Someone had to say it. It's gotten a bit silly, even for Stargate. SG-1 is totally broken up, and we are introduced to yet another Evil Alien Race (tm).
I mourn.
I hear SGA is pretty good, but it's just not the same.
*watches Firefly DVDs some more. Feels a bit better*
Posted by Angiomorphism (Member # 8184) on :
SGA is spectacular. My roomate and I watched it nonstop last year in residence, and now we are eagerly downloading every new episode each week they come out.
Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
Hey, at least there's still Battlestar Galactica.
--j_k
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
The fact that the above quote came from Captain Kirk amuses me to no end.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I think as soon as Richard Dean Anderson announced he was leaving, everyone knew the show was lining up it's run to jump the shark.
SGA is very good I think. I haven't watched every single episode, but the ones I've seen are very good.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
See, I personally really like the temporary female replacement. It's a bit racier (if you can even call it that) than SG-1 normally is. And it's not really like the show was ever un-silly, as you mentioned.
SGA is... well... fun, I guess. I don't really watch the Stargates for television fulfillment, more for the fact that they're easy watching. I don't really need to think when I'm watching them, unless I'm trying to remember how the mythology actually goes Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
Don't you malign my Stargate. *glare*
I was extremely worried about S9, what with two cast members leaving (one only temporarily), four joining the crew, and a new alien species. Yet it has so far exceeded my expectations.
The Ori fit in with the previous mythology and add a new dimension to the 'false gods' theme. Colonel Mitchell is not trying to be a carbon copy of O'Neill. Vala is more than entertaining enough to make up for any additional silliness.
So far, S9 is better than the majority of S8. In many ways, it's a different show. Instead of trying to continue the old plotlines and formulas (which bogged down S8), they're taking the world of Stargate and heading in a new direction. Much to my surprise, I like it. So hands off. Posted by Cr1spy (Member # 8407) on :
I have enjoyed myself. It was always meant to be light and fun. I would rather forgo all of the Farscape ties myself. I am growing increasingly bored with all of the Farscape fans coming on board now. If I have to hear "its not as good as Farscape" again I will have to go postal on somebody.
Enjoy it for what it is. If its not for you, shut up and don't watch!
Maybe thats a bit harsh for this particular thread, but I needed an outlet.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
*averts eyes from S8/9 spoilers*
I refuse to believe it! I love that show!
Posted by Jay (Member # 5786) on :
Dittos to Miro!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Come on. No show has ever gone past five seasons without jumping the shark.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I disagree. I think Star Trek: The Next Generation ended at its peak (season seven). Deep Space Nine did pretty well; I wouldn't say it actually jumped the shark, but it didn't maintain its integrity quite like TNG did.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
ST:TNG jumped the shark when Brent Spiner threatened to leave if they didn't give him more interesting roles to play (IIRC, between seasons 5 and 6).
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
So giving a character more intersting roles constitutes jumping the shark? If you didn't know that bit of behind-the-scenes trivia, would you have noticed a different on the show?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Yeah. I noticed that the scripts were better. (I like Data and I love seasons 6 and 7). Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
I really hated the later TNG episodes featuring ensign Roe. And yet, Major Kira is one of my favorite trek characters. Go figure.
DS9's last two seasons was excellent drama. However, with the entire focus on the Dominon Wars, DS9 kind of lost the sense of wonder and exploration one usually associates with Star Trek.
Posted by raventh1 (Member # 3750) on :
No no NO! Ben Browder and Claudia Black jumped the shark!
I didn't really like SG-1 until this happened. SGA was good for the first half of the first season and then died quickly. No wonder Sci-Fi cuts the seasons in half, They don't want you to remember how good it was before.
Battlestar Galactica however is simply amazing.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
*averts eyes with rivka* *eyes up rivka's hair instead*
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:So giving a character more intersting roles constitutes jumping the shark? If you didn't know that bit of behind-the-scenes trivia, would you have noticed a different on the show?
No, that doesn't constitute jumping the shark.
But with ST:TNG, that's when it happened.
Yes, I would have noticed it.
Do you remember the episode with Worf and Alexander on the holodeck where everbody else was Data? :shudder:
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
As I think about it, I realize that the way I watched the different seasons has made a big difference in how I view them.
