I like watching Deep Space 9 before I have to leave for work. When I wanted to watch it this morning, it was that crappy show MacGyver instead! Yes, I said crappy. I don't like that show, I don't know why, but I don't.
Now I have to buy DS9 on DVD just to see whole episodes.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
And that's going to cost you.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Vger is better than DS9!!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I'm annoyed too. DS9 is not on during the time I watch Spike. :angry:
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Don't you people own VCRs? Sheesh, just tape the three episodes they have on a day and watch one of them tomorrow at 11:00.
(And I agree, Voyager was better than DS9.)
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Although, if you look at the google ad at the bottom of the page, you can buy the entire series for $224.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
*tear I don't have a TV or cable.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
What's a VCR?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kayla: And I agree, Voyager was better than DS9.
Every time someone says that, I die a little inside.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
TNG was better than both!
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
To tell the truth, I don't know which I would rather watch.
Voygaer is deeply flawed in many ways, but it also has some delightful characters.
While I find DS9 is pretty bland across the board.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I greatly enjoy Tuvok and the Captain. In my opinion, the show didn't really pick up until the 4th season when they lost Kess (ugh) and got Seven (yay!).
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I enjoyed DS9 when everyone pulled the sticks out of their respective a$$es and the funny began. (That also had to happen with TNG and Voyager, but it was especially pronounced on DS9). The funny on DS9 is some of the best Trek funny there is.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
True, Narnia. Even later on in the seris, Sisko was horribly boring and monotonous.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
DS9 was a far better series. Voyager was all about gimmicks, like bringing in Seven of Nine, because we got sick of them fighting the same bad guys for the first three years. Tuvok was your average boring Vulcan, Tores your average hot headed Klingon. It's all been done before.
The only character of significance on that show was Robert Picardo as "the doctor." Don't get me wrong, I liked the show, but the series finale was probably the worst in Star Trek lore.
DS9 struggled a bit in the earlier seasons, but by four, I think it was a strong show. They worked out their balance of comedy and action, had some sweet space battles and great plots, and dealt with some real character development, as well as the long awaited romance between Kira and Odo. Also, bringing James Darren on as Vic Fontaine was just awesome!
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
In class tomorrow we get to watch the Star Trek episode about Gilgamesh. I'm quite excited.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
Darmok?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
"Darmok"
Excellent episode.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: DS9 was a far better series. Voyager was all about gimmicks, like bringing in Seven of Nine, because we got sick of them fighting the same bad guys for the first three years. Tuvok was your average boring Vulcan, Tores your average hot headed Klingon. It's all been done before.
The only character of significance on that show was Robert Picardo as "the doctor." Don't get me wrong, I liked the show, but the series finale was probably the worst in Star Trek lore.
I agree with your assessment of Voyager—it had all been done before. The Doctor and Seven were interesting characters, but I think they were wasted.
Also, I think the finale was one of the worst in TV lore.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The fact that Darmok was an excellent ST episode just goes to show how weak the vast majority are.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
But we love them just the same.
Posted by Narnia (Member # 1071) on :
I hated Darmok. I wanted to wring that guy's neck by the end of the episode.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Narnia -
Temba, his fists unfurled! Shaka, when the walls fell.
The reason Darmok is such a good episode is really a history lesson. Heroic epics like Gilgamesh and similar stories from hundreds of other cultures are about common threads that weave through the combined history of man. Most societies have a flood epic as well. The old tales from ancient cultures, regardless of whether or not they are true, are there to convey a truth, and an idea.
Darmok shows that two totally seperate cultures, with languages that don't remotely match up, can still find common ground because they share a common purpose and idea.
Thus, great episode.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The reason why Darmok is such a bad episode is that it doesn't make sense on it's face.
It just wasn't believable that you could have an entire culture that wasn't about to communicate anything except through metaphor.
The thing only makes sense if you accept the entire episode as a metaphor.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
Are you bad-mouthing MacGyver? I mean, the plots are stupid, but we get to look at Richard Dean Anderson for an hour. There is nothing bad about that (although I think he's even hotter with grey hair...)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
well geuss what, Babylon 5 beats ALL THREE OF THEM HANDS EFFING DOWN!
Seriously, Babylon 5 I consider has the better character/plot/story development, but ST has the better epidsode by episode development.
Like To rephrase Bab5 was better when you watched like 2-3 in a row, Star Trek you could watch generally ANY random episode and have fun, Bab5 you have to watch inorder. IMHO.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
kq -
Didn't you have the dream that you married Hammond? I'm beginning to think this SG-1 fixation is unhealthy.
