I need help with this one, youngsters. Apparently it is some emo thing(and I am not even really sure what emo is) Boys at our school are changing into too-small pants of their girl friends.
Has anyone else seen this? My daughter informs me it is also a "skater" thing, and I don;t mean Kristi Yamaguchi.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
I can't even tell girl pants from boy pants. I often wear men's jeans instead of women's so if they want to do that...
Though it may have an effect on their reproductive system if they keep it up.
Posted by MattP (Member # 10495) on :
I've heard of this for emos but not for skaters. In my experience, skaters always wore lose clothing to allow free movement of their limbs.
Posted by Avadaru (Member # 3026) on :
It's hardly a new fashion...boys have been doing this for years. I think it started because members of bands like Fallout Boy and The Academy Is started doing it. I think it looks silly.
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Most of the boys I have known who wore girls pants, didn't have girlfriends. And i've mostly seen it in the 13-16 age bracket.
Posted by cassv746 (Member # 11173) on :
Yeah, it's at least 5 years old. But it is an emo thing, and a skater thing sometimes too. I think it started cause of the bands too.
Here's what wiki says... The term "emo" is sometimes stereotyped with tight jeans on males and females alike, long fringe (bangs) brushed to one side of the face or over one or both eyes, dyed black, straight hair, tight t-shirts (sometimes with short-sleves) which often bear the names of rock bands (or other designed shirts), studded belts, belt buckles, canvas sneakers or skate shoes or other black shoes (often old and beaten up) and thick, black horn-rimmed glasses.
I've had guy friends where my pants back 5 years ago when it all started. But I will agree it is quite silly. I even thought so then.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Is there anything less attractive than skin tight jeans on a really skinny teenage boy with bad posture?
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Yes, skintight GIRLS' pants!
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
Liz, you probably already know this much but think of Emo as Emotional
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
I do know that, but I have to wonder: which emotions?
Posted by airmanfour (Member # 6111) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: I do know that, but I have to wonder: which emotions?
The accidental ones.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
The ones that make the majority of people their age make fun of them. Some are legitimately emotionally challenged, and most people actually feel sorry for those people. Most emos are just following a fad, though.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
wearing tight pants is for (in my eperiences) A effeminate males B guys who are not effeminate and just want to seem cool even tough it probably isnt working C girls who think it makes them look popular D nonconformists - emos, skaters, punks, , etcetera E guys who are allready cool and know they could wear anything, so why not?
Posted by dantesparadigm (Member # 8756) on :
I've on occasion worn girl pants. As a rule I wear guy pants, but on informal occasions I'll throw them on because they're pretty comfty and look good on me. My only complaint would be the tiny pockets combined with the lack of a purse. I suppose that'd put me into A or B though I'm not sure which. Maybe E but that's probably dreaming.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
((A+B)/2)+1.E=dante wearing girl pants
LOL Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by scifibum: Is there anything less attractive than skin tight jeans on a really skinny teenage boy with bad posture?
Yes! Really baggy falling down pants that hang six inches below the underway, on just about any body.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
quote:Originally posted by LargeTuna: wearing tight pants is for (in my eperiences) A effeminate males B guys who are not effeminate and just want to seem cool even tough it probably isnt working C girls who think it makes them look popular D nonconformists - emos, skaters, punks, , etcetera E guys who are allready cool and know they could wear anything, so why not?
F guys who got dressed really fast because a cop was knocking on the car door.
Posted by Jon Boy (Member # 4284) on :
G Wannabe cowboy types (though the tight pants they wear are quite different from the girls' pants that the emo types wear).
Posted by cassv746 (Member # 11173) on :
I like F the best now.
Posted by Bob_Scopatz (Member # 1227) on :
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Posted by adfectio (Member # 11070) on :
Should I point out that this has been around since the 90's? If not before.
Well, the too-tight jean thing. The guys wearing girl jeans has been for several years.
I did it once, and got more compliments than I was comfortable with. So I didn't. I was a size 4, btw. Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
H. Guys built like models who can totally pull it off and look hot. (My husband looks good in things that you look at on the rack/shelf and go "WHO ON EARTH would look good in that???")
Posted by breyerchic04 (Member # 6423) on :
I like real cowboys in tight wranglers. Or real horse guys in breeches, those may win.
Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
Some of the things the wiki doesn't say about emos that is the source of why they receive so much ridicule (and I assure you, they do) is that they have the stereotype of being whiners, and usually about trivial stuff. They're also stuck with the label of largely being cutters, but not through any actual disorder, but just to get attention. They catch a LOT of crap for the tight pants and the crying (gay jokes are rampant). They thrive on bad poetry.
They're like goths that try to be hip at the same time.
Actually this video says it better than I ever could. Some language may not be suitable for all audiences.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I wear boring normal-fitting jeans with cheap pocket Ts. I wonder what kind of fashion statement that is.
