Ok, through each movie I keep wanting them to turn rogue into the super rogue from the comics that is nearly indestructable and super strong. This hasn't happened..... yet.
SPOILER
Since Rogue took the cure (and I believe she did since she was holding iceman's hand at the end), I am wondering if in the next movie she doesn't accidentally steal the super powers permanently from another character like she did in the TV series (never followed the comic book much but I assume they were pretty close), only instead of doing it naively under the pressure from mystique she will end up doing it accidentally not knowing that her powers are going to come back, and she will accidently put someone in a coma.
This is assuming of course that they haven't ruled out completely the idea of her being a super strong/invulnerable character.
What do you guys thnk?
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
You could put this in the X-Men 3 thread.
Anyways, I'd rather her stay powerless and just forget about her. She kind of annoyed me in the third movie.
Posted by TrapperKeeper (Member # 7680) on :
I think she was one of the few who had a power that I could see someone volunteering for a cure. I was rather disappointed in how Storm told her that there was nothing wrong with her.
I know the whole moral of accepting who you are and what not, but the girl couldn't touch anyone.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
If there were suddenly a "cure" for being gay, there would be some people who would take it in order to lead a normal life in a society that isn't fully prepared to accept them as equal people, and there would be those who said "don't take it, don't change who you are; homosexuality isn't a disease that needs to be cured."
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Sure, but homosexuality is a comparatively monolithic thing compared to the mutations of the X-Men universe. If I had, say, the power to teleport myself at will, I wouldn't the power to go away. If my power were to to involuntarily kill everyone I touched, I'd be much more interested in a cure.
Ever read George R. R. Martin's Wildcard series* (Martin writes some of the stories, but mostly he functions as an editor, weaving the other author's stories set in the shared universe into a coherent whole)? In it a "wildcard virus" is released (by not particularly friendly aliens who are biologically nearly identical to us). It kills most people that it infects, but a tiny minority of those infected survive, now possessed of mutant-like abilities. The vast majority of the mutations are unfortunate, and hinder the survivor's ability to function in everyday life--people growing elephant-like trunks, or exuding snot-like slime from every pore, stinking horribly, or whathave you. In the parlance of the books, these people are jokers. Some people, who have mutations that don't hinder their everyday lives but don't especially help anything either, are referred to as duces. A tiny minority of the survivors have mutations that grant them what we'd think of as superpowers; they're referred to as aces. Rogue, to me, seems more like a joker than an ace as she's presented in the movies.
*It's a bit silly, but also a lot of fun if you like superhero-themed stuff. The writing ranges from adequate to quite good. Some of the authors explore sexual themes that would be inapproprate for younger readers, so if that kind of thing squicks you out, consider yourself forewarned.
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Posted by Kwea (Member # 2199) on :
In the comiocs too, until she drains some powers for herself permenatly. Posted by pooka (Member # 5003) on :
If I'd written the movie, after Storm said "There's nothing wrong with you that needs to be cured" Rogue would have taken her glove off and given Storm a good dose of "nothing wrong with you."
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:Sure, but homosexuality is a comparatively monolithic thing compared to the mutations of the X-Men universe. If I had, say, the power to teleport myself at will, I wouldn't the power to go away. If my power were to to involuntarily kill everyone I touched, I'd be much more interested in a cure.
That depends on a lot of things; the only difference is that the mutant power is convenient or inconvenient in and of itself, where homosexuality can be good or painful depending on environment.
Compare being a gay person in a liberal, mixed-sexuality community to being gay in an intolerant religious community populated by WBC members.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Sure, I agree; I'd much rather be gay in the former than the latter community, and the two experiences would be pretty different. They'd still be more similar than, say, oozing snot from every pore and being able to control the weather.
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:They'd still be more similar than, say, oozing snot from every pore and being able to control the weather.
It's an imperfect analogy; I used it to highlight that Storm's comment isn't unfounded, if insensitive.
Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
I just wrote a fairly lengthy post about negative mutations, but as I was finishing it I realized that I'm not entirely sure what we're arguing about. So...what are we arguing about? Or are we even arguing?
Posted by erosomniac (Member # 6834) on :
quote:I just wrote a fairly lengthy post about negative mutations, but as I was finishing it I realized that I'm not entirely sure what we're arguing about. So...what are we arguing about? Or are we even arguing?
We aren't - your disagreement with my analogy is one of degree, not direction. Posted by Noemon (Member # 1115) on :
Ah, okay then.
Posted by Chaz_King (Member # 3184) on :
Talk about hijacking a thread!
Cure or no cure I want to see rogue flying around throwing cars at people damnit !
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:If I'd written the movie, after Storm said "There's nothing wrong with you that needs to be cured" Rogue would have taken her glove off and given Storm a good dose of "nothing wrong with you."