Porter -
It's still feasible. For all we know, their technology is expressed entirely numerically, or there is a seperate set of metaphors and language sets for other kinds of communication. Maybe this is a specific test they do when meeting new cultures as a test of their new friends' ability to adapt. We don't know enough about the Tammarians to assume their entire culture is based on the metaphorical aspects of a single epic story.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:kq -
Didn't you have the dream that you married Hammond? I'm beginning to think this SG-1 fixation is unhealthy.
Yes, but I don't consciously think he's hot. Now, Anderson, he is HOT. (Not, you know, Frisco hot, but up there.)
And of course this is an unhealthy fixation. But what did you expect?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
If I was drinking soda right now I'ld sue you for causing me to hypothetically wreck my screen + keyboard.
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
I waited too long.
Originally Posted by kojabu
quote:Vger is better than DS9!!
No, it isn't. I liked Voyager, but it was as predictable as the alphabet.
Blayne, I've heard that Babylon 5 is better, but I don't care. I like Star Trek, and it's only TV. I might watch Babylon 5 some day, though.
Originally Posted by Lyrhawn
quote:DS9 struggled a bit in the earlier seasons, but by four, I think it was a strong show. They worked out their balance of comedy and action, had some sweet space battles and great plots, and dealt with some real character development, as well as the long awaited romance between Kira and Odo. Also, bringing James Darren on as Vic Fontaine was just awesome!
I agree. The characters and plots are the biggest reasons I like DS9. It is really interesting. I think I'm angry mostly because I didn't start watching the show until a few months ago. I was channel surfing and a Star Trek show popped on. It just happened to be DS9. I quickly grew to enjoy it.
The only episode I didn't like was the stupid one where everyone got confused and started using unintelligible sentences. That was awful!
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
quote:No, it isn't. I liked Voyager, but it was as predictable as the alphabet.
Since when is the alphabet predictable?
I liked VOY better than DS9, mostly because the only episode of DS9 I've ever seen is the finale (which is really very good, but when you have no idea who anyone is and/or why they're doing the things they are, it's a little hard). I was with VOY from the very beginning to the bitter, horrible, awful end.
TNG does, in fact, trump the two of them put together.
And kq, there's no such thing as an unhealthy SG-1 obsession. Unless you're actually stalking Hammond. Then I might have to ask a few tough questions... Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
quote:The thing only makes sense if you accept the entire episode as a metaphor.
It makes sense if you're willing to accept outside-the-box thinking. As Spock used to say, "There are always possibilities."
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:And kq, there's no such thing as an unhealthy SG-1 obsession. Unless you're actually stalking Hammond. Then I might have to ask a few tough questions...
Ummmm... I take the fifth.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:t's still feasible. For all we know, their technology is expressed entirely numerically, or there is a seperate set of metaphors and language sets for other kinds of communication. Maybe this is a specific test they do when meeting new cultures as a test of their new friends' ability to adapt. We don't know enough about the Tammarians to assume their entire culture is based on the metaphorical aspects of a single epic story.
I believe that if you have to make up excuses that are not even hinted at in the story in order to make the story make sense (like you have to do with Star Wars), it is indicative of a failure in storytelling.
I still say that the story of Darmok, as shown in the episode just doesn't make sense.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
Agreed. I love it anyway.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Fair enough. Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote: Babylon 5 beats ALL THREE OF THEM HANDS EFFING DOWN!
My brother-in-law holds the same view, so I finally let him talk me into watching a Bablyon 5 movie thing. It was so boring I wanted to claw my eyes out.
And I think DS9 was by far the best (at least the last couple of seasons). The character development and ongoing plots were incredible. Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
Clearly he wasn't saying that voyager is better, but that vger is better -- from ST:TMP
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Battlestar Galactica.
Actually, I want to watch DS9 in its entirety. However, the DVDs are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by fugu13: Clearly he wasn't saying that voyager is better, but that vger is better -- from ST:TMP
wait who said that?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Hopefully, no one.
Posted by Avatar300 (Member # 5108) on :
quote:Since when is the alphabet predictable?
SPOILERS!!!
The last letter is always 'z'
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
Star Trek is dead. It's time to let it go.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
No! It shall live in our hearts forever! And in my class today!
Posted by Shmuel (Member # 7586) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: Actually, I want to watch DS9 in its entirety. However, the DVDs are prohibitively expensive.
