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Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Billion dollar deal...

Hopefully, with Eisner gone this will not be a bad thing.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by beverly:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I second that reaction.
 
Posted by Celaeno (Member # 8562) on :
 
For some reason, I'd thought this had already happened.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
It's been in the works for a while.
 
Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
It is suppose to be announced by Pixar tommorrow, if it doesn't fall apart.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
[Frown]
 
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Yeah, they've been in talks for the last couple of years.
 
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
 
After saying how many movies were their last collaberation?
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Oh, shucks.
 
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
 
[Cry]
 
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
 
...ok confused. Who owns Dreamworks and why do we care so much if Disney gets Pixar... I thought Pixar was already just Disney's comp animation studio...
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
But Pixar is so much better than Disney...
 
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
 
Pixar = Excellent
Disney = Terrible

It will corrupt/destroy Pixar.
 
Posted by Lime (Member # 1707) on :
 
Steve Jobs will now be Disney's largest stock holder, and be on their board of directors. It could be good.

Maybe.

I hope.

Alcon: Dreamworks is a Spielberg item, I think. But Pixar was owned by Apple, and was Steve Jobs' baby (after he bought it from ILM).
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
Yeah, that's what I keep hoping, too.
 
Posted by KarlEd (Member # 571) on :
 
I'm hoping this means an improvement for Disney, but I'm preparing myself for the death of an entertainment wonder.

On the other hand, maybe they think Cars is gonna bomb and they want to sell to Disney before their streak officially breaks. [/cynicism]
 
Posted by human_2.0 (Member # 6006) on :
 
Corrupt Steve Jobs? I can only imagine the only future is that Steve Jobs becomes CEO of Disney. I thought he either gets his way, or he throws a temper tantrum and leaves...
 
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
 
"maybe they think Cars is gonna bomb"

Is that really from Pixar? I'm dissapointed.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Yeah, I think Cars is gonna bomb, too, unfortunately (not that it won't be a deserved bomb--it looks terrible).
 
Posted by Primal Curve (Member # 3587) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lime:
Steve Jobs will now be Disney's largest stock holder, and be on their board of directors.

This is good. That kind of controlling interest in that hands of someone like Jobs is reassuring. The guy can be a total nut, but he's also a freaking genius.
 
Posted by JonnyNotSoBravo (Member # 5715) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lime:
Alcon: Dreamworks is a Spielberg item, I think. But Pixar was owned by Apple, and was Steve Jobs' baby (after he bought it from ILM).

SKG Dreamworks was started by three guys (Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and the music mogul, David Geffen - hence the SKG) and Paramount has agreed to buy them recently. All three will stay with Dreamworks when it is transferred to Paramount.

The deal does not include Dreamworks' animation studios (which made the hit Shrek). url
 
Posted by Celaeno (Member # 8562) on :
 
I'm impressed that someone already updated Jobs' wikipedia entry.

"On January 24, 2006, the Walt Disney Company announced that it had agreed to buy Pixar for around $7.4bn in an all-stock deal. The deal will make Jobs Disney's largest shareholder and will also net him a seat on the company's board of directors."
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Yeah, because Disney caused them to make such lousy movies before . . .

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
 
Ohh, I'm interested to see what kind of movies comes out of this.
 
Posted by Puffy Treat (Member # 7210) on :
 
Well, the next Pixar film after "Cars" is supposed to be about a rat living in a gourmet restaurant.
 
Posted by T_Smith (Member # 3734) on :
 
My thoughts exactly, Ic.
 
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
 
Disney's in-house animation, of late, produces such wonders as "Home on the Range" and "Brother Bear". Lackluster, formula treads that smell of repeated passes through the marketing department. Oh, and let's not forget the sequels that demean their own characters for the sake of turning a quick buck. So great is their respect for artists that they were prepared to make "Toy Story 3" without Pixar, saying, in essence, "Well, we own the characters, and we have the technology to do it."

Pixar, in its quasi-independence from Disney, makes things like "The Incredibles", "Finding Nemo", and "Monsters Inc."

Disney clawing back into control of Pixar is hard to imagine being a good thing. If I were an artist working for Pixar, I think I'd be printing my resume right about now.
 
Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
quote:
Steve Jobs will now be Disney's largest stock holder, and be on their board of directors. It could be good.
You know, I'm not so sure about this one. Jobs as a pretty good history getting new, fresh ideas from starting gate to serious player. Once he actually has any clout (i.e. Apple, late 1980s), he implodes. Or rather, explodes, and rather messily.