I watched the first five seasons in junior high and high school. I watched it pretty faithfully and loved it.
Then I went off to college. It was close to ten years before I got to see those last two seasons in syndication.
Honestly, a lot of the ST:TNG episodes throughout the entire show were pretty lame. But it's easy to forgive them because I loved them so much when I was younger.
You know -- the same thing we do with A New Hope. Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Ya know, I used to HATE Stargate SG1. Stupid acting and plots and stuff... Give me Babylon 5 any day! But SG1 slowly grew on me... didn't want it to.. but a few times I was stuck watching a few marathons...and it's been on for so long that I finally saw enough episodes to get me involved with the characters and the races.
Who knew that SG1 would have survived so long! I think the Farscape people joining the show is a cool idea.
As for SG Atlantis... most of last season was REALLY dumb. This new season is a little better. I can't wait till both plotlines finally join up. That will be REALLY cool.
Like...really.
[ August 09, 2005, 02:56 AM: Message edited by: Telperion the Silver ]
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*gives Karl B5*
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
A lot of TNG was lame, but it was the first of a new generation of Trek, I give it a break. It set the stage for pretty much everything that came after it. Many agree that Picard is still the best captain, though personally the Defiant is still my favorite ship.
DS9 is my favorite series. I love the characters, the mix of comedy and action. Obviously it loses it's sense of "adventure," they knew they were losing that when they set the series on a fixed point in space on a space station. They were never meant to explore like TNG was. I thought the war was very good, and the space battles were some of the sweetest in sci fi at the time.
Bashir and Chief O'Brian, and sometimes Garak were a great storyline, as was Odo and Quark. Every character seemed to have a special kind of relationship with every other character, which made mixing and matching very rich in terms of story arcs and character development.
As for Stargate, I haven't seen past Season 4. I'm slowly getting through them, but I'm borrowing the DVDs from a friend, so it's a slow process.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
I used to be into DS9. That is until I realized that it was in the end a pale ripoff of B5. Couldn't bring myself to watch it much after that.
*takes B5 from Porter*
Mmmmm... The Narn/Centauri War is so much better than the Cardassian/Klingon War.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Lyrhawn, you need Netflix! Posted by Beren One Hand (Member # 3403) on :
quote:Bashir: So of the stories you told me, which ones were true? Garak: My dear doctor, all of them were true. Bashir: What about the lies? Garak: Especially the lies.
quote:Garak: The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.
quote:Bashir: They broke seven of your transverse ribs and fractured your clavicle! Garak: Ah, but I got off several cutting remarks which no doubt did serious damage to their egos.
quote:Garak's impression of Bashir's Holodeck Bond lifestyle: I think I joined the wrong intelligence service.
quote:Odo: You'd shoot a man in the back? Garak: It's the safest way, isn't it?
I love Garak. Posted by DF2506 (Member # 6847) on :
I'm enjoying this new season of Stargate SG-1 ALOT.
Ben Browder has been really good in it and Claudia Black has been alot of fun. I'll miss her when she leaves. She's a lot more interesting, imo, then Carter. I wish they'd keep Claudia and let Carter go. lol.
I think Black has excellent chemistry with Ben and Micheal Shanks! Its been fun to watch those three on SG-1.
Speaking of Shanks, he has been good this season too. Christopher Judge is the only one who hasn't had much to do so far...
I also like the new general alot. I don't miss Anderson either. I mean, I like Anderson, but I like Ben Browder better and I think he fits in well with the series. This season so far, imo, is a lot more interesting then season 8 too.
Oh I think that the new enemy is interesting too. Lots of potential.
As for Atlantis, season 1 was really good for the most part, imo.
I'm not sure about season 2 yet though. The storyline with Ford is kind of interesting (though it doesn't make total sense if you think about it too long, imo) and the new guy is kind of interesting.
And the last episode, with McKay, was hilarous.
But, I've been enjoying SG-1 alot more!
Of course, Battlestar Galatica beats them both up. lol. What an amazing series.
Still, Friday night with Firefly, Stargate, Atlantis, and Battlestar is the best night of Sci-Fi ever, imo.