And that is why God inspired Netflix.
(I'm working my way through several other series that way, myself.)
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Of all the Star Trek series, Deep Space Nine was the most disappointing. It was like a soap opera, they didn't go out asplorin', they just stayed home all the time.
The Next Generation was the best of the lot. Better than the original, better than all the rest. That Picard! What a guy!
Voyager improved when they let Kes off the ship and took on Seven of Nine. Seven! Whoa! I'd like to think that centuries from now we will have advanced to a point where we will all be walking around our space ships in skin tight catsuits and high heels.
I haven't seen such a practical space suit since "Barbarella".
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
True, but the borg outfit used to cause her to pass out. And it even after she was down to (what looked like nearly nothing) it still took 20 minutes to get into (and people to help her) which made going to the bathroom a big ordeal.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote: Deep Space Nine was the most disappointing. It was like a soap opera, they didn't go out asplorin
Funny, that's what I liked so much about it.
And I talked to my brother-in-law. He says the Babylon 5 movie I watched was quickly made as a summary of all that had happened when the show changed networks. My sister got it for him at the dollar store . Given this new knowledge, maybe I should give it another chance. Any particular seasons/ episodes I should watch to get a feel for the show?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
The Bab5 movies aren't very good.
And Babylon 5 is my favorite TV show ever.
We had a list here on hatrack of which season 1 episodes were safe to skip (there were some big stinkers in season 1).
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
true season 1 was slow, 3 abd 4 were amazing.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Star Trek isn't dead. It's resting.
Enterprise was a horrible idea for a show. They need to go back to the timeline we all fell in love with, which is to say, way after phasers and transporters, and not back when Andorians were a worthwhile enemy.
I like the idea of Star Trek Away Team, focus on a show about enlisted officers instead of the higher level command crew we usually get. Or Star Trek CSI, or a Star Trek JAG, but that risks becoming less about Star Trek and more about the CSI angle. Or Star Trek Starfleet Academy, but that risks becoming the OC in a Star Trek setting.
There are plenty of ideas.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
If they bring back Treck, I hope that they do it without any A) time travel or B) holodecks.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I don't mind holodeck, and time travel can be fun.
But when they use it to excess, I think it takes away from the show.
Did anyone here really not like "Trouble with Tribbles" the DS9 episode?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
*raises hand*
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Really? Why not?
Posted by dawnmaria (Member # 4142) on :
The best TNG episode was " Inner Light", where Picard lives a whole other life in 25 minutes. It never fails to make me cry at the end when he says "It's me you're going to find!"
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
DM -- that was a great episode.
Lyr -- I don't have time to respond right now, and I'll be away form the comp for a few days starting now. Sorry.
Posted by Hamson (Member # 7808) on :
quote: I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Your kidding, right?
The flyby of the ship lasted at least 10 minutes.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
When we get a new Voyager DVD in the mail, I always tell my son, "Veeger came!" He thinks I'm nuts. One of these days, I'm gonna make him watch TMP.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
quote: The best TNG episode was " Inner Light", where Picard lives a whole other life in 25 minutes. It never fails to make me cry at the end when he says "It's me you're going to find!"
That's the one where he gets hit by the probe and learns how to play that tin flute and his planet gets wiped out but at the end they launch that probe, the one that ends up bringing him there to begin with?
I like how they bring the flute back in later episodes. That was a good episode, and a nice PSA at the same time.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
That is my favorite, too, as I've mentioned numerous time. It's also the favorite of Wil Wheaton.
I also like the Drumhead, when there's a sort of witchunt thing going on in Starfleet that ends up on the Enterprise. The Best of Both Worlds is also good. So's Chain of Command.
Um...not that I'm a fan or anything. *shuffles off*
quote:One of these days, I'm gonna make him watch TMP.
Make sure he's done something really really bad.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I love the series finale of TNG. All Good Things. Even though I know it's an obvious favorite. Wolf 359 is good too. I don't know many of the titles of the episodes.
Pound for pound, I think TNG is the best series. DS9 is best if you like the action/comedy angle. TNG is the best if you like the quality, especially over the course of the show, it never wavered.
VOY is best if, you like Jeri Ryan? Other than that, I don't think it wins any caption awards.
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Wolf 359 was the two parter "Best of Both Worlds."
All Good Things was pretty good.