I'm a Jobs-a-holic, I'm the first to admit it. But part of me wants Apple -- and Pixar -- to stay the underdog. It's part of what makes Jobs great.
 
Posted by Boris (Member # 6935) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sterling:
Disney's in-house animation, of late, produces such wonders as "Home on the Range" and "Brother Bear". Lackluster, formula treads that smell of repeated passes through the marketing department. Oh, and let's not forget the sequels that demean their own characters for the sake of turning a quick buck. So great is their respect for artists that they were prepared to make "Toy Story 3" without Pixar, saying, in essence, "Well, we own the characters, and we have the technology to do it."

Pixar, in its quasi-independence from Disney, makes things like "The Incredibles", "Finding Nemo", and "Monsters Inc."

Disney clawing back into control of Pixar is hard to imagine being a good thing. If I were an artist working for Pixar, I think I'd be printing my resume right about now.

Let's not forget about Disney's only attempts at 3D animation without Pixar. AKA, Chicken Little and Valiant. I don't actually know anyone who's seen either. And I live in a town where anything 3D animated is quoted religiously within a month of them coming out, so I'm guessing they sucked as well.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
Hopefully Pixar will wear the pants.


But I liked Brother Bear...
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Icarus:
Yeah, because Disney caused them to make such lousy movies before . . .

[Roll Eyes]

I'm not sure I understand what your point is, Icky. Pixar wasn't part of Disney before -- Disney was merely the distributor.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
quote:
But part of me wants Apple -- and Pixar -- to stay the underdog. It's part of what makes Jobs great.
Hear, hear. I cheered when Pixar denied the last deal and struck out on their own. Disney is such a powerhouse, I worry that they will crush the unique, fresh, ingenious creativity of Pixar.

Think of what has happened to George Lucas. He had become so popular and powerful that he only surrounded himself with "yes-men" who will tell him what he wants to hear and let him do whatever the heck he wants with his movies. After all--He's George Lucas! This is Star Wars! I feel the same thing has happened to Disney. They depend on their name and past glory to carry them through their gagging mediocrity.

I don't know if Cars will be any good--I withhold judgement since it hasn't even come out yet. To be honest, most Pixar movies looked really dumb to me in preview form. I remember how stupid "Finding Nemo" looked to me. Boy was I wrong! But time and time again Pixar has surprised and delighted me. I hold out hope for Cars because I have come to expect excellence from Pixar.

Hopefully they won't go the way of Disney and Lucas, decide they can "do no wrong", and start churning out crap because their name is big enough to draw the crowds.
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Disney has has had creative input on all of the Pixar films so far. They have been more than merely a distributor (as in Fox's relationship to Lucasfilm).

http://www.digitalmediafx.com/Columns/JimHill/08pixarsfourth.html

quote:
Executives at Disney Feature Animation love to shape and mold Pixar projects as they move through the story phase. (Remember that these were the guys who -- back in November of 1993 -- actually forced Pixar to shut down production of Toy Story because they didn't think Woody was sympathetic enough. It took Lasetter & his team 'til April 1994 to come up with a workable way to make the cowboy character someone you could really care about. Then -- and only then -- did Disney executives deem the project worthy of resuming production.) So I can't imagine Mouse House execs being all that enthusiastic about their company distributing & marketing a movie that they've had zero creative input on.

(When you consider that Disney funded Toy Story entirely, it stands to reason that they would exert some influence. It was their bucks they were risking.)
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Huh. Thanks for the info, Joe.
 
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
Gawd, I saw it coming but I didn't want to believe it.

Oh well...

We shall see what we shall see.

And about "Cars". Seriously, the trailers don't mean anything. The "Incredibles" trailer with the guy trying to get his suit on, was mildly amusing at best, but I'll be darned if the Incredibles isn't one of Pixar's finest films to date.
 
Posted by andi330 (Member # 8572) on :
 
"I'm telling you man...every third blink is slower."
 
Posted by Friday (Member # 8998) on :
 
I'm worried that "Cars" will be another Toy Story type save the old car from the junk yard tale, or they another Sea Biscuit, with the underddog classic sports car beating the flashy imports in "the big race". I mean, what else can you do with cars as the main characters?

