Ok, I know some people here are conservative, and a lot of them are religious. I am flamingly liberal and spiritual but not religious(just like every other lutheran) but today i discovered something that crossed the line so far that I think everyone who believes in god/jesus and America should be highly offended.
I'm pretty sure it's a joke and is mildly amusing as such. I think it plays on the whole myth (propogated by the Christian right) that if you are Christian, you support Bush. At least I really hope its a joke... Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
quote: Brilliant concept and design. Although I think it looks much better if you rotate it 90 degrees counter-clockwise. Because, frankly... it looks just like a bomb with our beloved President's name on it. I think we'll adopt your wonderful symbol for our next anti-war campaign. And remember, imitation is purest flattery. Thanks again!
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Why do you think it is a joke, ludosti?
This was on the message board:
"Brilliant concept and design. Although I think it looks much better if you rotate it 90 degrees counter-clockwise. Because, frankly... it looks just like a bomb with our beloved President's name on it. I think we'll adopt your wonderful symbol for our next anti-war campaign. And remember, imitation is purest flattery. Thanks again!"
And it really does look like a bomb when turned vertically.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Hey, no fair!!!!!!!!
Posted by DemonGarik (Member # 7793) on :
but then you get people who respond with this-
From: Chris P, (Roswell, GA) Date: May 10, 2005
Sarah, President Bush isn't the Savior. But he IS the best chance we have for returning to a society based on morals and traditional family values. And I think that's what the BushFish is saying. For me, it's a sign that I'm a Christian Republican and nothing more. God Bless.
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Ah, come on, he's from affluent suburban Atlanta; those bushfish will be as thick as flies there.
I should know; I grew up there.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
My in-laws would so buy something like that. >_<
And mean it.
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
Heh, sorry Elizabeth Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
You are so NOT sorry, and know it!
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
Oh, yes, KQ, I'd venture to guess that people that say that and mean it are not at all uncommon.
In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that there are probably people here on Hatrack that would say it and mean it.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Well, I thought it's poking fun at the idea (which Bush supporters like to use) that if you are Christian you should support Bush (which I don't think is the case) - the whole "President Bush is doing The Lord's Work" idea. I didn't delve very deeply into the site, but as I look at it closer now, it seems like they're serious.
"If so, then show your love for God & the USA!" As if loving God and loving your country means loving Bush.
I so love the bomb idea though.... Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
It doesn't smell like a joke. I think there are people out there who'd buy one of these with a straight face.
Posted by kaioshin00 (Member # 3740) on :
You're right, I should embrace my copying/pasting skills, not apologize for them in an attempt to be polite!
Someday you'll be able to CTRL + C like me Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Some day, kaioshin00, some day. As my daughter said when she was three: "I'm going to get to do a lot of things on that day..."
ludosti, I wasn't questioning you, just wondering. I just wondered if you had found a satire alert. Some of the things on landoverbaptist have been sent around as real. On some of those sites, it is harder to tell.
Posted by lem (Member # 6914) on :
I don't think it is a joke, because the side links are all to conservative sites.
Posted by ludosti (Member # 1772) on :
Elizabeth - Yeah I know what you mean. I tend to automatically interpret stuff as satire, but I think, in this case, I was wrong (for the reasons lem said).
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
At least it's less scary than the Soidier Fetus...
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
"Kill, my minions! Kill the interlopers! So says, EMPEROR BUSH!"
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Okay, can the version of this with the Bush fish being swallowed by THE TRUTH fish be THAT far behind? C'mon. Whose got the PhotoShop skills to mock this up???
I'll buy the first one of those off the production line if someone makes it.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
If you would like to see my mock-up, send e-mail.
If you don't know my e-mail, where have you been?
Bscopatz AT data-nexus.com
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
bump
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
I think it has to be a satire. The webmaster edits the comments put up, it says so. No sane relgious right person selling bushfish would put up the comments. Besides, look at the very fist comment, it looks in earnest, but it's a joke: the bushfish is on a Hummer. They're already making a joke about Bush and oil and gas guzzling SUV.
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
Darn. I was hoping this was a spoof of babelfish in which they translate what you say into Bush.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Sorry, but it is NOT satire. At least not intentional satire.
Go look at the page full of links under "Resources." This is not satire at all.
And, frankly, given the rabid nature of the e-mails from some of those folks, I suspect the webmaster is posting the comments as an example of just horrible the left wing is in this country.
People behaving badly just because someone exercises a little free speech.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't like how it links Bush to Jesus.
Does everyone know where the fish thing comes from? (probably, but for anyone who doesn't...)
The fish sign was from early Christianity. Christians would put the fish sign on their doors to indicate where Christians were meeting in secret so Roman persecutors wouldn't find them. The fish sign comes from the Greek word for fish, Ichthus, an acronym from the Greek, "Iesous Christos Theou Uios Soter," or "Jesus Christ the Son of God, Savior."
Sticking BUSH into the middle of that is just wrong, and not just from a separation of church and state point of view.
Posted by Storm Saxon (Member # 3101) on :
I don't buy it. All it would take would be one session of torture for your average Christian to spill the beans about the whole fish thing, and then it would be pretty easy for the Romans to find Christians to route them out. Just look for the fish for lion chow.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
Unless they didn't let on. Torture only works if you ask the right questions in the right way, and then it's unreliable anyway.
All it would take is for people to NOT mention the fish symbol and the Romans would be none the wiser.
Never under-estimate the power of a religious zealot (in the purest sense of that word).
Posted by The Silverblue Sun (Member # 1630) on :
Bush is the right wing Jesus.
He is perfection to them.
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
Way back in my confirmation days I heard a slightly different explanation for the fish symbol, particularly the open-tailed two-curved-lines version. It went something like: If a christian was talking to somebody that he weren't sure was also christian, he'd drag a foot in the ground between the two of them, making a curved line in the dirt with his toe. If the other person was also christian, he would do the same, so the two lines made the fish symbol.
Both explanations could work together, of course.
--Enigmatic (male pronouns used above because "they" seemed overly confusing in this instance and I dislike typing he/she)
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I think both are likely legends with little or no basis in fact, although they sound fun and could be true.
("He" is perfectly appropriate, although it's not very hard to type "s/he". )
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Well, mine comes from my history professor, who speaks 5 and can write/read 11 languages, he's been a professor of history at Michigan State University for more than a decade and now a guest professor at Oakland University for a few years now.
He has decades of experience and is probably the smartest guy I know. I don't think he'd teach us something that has no basis in fact.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
While that makes it more believable, professors teach opinions, personal theories, and very shakily supported information more often than you would think.
Posted by Enigmatic (Member # 7785) on :
*deep breath*
Little or no basis in fact? We ARE talking about Christianity here, after all!
*runs*
--Enigmatic (Is of course just kidding. And just realized you could replace "Christianity" with "George W. Bush" in that last joke for double word score.)
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