I didn't like much of the first season. But "The Naked Now" makes me giggle. That's the one where they had some virus that made them all act like they were hammered. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
In what episode did Sisko and Picard meet and talk about Sisko's wife?
I've only ever seen flashback sequences of that, but I never saw it happen.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
In order to work, Enterprise should have made the characters and the ships workings more haphazard. More confused. More ductape, if you know what I mean. After all, this is the first ever ship of its kind carrying a bunch of humans into deep space. Can you imagine the mayhem? And yet everyone takes it so calmly and characterlessly.
I realise that they're all supposed to be the creme de la creme, but if the characters start getting bored, we're going to, too.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
The Emissary Part I & II. I think. Not that I know off the top of my head, or anything.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
One of my favourite TNG episodes is "the Measure of a Man" where they have to prove Data's enough of a real man to have a say in anything.
I also love "I, Borg". Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
Another problem with ENterprise is the fact that the characters fell quickly into bland stagnacy. By the end of the first episode, their characters are already starting to blur- doing things that suit the environment, rather than displaying the character they were initially given.
By the end of the second episode, most of these character traits, except their most major ones, are faded. They reappear, sporadically, but not with enough regularity to keep the plots interesting.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I, Borg is the first episode with Hugh right?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Yup.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I liked that. But after the follow up episode, they never touched on it again.
I would have thought it would have been covered in VOY.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I had a friend ask me this question once. Can anyone figure the answer?
In The Next Generation, they are always getting all kinds of food and drinks out of those replicators. Where do all the dishes go? Does Picard have, like, a gazillion teacups and saucers stashed away in a cargo bay?
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
Trek isn't dead, it just needs new caretakers, and ideas. There is no shortage of either one, but no one in Hollywood is looking.
Do all Trek shows have to take place mainly in space? Why not on a new colony? Of course, that is a standard of sci-fi, but Star Trek could do something different with it.
I think a good idea for a movie would be something about the origin of The Borg, but then again, I think the Borg are cool and deserve a story.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Tante -
The replicators create the food by assembling synthesized protein and molecule chains, and then I'm assuming they add flavoring of some sort.
The dishes are also assembled from molecules individually, much in the same way that transporters move people from place to place, only the power that makes replicators work comes from Omicron particles. The dishes are meant to be put back in the replicators to be reabsorbed into the system.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I don't believe I've ever noticed anyone putting the dirty dishes back in to un-replicate.
In the future, do they use the bathroom?
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Yes. There's a head just off the bridge.
(I might have read that in a tech manual).
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Several times in DS9 I saw them put the dishes back, and a couple times in VOY I remember seeing it.
As for a Borg movie, I think First Contact was enough for awhile. I wouldn't want to see the ST movie franchise oversaturated with Borg.
Then again, it might have been better than Nemesis.
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
No, Lyrhawn, I don't mean a movie with principal Star Trek characters and the Borg. I think their origins need to be "explored." It could be a great sci-fi epic involving only The Borg and whoever created them.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by mackillian: I didn't like much of the first season. But "The Naked Now" makes me giggle. That's the one where they had some virus that made them all act like they were hammered.
Heh, and we learn that Data is fully functional. Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
oh I see what you mean. Yes that would be quite interesting.
I think what we would find is a society of cyborgs taking things to the extreme, and then they start to conquer their neighbors.
I'd love to see that story told.
Posted by Derrell (Member # 6062) on :
Am I the only one who didn't like the TNG episodes that featured Q?
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Nope.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
Q bothers me in some episodes, but doesn't bother me in others. I dunno why. I don't really like the pilot for TNG because of Q.
Posted by Dan_raven (Member # 3383) on :
I would love to see a series (though most likely, a book series) based on a Ferengi captain privateer/pirate and his crew of aliens--the Romulan con man, the telepathic accountant, among other things. Kind of like Captain Jack meets Spock.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
I always figured it would be kind of funny if when Picard said "Fire at will", Will Riker would slap him and say "Now cut that out!"
Posted by mackillian (Member # 586) on :
Some of the Q dialogue was priceless. The episode where Q was turned into a human and the crew wouldn't believe him?
Q:...What must I do to convince you people?
Worf: Die.
Q: Oh, very clever, Worf. Eat any good books lately?
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hamson:
quote: I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Your kidding, right?
Nope.
Posted by Kayla (Member # 2403) on :
quote: I don't believe I've ever noticed anyone putting the dirty dishes back in to un-replicate.
