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i think everyone should view this movie and decide for themselves.

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Posted by Enderwillsaveusall (Member # 6227) on :
 
why not? It's everyone's choice to have an opinion. I happen to think this documentary says alot. If you agree with it or not, i think people should see it.

There's a bunch of things i know i was confused about when 9/11 happened.(both towers falling at free fall speed, no video evidence of a plane even hitting the pentagon, flight 93 and the "plane" that hit the pentagon vanishing)

That is WHY i think people should at least view it. Let them decide for themselves if they trust their government.
 

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Posted by Kasie H (Member # 2120) on :
 
I would like to point out that after I contributed to a USA TODAY story on this particular subject, an online cadre of supporters subsequently became convinced that I am actually a CIA agent planted in the mainstream media.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/dazinith/114622408854326166/

This is supported by the fact that I am on the dean's list at the Elliott School of International Affairs (and Colin Powell spoke there once...clearly *convincing* evidence of my undercover-government-agent-ness), among other things.

It's...creative, to say the least. And, I must say, it makes me a *very* accomplished recent college graduate
 

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Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
 
I'm pretty sure there's been at least two threads about this already, since it's been circulating the web for at least four or five months.
 

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Posted by OSTY (Member # 1480) on :
 

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Originally posted by Enderwillsaveusall:
why not? It's everyone's choice to have an opinion. I happen to think this documentary says alot. If you agree with it or not, i think people should see it.

There's a bunch of things i know i was confused about when 9/11 happened.(both towers falling at free fall speed, no video evidence of a plane even hitting the pentagon, flight 93 and the "plane" that hit the pentagon vanishing)

That is WHY i think people should at least view it. Let them decide for themselves if they trust their government.

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There is lots of video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon. This whole no plane hitting hte pentagon was a reporter being taken out of context..he made the statement that there was no debry outside the walls of the pentagon showing no signs of planes. He meant that the plane did not crash before hitting the Pentagon and others just took that to mean a plane did not exist. And I complete remember seeing footage from above the crash site of United 93 so I don't know how any one could claim it disappeared.
 

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Posted by Enderwillsaveusall (Member # 6227) on :
 
erosomniac, i havent been on in awhile and i searched for a related thread but couldnt find it.

sorry if its redundant, but i thought it would be a good topic.
 

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Posted by CaySedai (Member # 6459) on :
 
So, Kasie, does it say "CIA propagandist" on your business cards?

Sad to say, I found that haloscan.com thread, ummm, boring. And kind of scary, to see what people believe.
 

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Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
 
Popular Mechanics article debunking conspiracy theories

I don't know how to be respectful about this, but 9/11 conspiracy theories are just dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'm sure our government is up to many bad things. And when 9/11 happened, the Bush administration did use it to justify its wish list (going to war with Iraq, etc.) But to think that the government actually faked 9/11... eh. No.
 

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Posted by HollowEarth (Member # 2586) on :
 
Don't know about you, but my money says that Enderwillsaveusall also believes that the "Here be monsters" labels were wrongly removed from modern maps.
 

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Posted by MightyCow (Member # 9253) on :
 
Here's my view on this. Even if the video and commentary is 100% true, even if the whole 9/11 was a government setup, even if all kinds of crazy stuff happened that we don't know about... if this one video circulating the Internet is the best evidence that anyone can dig up, the story's dead in the water.
 

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Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 

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Don't know about you, but my money says that Enderwillsaveusall also believes that the "Here be monsters" labels were wrongly removed from modern maps.

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i think everyone should view this movie and decide for themselves.

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Because the film is a carefully orchestrated list of psuedo-scientific claims about jet impacts with large buidings, all done in the voice of a 19 year old "unbiased" observer. That and obviously Tom, you have to view MY claims in order to properly form your opinion. MY claims are SO important that if you don't hear them, your opinion is invalid, because you have been decieved by the media.

The really odd thing about this video is that the person who made it didn't think twice about manipulating the impression given by the information he included, even as he makes claims about goverment control over the media. Hey, it doesn't take a federal government to be coniving, manipulative and machiavellian... this guy is doing it independently. God bless America, land of the mom and pop tyrants.