However, it is Pixar, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt on this one, hopefuly they won't let me down.
 
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
Well, it'll sure be interesting to see what happens from here. My classmates and I all just want to know what effect this is going to have on jobs. And not the Steve kind of jobs. [Razz]

I'm also skeptical about Cars from what I've seen from the trailers, but I clearly remember being very anti-Finding Nemo based on those trailers, too. "Gee whiz, it's called FINDING Nemo, I wonder how it's going to end?" Seemed very dull. And you know, the story was pretty much what I expected... but the way the story progressed was AWESOME, and made me want to see it again and again. [Smile] So... I'll just wait and see. [Smile]
 
Posted by Parsimony (Member # 8140) on :
 
I wasn't much of a fan of Pixar before Finding Nemo. After seeing Finding Nemo I consider Pixar to be the most overrated thing in the movie business after Keanu Reeves.

I don't understand why people loved that movie so much. I never saw a single thing in it that made it worth the hype.

--ApostleRadio
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
That is because you are a heathen.
 
Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 
I dunno. With Jobs set to wind up in charge, it sounds more like Pixar is buying Disney.
 
Posted by fugu13 (Member # 2859) on :
 
Jobs might make it onto the Board of Directors, but he will by no means be in charge of Disney.
 
Posted by camus (Member # 8052) on :
 
quote:
Pixar Executive Vice President John Lasseter will be Chief Creative Officer of the animation studios, as well as Principal Creative Advisor at Walt Disney Imagineering, where he will provide his expertise in the design of new attractions for Disney theme parks around the world, reporting directly to Iger.
Lasseter, in many people's opinion, was the real source of Pixar's creative success. Additionally, it sounds like the Pixar personnel will remain intact and somewhat independent of Disney. If so, this means that Pixar itself probably won't change much.
 
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
 
Hopefully they're smart enough to not kill the goose whose gold eggs have saved their butts for the last few years.
 
Posted by Ela (Member # 1365) on :
 
You said it, Porter.
 
Posted by estavares (Member # 7170) on :
 
Tom: Funny, and well said.

Finding Nemo was cathartic for my family; we saw it four days after my wife had an emergency birth and our daughter was left with cerebral palsy. We cried our eyes out through that whole film. If I had seen it "normally" it might have been less meaningful, but it had resonance for us.

That being said, this deal with Disney will fly or fall based on Pixar's ability to keep their voice intact. They're bound to have a stinker, and "Cars" may be it. My fear is that they will fall under pressure and produce quickly-made, one-joke "fluffy" movies like Madagascar, Over the Hedge, Chicken Little and...basically every CG film not produced by Pixar.
 
Posted by human_2.0 (Member # 6006) on :
 
quote:

The two companies will remain separate, with Pixar retaining its brand name. Maintaining Pixar's unique creative character was a priority in the talks, executives said.

"Most of the time that Bob and I have spent talking about this hasn't been about economics, it's been about preserving the Pixar culture because we all know that that's the thing that is going to determine the success here in the long run," Jobs said on a conference call with analysts.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179053,00.html

Whew! That page also has a graphic showing how Pixar's animations have repeatedly earned much more than Disneys. I wasn't really even aware Disney was still making feature film animations!
 
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
quote:
My fear is that they will fall under pressure and produce quickly-made, one-joke "fluffy" movies like Madagascar, Over the Hedge, Chicken Little and...basically every CG film not produced by Pixar.
*cough* SHREEEEEEEK, SHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEK, AAAAANTZZZZZZ *snort*
 
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
 
Are you saying Shrek or Shreek? [Wink]
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Yeah, I have to vote for the Shreks as well. They are among some of my favorite movies *ever*. Didn't like Antz so much. I am actually interested in Over the Hedge..
 
Posted by human_2.0 (Member # 6006) on :
 
Some might find this funny:

http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~rdlawhead/mac-art/new-macs.htm
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
We were talking about this the other day in class, we think its a good thing because with the whole merger thing, new job openings will appear and that is a good thing for animation students like myself. However, as a Pixar fan, I must say that it was a BAD idea. Why? Well, Disney seems to think that Pixar can solve all of its problems, because lately, we haven't seen any good Disney stuff, now have we? All the good stuff that has been coming out of there is either Pixar or Studio Ghibli leading me to believe that Disney is going kerplop.
Kronc's New Groove was rather lacking in plot and the whole array of sequels from classics is really going nowhere. Don't they realize that the new sequels are KILLING the classics? I'd really like it if they fired everyone in their creative group and hired completely new people to bring a new idea to life. I honestly believe that the last good 2D Disney movie was Mulan, all the others have sucked after that.