We've been watching Voyager through Netflix recently and I'm pretty sure it was Janeway, but I'm not positive, but a character ordered a coffee I think (which is why I think it was Janeway) and something came up and she put it back into the replicator and said "Computer, recycle."
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
quote:but the [VOY] series finale was probably the worst in Star Trek lore.
I'm sorry. I couldn't let this pass. Are you kidding me? Compared to Enterprise's incredibly lame, anticlimactic, meaningless, faux-manipulative series finale?
I have problems with the VOY finale (though over all, I loved the series and the characters, particularly the Doctor and Seven). Mainly that Janeway would change the timeline to same Seven and Tuvok and Chakotay (in the future) but not go back in time a few months before to save the other crew members (like Lt. Kerry, who had been on the series since season 1 and had vied with B'Lanna for the position of chief engineer and the was brought back and then killed in on one of the lamest episodes of VOY history.) That and the fact that it was basically a repeat of an earlier episode where Kim makes it home with Paris (I think) but goes back in time when he is much older to save the rest of the crew.
But come on, Enterprise, while actually doing good episodes during the last couple seasons, really crapped all over that with a final episode whose only purpose, it seemed, was to firmly place it in the ST canon (and attempted- and failed- to be emotional and meaningless with the death of Trip).
And I own the first 2 seasons of ST:TNG, as well as season 6. And let me say that all but a handfull of the first 2 seasons are even watchable. Seriously. Particularly bad is the 'drug'/'drug pushers' PSA episode with Dr. Crusher's histerics over the unfairness. And 6 is pretty good, but again with 4 or 5 super-lame episodes that I seriously never watch.
That's not to say that I didn't love TNG. But even when it was on, there were episodes that were very disappointing- especially the ones where they spent 40 minutes setting up the problem and 5 minutes resolving it (like the 'Devolution' episode.)
All ST has a lot of crap. I just got TOS (1-3). Wow. 20% diamond in a pile of 60% crap and 20% frivolous.
But Enterprise finale is the worst.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
Well, I haven't seen the Enterprise finale, but I can believe that it was worse than Voyager's. After all, I watched most of Voyager, but I never watched more than a couple episodes of Enterprise. I couldn't take any more than that.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
I've heard that Enterprise is the worst of them all. I haven't seen any episodes due to lack of TV, etc, but I might try Netflixing a few just to see what the hype (or lackthereof) is all about.
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
The last bit of enterprise except that involving the season finale was actually very good, they brought a completely new writer on board who moved them to 3 episode story arcs. Those were excellent. Except for a few character and nostalgia moments, the previous episodes were forgettable.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I watched the first five episodes of Enterprise and then stopped, it didn't hold my interest.
But I still can't imagine anything being worse than the weak and silly VOY episode that I'm convinved was written by an eight year old.
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
The last episode of Enterprise was disappointing.
[SPOILERS] Having everyone as a hologram just sucked all the life out them. I was impressed with the few episodes before the final one though.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: But I still can't imagine anything being worse than the weak and silly VOY episode that I'm convinved was written by an eight year old.
Which one are you refering to?
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
The finale.
Posted by the_Somalian (Member # 6688) on :
Best Voyager episode: the two-parter "Year of Hell" with that dad from That 70s Show.
Best star trek season: the final one of DSN.
Star Trek with high ratio of bad-to mediocre-to good episodes: I've never seen the original, so I'll have to go with Voyager.
Worst Star Trek idea: Enterprise.
Had they been a bit more creative they would've found a way to work the story of the first enterprise ship into one of the other shows, but as an idea for an entire self-sustaining program its completely lacking, if only because Star Trek is about the future. Even if it is still within the span of the "future", regressing into it seems a bit un-Star Trek, and the more it went on the more it would've made the universe of Star Trek more confusing.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Yeah of Hell was a freaking awesome two parter. I loved it.
The only episodes I liked as much or more, were the episodes that focused on the doctor.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
Enterprise did get good during the final season. I mean, yeah, it was a bit of a regression (in the ST timeline). But episodes like the one where they find the lost teachings of Sarek and the seeds of change are planted in Vulcan culture, or the 'Earth First' group that occurred just before the finale were good. Good enough that, with some tweaking, that could (and should) have been the finale.
"Year of Hell" was awesome. Other good VOY episodes:
Jetrel: Neelix confronts the creator of a WMD that killed his entire family.
Meld: Tuvok melds with a serial killer in an attempt to understand his rage. The result is that Tuvok's mental control breaks down and we finally see beneath the surface to Tuvok's true feelings for humans and Starfleet.