That's exactly what I wanted to happen as well! Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
quote:If I'd written the movie, after Storm said "There's nothing wrong with you that needs to be cured" Rogue would have taken her glove off and given Storm a good dose of "nothing wrong with you."
Considering that control is such a big virtue at the Xavier Institute (and rightly so) it seemed unlikely to me that Rogue would do something like that. I won't say I didn't hope for it a little though.
But then, assaulting your teachers is kind of a bad thing. Now I just wish she had smiled prettily and said something like, "Oh good! There's nothing wrong with me! How 'bout a hug?"
As for flying, super-strong Rogue, yeah I wanted to see that too. But to really deal with the issues involved in a satisfying way wouldn't really have been feasible with everything else they were covering. I'd wanted to see Gambit too, but I'd rather wait for a new movie then have them stuff him into an already loaded cast. They were already in danger of treading into Mortal Kombat II territory. Almost every character in the trilogy could have had their own movie devoted to them.
Posted by Chaz_King (Member # 3184) on :
Juxtapose: I definately agree, I am just hoping they use the cure as a lead in for the next movie and she starts to get some of those powers because as I said before....
I want to see rogue flying around throwing cars at people damnit! Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
Didn't get your fix of cars being tossed around by Magneto and Pyro?
Some people just won't be satisfied till everyone's hurled an automobile.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
I'll be satisfied when I can hurl automobiles. And when Magneto and Pyro were hurling automobiles togethor that was freakin' awesome.
Posted by neo-dragon (Member # 7168) on :
quote:Originally posted by TrapperKeeper: I think she was one of the few who had a power that I could see someone volunteering for a cure. I was rather disappointed in how Storm told her that there was nothing wrong with her.
I know the whole moral of accepting who you are and what not, but the girl couldn't touch anyone.
Yeah, Storm was being too defensive. I get the whole idea of accepting who you are as well, but there are some mutants (like Rogue) who's "gift" is a curse no matter how you look at it. Storm is lucky enough to have a mutation that she can control (although I understand that it requires some mental discipline for her not to change the weather wildly when she is emotional), and she can pass for a normal human. I don't see how anyone can blame Rogue for taking the cure, and it would be hard to blame mutants like Beast or Nightcrawler who can't pass for human.
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
Hm . . . I disagree in the case of the latter two. For one, their mutation only hinders daily life as far as society considers their appearance important, which seems to be less and less. Rogue's disabilities are inherent, while theirs are external.
And I think they had a bit in Astonishing X-Men that points out pretty clearly X-Men like Beast, who are in the public eye, can't be seen to take the cure, no matter what.
Posted by blacwolve (Member # 2972) on :
Disclaimer: I haven't read the comics, so my opinion is based purely on the movies.
I don't see how anyone can even imagine Rogue not taking the cure. Humans need human touch. To not have that, it would be horrific. Superpowers would be a small price to pay to be able to touch people. Especially considering that if she wants to get superpowers, the only pro in her situation, she has to brutally murder whoever she's getting them from. In my opinion that's a pretty major con.
Personally, I'm surprised Rogue had any conflict about it at all. I don't think that's especially realistic.
Posted by Nathan2006 (Member # 9387) on :
Actually, someone pointed out something in the thread... Rogue held Bobby's hand, but that was for like, three seconds, and so we don't know if she took the cure or not... Now that's a lead in to the next movie... In this case, when Bobby said 'This wasn't what I wanted' he was being an insensitive jerk, allowing Rogue to extredite herself from the relationship, and Bobby to hook up with Kitty.
I thought that Rogue would end up sharing [spoiler]The Pheonix's[/spoiler] powers.
She was one of my favorite characters though... It's too bad she didn't get more screen time. They probably had to delete an hour of scenes or more, seeing how the plot was waaaay to big for the movie, and in those scenes, Rogue may have played more of a part. But alas, They wouldn't allow a three and one half hour movie.
Posted by Joldo (Member # 6991) on :
I wanted more Angel, me. A lot more Angel. Ever since I was about eight, all I've dreamed about--at night and daydreams--is having wings and flying. Whenever Angel was onscreen flying around, I ended up cradling my arms and pinching my face up, just whispering "Wings . . . wings . . ." to myself.
Heck, I was practically crying.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
I was dissapointed with what they showed of the character Angel. All I knew before the movie was that he's a guy with wings. That's still all I know.
Posted by MyrddinFyre (Member # 2576) on :
Yeah, he was just a cheap ploy to symbolize Freedom For All Mutants. Bah.
Posted by Juxtapose (Member # 8837) on :
I thought the opening scene with Angel as a child cutting off his wings was very powerful, the best in the movie as a matter of fact. It speaks volumes about the kind of relationship he has with his father, for one thing.
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