Even Pixar has disappointed me already, since Chicken Little was a rather sad sad lacking film, it was truly not what I expected and I think it was only a waste of precious rendering time.
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by human_2.0:
Some might find this funny:

http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~rdlawhead/mac-art/new-macs.htm

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
a) Lilo and Stitch was awesome.
b) Chicken Little was not Pixar.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
Chicken Little was NOT Pixar. It was Disney trying to immitate Pixar. That's why they scrapped their 2D movie studio--they think that 3D is the reason Pixar has been bringing in the cash!

"Uh, gee. Pixar is popular. It must be because they are 3D! Darn it, 2D is a thing of the past! If we switch over, it will solve all our problems!"

:palmforhead:

Meanwhile, Pixar looks into making some 2D animation.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
Sorry, sorry, sorry!!! *bangs head with pot*

I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.
Oh yeah, I had heard that they fired their 2D group...that was such a tearful day for me...

Well, what I meant is that Disney has not come up with a great masterpiece that will be remembered forever, a classic, in a very very long time. I miss those days.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I actually really liked "Treasure Planet". I was not fond of "Lilo and Stitch". It is difficult to articulate why. And I am one of the few people on the planet who actually likes "Pocohontas".

Oh, and I will always *love* "Emporer's New Groove".
 
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
IMO the last good Disney movie was "Beauty and the Beast"

Lion King was alright, but nobody likes hearing Elton John singing about a Circle of Life, that can only exist in a Disney film, 30 times a day.

And seriously, the detail level? Nonexistant. It's all about "styles" now.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
I liked Lion King quite a bit, and Mulan was also very good. And has everyone forgotten Aladdin? Bev, I would've enjoyed Pocohontas, had it not been for the, um, barbie-doll shape the animators gave her. I would not actually put Hercules in the same category, though.

I still maintain, however, that Beauty and the Beast is one of the best animated films ever made. Ever.

And, yes, that's even taking into account all the Pixar films, as well as Miyazaki's films. So there. [Razz]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:

I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.

*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.
 
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
quote:
"Uh, gee. Pixar is popular. It must be because they are 3D! Darn it, 2D is a thing of the past! If we switch over, it will solve all our problems!"
This is exactly what amazes me, especially because every time you see Ed Catmull or John Lasseter speak, they talk about how it's NOT the 3D, it's the story! It's like, is anyone listening? Allo?

Word is this will probably lead to more job opportunities for people like me in the next year or so, yay, but even better would be if it strengthened the feature animation industry as a whole. The relative success of something like "Hoodwinked" scares the bejeebus out of me. [Razz]
 
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
Heh, we were so insulted and disappointed by Lilo and Stitch that we had to make a conscious decision to see it to the end. And were very relieved when it finally came. [Smile]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
Perhaps you care about the quality of the animation? Whereas I do not. [Smile]
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:

I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.

*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.
Ok,I agree, Hercules wasn't all that great, but you've got to admit that Mulan was a great movie. Pocahontas is not in my favorite's list, either, but the music had some zing to it, you must admit.
Well, anyhoot, I do think that what I'm getting to was that Disney just isn't what it used to be even a decade ago. Back then, you went to see a Disney movie, and you KNEW you were going to ge some quality stuff, now...I think twice about watching a Disney flick.

My favorite movie is and has always been, the Little Mermaid though, I cry every time I see it and my birthday wish on my candles has always been becoming a mermaid or being able to swim in air. After Aladdin and B&B, things did go downhill.
I have to say that Lion King WAS a good movie though. And I liked the Tarzan soundtrack although the movie wasn't as good, particularly the character design. I almost barfed on that one.
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
quote:

I agree that Lilo and Stitch was awesome, but I just cannot see how it can compare to the awesomeness of Hercules, Mulan or The Little Mermaid.