Tuvix: Tuvok and Neelix become a single person who wants to live and has his own personality. When a way to seperate them comes up, the question of whether it is ethical to do so comes up.
Distant Origin: A species of dinosaur may have evolved into intelligent beings and fled earth millions of years ago and are now in the Delta quadrant. Galileo-esqu and fun.
Scorpion I & II- Seven's first appearance, as well as Species 8472, the only species ever to successfully repel the Borg. An uneasy alliance between VOY and the Borg
Message in a Bottle: The Doctor is sent home via a communications array where he encounters the new Holodoctor, Andy Dick. Absolutely hilarious. Truly.
Living Witness: A look at PC historical revisionism in relation to the 'Voyager encounter' with a racially divided people looking to heal the wounds of the past.
Drone: Seven's a momma and we see what a 29th century Borg might look like. Very moving (similar to Data's Lal)
Equinox I & II- what a weaker starfleet vessel might have done in the Delta quadrant. Janeway finally crosses the line.
Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy- The Doc's new 'daydreaming' routines interfere with his work. So very funny, especially when an alien race taps into the Doc's mind and thinks they're real.
Pathfinder: Barclay (of TNG) helps make contact with Voyager, with some assistance with Deanna Troi. Painful, as all Barclay episodes are.
Memorial: The crew believe they have taken part in a village massacre and are suffering PTS.
Life Line: The Doc's creator is dying and he goes to help him, as well as get his approval.
Body and Soul: The Doc is downloaded into Seven. Seeing Jeri Ryan play the Doctor is priceless.
There a many more, especially Seven's episodes, but I don't want to bore everyone.
Yeah, there were real stinkers. But there were some great episodes, too.
Posted by Tante Shvester (Member # 8202) on :
Thanks for the memories.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
Which was the episode with the planet that the Doctor introduces music to? and he becomes this huge rock star.
I love that episode.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
That sounds like an awesome episode.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I just checked, it's Virtuoso. Voyager comes to the Qomar planet, and while they are being given a tour of the ship, they hear the doctor singing and he becomes an instant star. He starts handing out mini holograms of himself singing and gives the Captain a real hard time.
"Oh come now Katherine." "Katherine? I wasn't aware we were on a first name basis Doctor."
He decides he wants to leave Voyager and be a star full time, and that by not being able to leave, the Captain is restricting his rights. The Captain decides to let him go, and Tom will be the new medical corpsman. But Tinku, the chick on Qomar that he likes, programs a new doctor who has more range and can sing better. So the Doctor freaks out and wants to delete his medical programming to make room for more singing space.
In the end he decides not to go, and sings a beautiful song to say goodbye. It might actually be Robert Picardo, though I doubt it, but he does have formal voice training.
Which is the episode where the Doctor is stuck on a planet that is advancing rapidly through time? Voyager is somehow stuck in their atmosphere, and causes violent earthquakes on the planet. They beam the doctor down for a few seconds, but he comes back after having lived there for 70 years. And eventually they have to try and get themselves out, or they will horribly damage the planet.
Posted by IanO (Member # 186) on :
"Blink of An Eye". Very good episode.
Posted by kojabu (Member # 8042) on :
The episode where the Doctor has a family is a pretty good one too. The Doc and Seven are two of the best characters.
One of my favorite Seven episodes is the one where she starts having multiple personalities (Season 7, I think it's episode 4). There's just some great acting in that one.
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
Great list of episodes, IanO. Those are the best of the series, with "Year of Hell" tops, IMO.
Posted by Carrie (Member # 394) on :
I just found out a friend of mine got all seven seasons of VOY - one of those Asian import things on eBay or whatever. I'm really hoping I can borrow most of them from him, because I miss Voyager like nobody's business. It's more nostalgia for mother-daughter bonding time than missing a quality TV show, but there it is.
And as far as Enterprise goes, the only season I would even consider owning is season 4. All of a sudden there was backstory! These people came from somewhere! And...
...SPOILER...
Malcolm had a shady past! And was secretly SUPER-COOL! Okay, fine, he was always my second-favourite and thus super-cool anyway, but the whole covert ops thing made him infinitely cooler.
Oh, and I loved most of the Q episodes from any series, but was very thankful they didn't cross over onto Enterprise like the stupid Borg.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
hey the Borg thing actually made sense, I explained it very well back in the day when I hung out on the ST forums.
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