Edit: Its wierd that in the beginning the narrator is talking about how a number of government officials cancelled their flights on 9/11, (although I would have felt less lied to if he had actually claimed that this is somehow a unique occurence or even unusual...). Anyway, much of the first half of the movie is about how the impacts are inconsistant with airplanes having been used. Pick your conspiracies kids! I am all for the odd-ball conspiracy, but it isn't a buffet, you need to pick one idea. This just proves to me that the movie is a bunch of near crap.

Another edit: God I can't leave this thing alone! Now the guy is talking about how all these buildings had fires and didn't collapse, and how the empire state bulding was once hit by a plane and didn't collapse. Does this prove something?

I'm sorry to keep picking at this, but it is just too much. The guy is saying that the claims of "the government" (also several third party, *actually scientific* documentaries I've seen myself), that the towers fell because of their design flaws (the whole business of i-beams and fireproofing if you recall), can be refuted with "a little common sense." Really?? The rationalization he gives is one I would expect from one of my camp kids, and even they would see the weakness of the argument.

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Posted by starLisa (Member # 8384) on :
 

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Don't know about you, but my money says that Enderwillsaveusall also believes that the "Here be monsters" labels were wrongly removed from modern maps.

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I believe its "Here be dragons." Could be monsters though I suppose.

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i just think this film should be seen.

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Sorry, I've never actually owned a map with those labels.

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HollowEarth, Enderwillsaveusall, one of the things that makes Hatrack different from a lot of other places online is that we don't engage in direct name calling here. Please respect that.

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Shut up, fat head.
 

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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
Aliens shot JFK too. The mob bribed them with free anal probing of the entire human population (other than New Jersey, of course).


(spelling corrected....sorry Noeman, not Allens after all )

[ May 23, 2006, 09:08 PM: Message edited by: Kwea ]
 

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Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
 
It's spelled "Allans", Kwea. I think that the massive threat people named Allan pose to the civilized world is just a little too serious to let a misspelling like that go.

[ May 23, 2006, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]
 

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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
 
lol....damn spellcheck! How dare it not catch that when I didn't use it! The nerve!
 

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Posted by Glenn Arnold (Member # 3192) on :
 

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i just think this film should be seen.

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Again, I wonder why.

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Ok, I've seen it.

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Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
I saw it... And its a loud of crap. And I AM a democrat.... we're not all morons and sheep.
 

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Posted by Tstorm (Member # 1871) on :
 
I've seen it. A good amount of the documentary evidence is just one person claiming something isn't true. People making eyewitness claims en masse isn't much better evidence. I don't care if its one person or 15 people.

That said, I'm interested in the financial aspects surrounding the attacks. So what if the stock puts were higher? What's the connection? Who made the connection? Who actually profited? A thorough documentary of 9/11 in regards to the finances and money would be interesting to me. Heck, I might as well ask for links.
 

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Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
Yah, its really wierd too the way the narration is kind of bipolar about credibility and veracity in its subjects.

For instance, it takes a quote from a mining engineer from New Mexico on 9/11 (of all unlikely experts), that the towers couldn't have fallen the way they did, and holds onto that as absolutely essential. The statement is based entirely on what the engineer saw on television.

Then, when the same engineer takes back his words a few days later (because, duh, he had a few days to think and look at evidence), he calls that evidence of a conspiracy. What was so trustworthy about the first statement, made by a mining engineer who saw something on television?
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
Since when do wikipedia and random geocities websites count as real sources?
 

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Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
ha, there is actually a moment where the vid pans across a Wikipedia page about gunpowder... He couldn't have gone to a library??? Really???
 

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Posted by MidnightBlue (Member # 6146) on :
 
It also spans across a wikipedia page about Bush's brother.
 

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Posted by Irregardless (Member # 8529) on :
 
Here's an old thread about this idiocy:

http://www.hatrack.com/cgi-bin/ubbmain/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=041045;p=1&r=nfx
 

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Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
 
People actually fall for this? I am shocked at how truly stupid some people are.
 

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Posted by TheHumanTarget (Member # 7129) on :
 

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