*blink* You're kidding, right? "Hercules" and "Pocohontas" sucked major eggs, but "Lilo and Stitch" is almost flawless.
Ok,I agree, Hercules wasn't all that great, but you've got to admit that Mulan was a great movie. Pocahontas is not in my favorite's list, either, but the music had some zing to it, you must admit.
Well, anyhoot, I do think that what I'm getting to was that Disney just isn't what it used to be even a decade ago. Back then, you went to see a Disney movie, and you KNEW you were going to ge some quality stuff, now...I think twice about watching a Disney flick.

My favorite movie is and has always been, the Little Mermaid though, I cry every time I see it and my birthday wish on my candles has always been becoming a mermaid or being able to swim in air. After Aladdin and B&B, things did go downhill.
I have to say that Lion King WAS a good movie though. And I liked the Tarzan soundtrack although the movie wasn't as good, particularly the character design. I almost barfed on that one.
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Megan:



And, yes, that's even taking into account all the Pixar films, as well as Miyazaki's films. So there. [Razz]

Uh... No... Miyazaki rules just about all in terms of detail, story and everything else. Though the manga version of Nausicaa was waaaaaaay better than the anime...

Those Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite Disney movies and I do not know why I do not own it yet.
And Little Mermaid is excellent. Emperor's New Groove was hilarious. Lilo and Stich was cute and made me.... cry... >.< a bit...
I enjoyed Brother Bear and it made me get weepy too. I seem to be getting sentimental in my old age. [Mad]
But Kiki's Delivery Service beats all. It's one of the most delightful movies ever!
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Syn, I've seen most of Miyazaki's available films, and they're wonderful, no doubt about it.

I still think Beauty and the Beast is as good as any of them. You may not agree, but you're as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine. [Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Lion King is one of my two favorites. (The other is Mulan.)

Hercules was excellent. Did you actually see it?

Lilo and Stitch was as good as Hercules. It was not a musical, unfortunately, but otherwise it was very good.

Direct to Video sequels should not be counted in this discussion at all.

I have spoken.

::crosses arms::
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Icky, are you asking me? I've seen Hercules, and I think it's alright; I actually felt about the same about Lilo and Stitch, so I don't disagree with you there. I just don't think they have the same magic that films like Lion King and Beauty and the Beast do. This doesn't mean I turn off Toon Disney when they come on, though. [Big Grin]

I think it's a matter of personal taste, really. I mean, in my immediate family, my brother's favorite is Aladdin, and my sister's is The Little Mermaid. And I, of course, am well-known as the Beauty and the Beast fanatic. For one birthday (14 or 15, I think), my parents actually bought us front row seats to the Disney on Ice Beauty and the Beast show. Not as good as the movie, of course, but it was still a pretty wonderful experience, since it had all the songs. [Smile]
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Actually, I was responding to Tom, who said Hercules "sucked major eggs."

quote:
I just don't think they have the same magic that films like Lion King and Beauty and the Beast do.
I would agree with this.
 
Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
Apart from its partnership with Pixar, Disney was already well on its way down the path to another "dark age" like the one it went through in the 70's-80's. During that period, Disney completely lost its way, making (with a very few glowing exceptions) stinker after stinker, and almost completely losing its audience. I remember very well the phenomenon that was The Little Mermaid, which single-handedly revived the Disney tradition of great animated movies.

Perhaps, now that they have Pixar on board permanently, as well as some new blood, they can reverse their course and prevent the slide into that same old oblivion.
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Okay. [Smile]

And, actually, as someone who uses TV as background noise in the house, I can tell you that the half-hour cartoon based on Hercules doesn't entirely suck, either. It's very tongue-in-cheek and cute (though it does continue the butchery of Greek mythology).
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Aw, I loved Disney's Robin Hood, which was 1973. And The Rescuers wasn't that bad.

Edit: oooh, and The Fox and the Hound! That was the first movie I ever saw in a theater! [Smile]
 
Posted by Silent E (Member # 8840) on :
 
Robin Hood was precisely what I was thinking of when I mentioned "a few glowing exceptions".

I also liked The Rescuers okay, and the Fox and the Hound, and especially Pete's Dragon, but I suspect that the reason for that might have mostly been the lack of other good animated films with which to compare them. They were all we were getting.

For a while there, Disney seemed to be putting all of its energy into making incredibly stupid live-action kid movies. Guess how many of those are remembered fondly today?
 
Posted by Icarus (Member # 3162) on :
 
Everyone currently over the age of thirty loved Escape to Witch Mountain as a child.

>_>
 
Posted by human_2.0 (Member # 6006) on :
 
I think the best animation to come from Disney always included 2 chipmunks.