DF2506 " The only thing that could possibly make it better would be if my all-time favorite Farscape was to come back and join the night. Of course, I very much doubt that with Ben being busy on Stargate. lol."
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Yes... BSG is DA BOMB. Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
SPOILERS for season 8 and very general spoilers for season 9 . . . . *sigh* I haven't seen S9 yet, since I don't have cable at home. If I start watching the episodes they're playing now, am I going to see huge spoilers that I'll regret seeing?
Season 8 had some indications that the show was going to jump the shark. It also had the Reckoning episodes though, which were absolutely amazing (and would have been a better season finale than Moebius). I still have hope for season nine, although I disliked Prometheus Unbound and therefore don't hold out hope that I'll like Vala's expanded role. I also am unsure about the complete lack of Jack, and Sam's absence early on. That's half the old team gone. Well, I warmed up to Jonas pretty quickly, so maybe I'll like this new team now.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
I think that if you are an intelligent tv watcher it's hard to maintain that initial love of a particular show because of the fact that you get used to predicting how this show is going to work.
Also, inevitably, a long run is going to modify the characters and the storyline. It's sad but... not surprising.
Posted by Miro (Member # 1178) on :
quote:Originally posted by DF2506: Ben Browder has been really good in it and Claudia Black has been alot of fun. I'll miss her when she leaves. She's a lot more interesting, imo, then Carter. I wish they'd keep Claudia and let Carter go. lol.
Grrr.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: As I think about it, I realize that the way I watched the different seasons has made a big difference in how I view them.
I watched the first five seasons in junior high and high school. I watched it pretty faithfully and loved it.
Then I went off to college. It was close to ten years before I got to see those last two seasons in syndication.
Honestly, a lot of the ST:TNG episodes throughout the entire show were pretty lame. But it's easy to forgive them because I loved them so much when I was younger.
You know -- the same thing we do with A New Hope.
Once again, Porter speaks the truth. There were always lame Star Trek episodes (in every series), but we ignored them because we loved them. Except Voyager. It sucked too much to be forgiven.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Voyager eventually became a decent show, it just had a horribly weak start that ground on for seasons, and a relatively weak finish. There was some good stuff in there though.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
lol I forgot how much I love Garak.
I stopped watching B5 after awhile, just didn't have time for it anymore. How much of B5 is out on DVD?
Posted by Human (Member # 2985) on :
All of it's out, plus the movies. I think B5 is actually my favorite TV show to date, just 'cause there's no show out there that's pulled off that kind of epic sweep and arc. I love the Shadow War, Sheridan, the Human war, all of that. Tis very, very cool.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Noemon: Voyager eventually became a decent show, it just had a horribly weak start that ground on for seasons, and a relatively weak finish. There was some good stuff in there though.
Things got better once they dropped the whole "Is this the week that they'll get home?" bit, but I was too frustrated with a lot of other aspects to enjoy it. They dropped too many of the initial storylines, and I think they wasted Seven of Nine's character. Then, of course, they had the most spectacularly stupid series finale ever.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
They could have done more with 7 of 9's character, but even so Jeri Ryan (is that how you spell it? Jerry Ryan maybe?) was one of the two best things about that show. When they first brought her on I was irritated because of the obvious eye-candy reasons for doing so, but she turned out to be one of the show's two best actors.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
The first spelling was correct. She was indeed one of the best actors on the show, which is why I was so frustrated with what they were doing (or rather, what they weren't doing) with her character. It felt like a whole lot of untapped potential. The sudden romance with Chakotay in the finale just proved that the writers didn't know what to do with her.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
They set up a romance between Chakotay and Janeway through the first what, 5 seasons of the show? Then they abruptly changed course. Didn't make a lot of sense.
The Doctor was always my favorite character.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
(I liked Voyager.) *cough*
quote:Honestly, a lot of the ST:TNG episodes throughout the entire show were pretty lame. But it's easy to forgive them because I loved them so much when I was younger.
You just have no sense of loyalty Porter. I love TNG just as much now as I did when I was in high school. How dare you insinuate that the series wasn't as good as you remember it? It is as good!! Perhaps your adult cynicism was the cause of your not liking the show. Hm??
