arrived yet. Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Hellllp! How do I zip up a folder?
I am ready to send it, and there is one file and one folder full of stuff. How do I zip that folder up so that it is a package!
*feels inept*
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
www.technelysium.com.au/winimp.html is a nice freeware zip program. And it's very easy to use, just run the program and pick the files and/or folders to archive and it will put it together into one zip file.
Or you might already have a zip program on your machine.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
I was able to zip it, but the compressed folder is still too large to send.
If anyone can help, that would be great!
Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Why not break up the folder into several pieces? If you have a single file that is too big to email, zipped, there are file splitters that break up files and put them back together.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Hmmm, I will try to see if I can do that. Kind of a pain, though, huh?
Edit: The size is 17.2 MB. What sorts of limits do emails usually have for sending stuff? How small a pieces will it need to be in?
[ May 06, 2005, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I think 10 MB is standard (although I can send more). If you split it in half, that should do it, right?
Morbo, I find it disconcerting that I had the same idea as you, at the same time. O_o Especially after I had the idea at the same time as bev the other day...
I must be getting psychic Hatrack vibes! Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
That's not a bad thing. Posted by Morbo (Member # 5309) on :
Well, kq, you did send me some of your memory. And no disconcerting in a music thread!
You may have to cut-n-paste this address.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Sorry, it is *not* 17.2 MB, (being an idiot again) but 154 MB!!
It would so not be worth it to break that into pieces each time we send it to the next person. This is just insane. There must be a better way....
Edit: I looked in the wrong folder to see the size. The original guitar track only *was* 17.2 MB. The only reason I can think for the size to have grown by an order of magnitude when I only added 2 more tracks is that the data was saving every little editing change I made (I made quite a few to the mandolin track in particular). This seems... unnecessary to me. I have sent an email to audacity to ask for help.
[ May 06, 2005, 05:22 PM: Message edited by: beverly ]
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote: KQ, for whatever reason, those songs haven't arrived yet.
Just noticed this... Are they there yet?
If not, I'll send again; Yahoo has been being dumb.
Also, mentioned on the group but forgot here, my version of "Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing", aka "Anne Kills Her Voice Trying To Find Her Key", is available. It was interesting to me in listening to bev's and Annie's how the "folk process" works; their versions are so similar and yet so different, and both wonderful. So I thought I'd contribute my own, gospel-ly version.
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
No, I got them, I've just been so stressed that I've only been able to listen to the first so far!
Lovely and sad song.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
(((hugs bev)))
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
Thanks. It's been quite a day.
::slumping::
Posted by JenniK (Member # 3939) on :
OK I used this weird recording thing that Kwea has and I did my version of Amazing grace...it's a bit off since I don't even have a pitch pipe here or a monitor to here myself, but I thought it was close... since it's in 2 parts. So what next? I'm going to apply for membership to the yahoo group right now, please add my track to the database.
Or I could add it once I'm approved as a member.
Thanx. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
JenniK... Send it to me... [/jedimindtrick] Posted by Dragon (Member # 3670) on :
Am I singing verse 4 or has someone already claimed it???
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
What do you mean by "folk process"? *curious*
Also, I added four more songs by me. One of them demonstrates perfectly my failings in Spanish diction.
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
Jenni hasas recorded a few more, but they are still "works in progress", but now I am wondering if I should have show her how to use Audacity at all.
She is really cutting into my computer time now!
Kwea
Posted by Annie (Member # 295) on :
If I had a microphone, rather than the piece of junk that's built in to my machine, I'd be really tempted to do some fun stuff with Garage Band.
You should all be glad I don't have a microphone.
Posted by twinky (Member # 693) on :
That snippet I linked was done in GarageBand. There are four of me singing in it.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*bump for Jen*
Full lyrics are on page 3.
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