"Apple core." "Who's your friend?" "Me." *wham*
 
Posted by human_2.0 (Member # 6006) on :
 
Oh, and can we thank Disney enough for giving us the Lemming myth?
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
Some of us under thirty loved Escape to Witch Mountain as well.
 
Posted by Zeugma (Member # 6636) on :
 
quote:
Perhaps you care about the quality of the animation? Whereas I do not.
Oh no, the level of animation in Disney feature films has been consistently excellent all these years. I have nothing but respect for the animators working at Disney. [Smile]

We didn't like Lilo and Stitch because we found it poorly written and insulting, couldn't connect with any of the characters, and didn't care what happened to any of them. And it's not like we have trouble enjoying children's entertainment... we love Harry Potter, the Fairly Oddparents, the Pixar films, Sesame Street... and Sword in the Stone and the Iron Giant are at the top of my favorite films of all time. [Smile]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
 
quote:
We didn't like Lilo and Stitch because we found it poorly written and insulting...
*blink* Really? Compared to "Hercules?" Clearly we saw different movies. [Smile]
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
I loved Lilo and Stitch. Especially that part with the voodoo for beginners. "My friends needed punishing."

I still really want Lilo's doll.

-pH
 
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
 
That part was so cute
I liked when she took pictures of fat people and said they were beautiful and the whole weather fish thing.
It really was a cute movie.
And the Elvis part.
and that big social worker
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
Mr. Bubbles! [Big Grin]

-pH
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
I know that my love for the movie "Pocahontas" is completely irrational. It has to do with the situation of life I was in when I first saw it. I was at a major crossroads of my life, so much of the movie hit really close to home.

I love the movie "A Walk in the Clouds" for similar reasons.

Part of why "Lilo and Stitch" failed to move me was that I couldn't find Stitch's transformation believable. The suspension of disbelief never happened for me. I ended up feeling that I had just been fed a load of crap.
 
Posted by sarcasticmuppet (Member # 5035) on :
 
I liked Hercules -- the songs were really fun, I dug the story, and I bought into the 'spirals and pastels' style of it, though I'm no connoseiur of animation.

I liked Lilo and Stitch because it had fantastic one-liners and I really loved the interaction between Noni and Lilo.

I loved Emperor's New Groove because of Kronk. The only reason I haven't broken down to rent Kronk's New Groove is because I know, as a disney sequel, it'll suck. I know that, but still! Kronk! ENG also had some fabulous one-liners in it. "Yaaaay! I'm a llama again!"

I didn't think I'd like The Incredibles or Finding Nemo, but Pixar has won my respect in their ability to produce visually stunning films with a great story for both kids and grown-ups. I'm seeing Cars the first chance I get, even though they feel sort of reminiscent of Chevron commercials. The only one I don't automatically love is the very first Toy Story, and that wins my respect just by being the very first one of its kind.

I'm really sad that Disney now owns Pixar. Pixar doesn't *need* Disney--They can sell Pixar films on their own merits. Though I really was happy to hear that Disney scrubbed Toy Story 3--it displayed class I hadn't thought possible from them. Maybe it'll work out. Maybe.
 
Posted by beverly (Member # 6246) on :
 
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Though I really was happy to hear that Disney scrubbed Toy Story 3--it displayed class I hadn't thought possible from them.
I dunno. Did they scrap it to win favor in the eyes of Pixar? This *is* the company that shamelessly churns out sub-par sequels non-stop.
 
Posted by pH (Member # 1350) on :
 
My nephew loved the Emperor's New Groove. I thought it was adorable.

-pH
 
Posted by Megan (Member # 5290) on :
 
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This *is* the company that shamelessly churns out sub-par sequels non-stop.
Indeed. See this upcoming direct-to-video atrocity.
 
Posted by Altáriël of Dorthonion (Member # 6473) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Megan:
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This *is* the company that shamelessly churns out sub-par sequels non-stop.
Indeed. See this upcoming direct-to-video atrocity.
Deb: I told you! I told you!!!

AoD: I thought the movie had Bambi as a father, not the other way around...Go ahead Debbie, what was that chant again?

*the horror continues*
 
Posted by Earendil18 (Member # 3180) on :
 
Emperor's New Groove, while horrendously animated, was very funny. I really enjoyed all the "little things in the background"
 


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