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Dude. Go back and watch season one of ST:TNG. It is lame.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:The Doctor was always my favorite character.
Mine too, except for the lame explinations they gave for him.
Honestly -- why was it impossible for them to make a backup of the doctor's program?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
See now Porter, there you go changing your mind. You mentioned the seasons 6 and 7 weren't as cool when you went back and watched them later in your life and that's what I was referring to when I said you were disloyal.
(I'm not a fan of season 1 either. Encounter at Far Point makes me cringe. But I have to say that I hate season 2 even MORE because of that stupid Dr. ARGH! I HATE HER!!)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I must have misunderstood you.
Regarding Dr. Polaski -- it's interesting that she was given almost the exact same personality as Dr. Bones on TOS. People can handle a cranky guy (people loved Bones), but it comes across as bitchy when it's a woman doing it.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Honestly -- why was it impossible for them to make a backup of the doctor's program?
Because of a bunch of sciency reasons that you don't understand. It involves matrices and chronometric particle flux, I think.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Porter, you know I'm just jabbing you with my sharp and annoying stick, don't you? Just for fun? (I really DON'T think that you're disloyal...well, only a little I guess.)
I didn't see her as cranky, like Bones was. I saw her as patronizing and rude with no sense of humor. She "just bothers me." Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Honestly -- why was it impossible for them to make a backup of the doctor's program?
Because of a bunch of sciency reasons that you don't understand. It involves matrices and chronometric particle flux, I think.
Exactly. Because it was convenient for the story, not because it made any kind of sense.
Kinda like how convenient it was that they weren't able to make another Data. Or another 1,000,000 Datas.
But this is one of the big weaknesses of ST in general -- creating technologies that conveniently fit the current plot necessities.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Yep. If I can take an image of my hard drive and put that image on a new hard drive, why can't they image Data's positronic brain and replicate it? When they tried that on B4, he had to "integrate" all the information. My hard drive didn't have to integrate any information; it was already "integrated."
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
It seems that every other episode introduced a new technology that, if taken to it's conclusion, would spell an end to the ST universe as we know it.
How many "completletely new" forms of life were created on the Enterprise that were never heard from ever again?
Even though they could be really useful?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I can't talk to you guys any more. You're ruining my childhood. And the rest of my life for that matter.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Who knew her life was built on such a flimsy foundation?
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
*thwap* It's my parents' fault.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*deflect* I don't see why you should get on my case about it then.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: It seems that every other episode introduced a new technology that, if taken to it's conclusion, would spell an end to the ST universe as we know it.
Not to mention all the underlying technology, too. There are all kinds of inconsistencies and gaping holes. They can take someone apart particle by particle, turn them into energy and back, and then put them back together, but they can't take energy and turn it into real food? With beaming technology, you could easily make copies of someone. If someone gets a rare alien virus, you just beam them somewhere and filter out the virus. If invaders board the ship, just beam them into the pattern buffer and never rematerialize them. Most of the transporter accidents were ludicrously illogical, too.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Actually, they do take energy and turn it into real food. That's what the replicators do.
quote:Most of the transporter accidents were ludicrously illogical, too.
If those transporter accidents can happen accidentally, they should be able to do it on purpose. That technology would quickly make the federation a place that us 20th century types could no longer relate to.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
*scared* You sound like you're getting offended Porter. Sorry if that's the case, I thought I had inserted enough silly and ditzy for you to know that I'm just giving you a hard time. (And if that's annoying, sorry again. )
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I thought that people were always complaining about replicator food, saying that it's all synthetic protein and stuff like that and that it doesn't taste as good as real food. I always got the impression that it was high-tech tofu.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Narnia, you haven't offended me in the slightest.
It's all been in fun and good nature, I promise you.
I'm trying to imagine a situation where you could ever offend me. It's not coming.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
Good.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
It's just Porter's Vulcan-style joke delivery. He sounds all serious and hyper-literal, but he's really not. Just imagine all his posts read in Leonard Nimoy's voice.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
If only...
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
That's awesome. Porter, you should be Leonard Nimoy in the character thread over on GC. And you should kick Kathleen Kelly's behind.
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I love that show!
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