Posted by Saephon (Member # 9623) on :
I've not tried on any girls' pants, though I might once just to see how they look. I do confess to wearing somewhat tight normal jeans because I've gotten a lot of compliments from females >.> <.<
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
quote:Originally posted by sylvrdragon: Some of the things the wiki doesn't say about emos that is the source of why they receive so much ridicule (and I assure you, they do) is that they have the stereotype of being whiners, and usually about trivial stuff. They're also stuck with the label of largely being cutters, but not through any actual disorder, but just to get attention. They catch a LOT of crap for the tight pants and the crying (gay jokes are rampant). They thrive on bad poetry.
They're like goths that try to be hip at the same time.
Actually this video says it better than I ever could. Some language may not be suitable for all audiences.
Maybe beatniks were the early fore-runners of emos.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: I do know that, but I have to wonder: which emotions?
Mostly narcissism, mixed with a healthy dose of unrealistic perception of self, and a sense of entitlement.
Emo is strictly for over-entitled teens with poor coping skills and a desperate wish not to be a conformist, inconveniently echoed by a sea of like-minded kids.
Having worked for years with teens, and having been one not that long ago, I can tell you that typically, as someone said earlier, this emo fad starts to bake off after about 16, when teens start looking around and finding role models in "conformist" life that they would actually want to be like. At that point, some of them wear the style in an almost self-mocking and ironic way, but most get tired, very quickly, of the younger teens who glom onto the movement and reveal the reasons why it is essentially the same as any trend.
Edit: That, and, as your hormones settle down, you start looking for comfortable clothing. Emo clothes are, if anything, not comfort-wear.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Launchywiggin: I wear boring normal-fitting jeans with cheap pocket Ts. I wonder what kind of fashion statement that is.
I'm not in college anymore but I think I am.
Posted by ketchupqueen (Member # 6877) on :
I was thinking, "Somebody call Stacy and Clinton."
Not that I'm much (any) better-- but if you want to know what kind of fashion statement you're making... Posted by DevilDreamt (Member # 10242) on :
I have a pair of bell-bottom pants from the 70's that I wear frequently. They are pretty tight, but they're also cut to be worn by a man, so the crotch is comfortable. I get compliments on them, some genuine, others not so much. They are also, on occasion, mistaken for women's pants (which they are not). I can't see how wearing pants made for a woman can be comfortable. Heck, I have a problem finding men's jeans that fit me properly. I have a 28 inch waist, and the majority of men's jeans made in that size have the crotch much too high for comfort, so I'm forced to get size 30 and wear a belt (28 waist 32 long is my ideal pants size, but again, they rarely fit right). For some reason, I've had more success finding khakis, dress pants, or vintage pants that fit properly.
I wear a sweatshirt that I bought for my girlfriend on a regular basis. It's designed to be very noticeably tight on the lower half (I'm sure this was done to help show off certain assists, and it's (sadly?)why I bought it for her (not that she needs help in that department, I just thought it would be sexy on her)). I have a thin waist and a V-shaped chest, and, oddly enough,I find the sweatshirt very comfortable. I don't know if it looks good, but I really only wear it around the house, so I guess it doesn't matter.
I am a little curious why they don't make men's shirts like that. I thought that the V-shaped core (trunk? torso?) was ideal, why not take that into account somewhere? But hey, I don't like baggy clothes, including shirts; I don't find them comfortable.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Gee, the more I see emo described, the more I think of Danny Noreiga.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
No quid. Think of Danny Noriega after three nights without sleep, in all black, with cheaper clothing, preferably second hand, agressive piercing or black eyeliner, some color in the hair, but something mixed with black, and maybe lots of patches having to do with suitably random topics or obscure bands that suck. These last are affixed with clothespins.
Finish with a long black zip up sweatshirt with a clothespin affixed to one side, as it has been ripped slightly. The clothespin is the friend of the emo-kid.
Posted by quidscribis (Member # 5124) on :
Ah. Really. That sounds so, uh, tacky and ugly. But hey, I'm old.
Thanks, O. Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
No it is. It's absurdly tacky and ugly. It's almost ludicrously tacky and ugly. I think the assault on the senses and common sense is part of the get-up. I mean, when I look at an emo-kid, or a goth for that matter, the first thing that occurs to me is how uncomfortable they must be- not only how self-conscious and edgy, but also just plain sweaty and encased in cheap fabric.
Posted by cassv746 (Member # 11173) on :
Link for more unusual hair. Also, note the name on his hand with the mispelling and the word star. Tres emo.
I don't think it's particularly uglier than any other group, merely heavily stylized. The 13-16 age group is particularly susceptible to stylization, and the Emo look goes well with very young, skinny, small frames (which this age group often has).
From a less negative viewpoint, the emotions meant by their name I think is supposed to being aware and okay with your emotions, perhaps that would never be articulated but I think that's the general idea. Hence the tears, poetry etc.
It's narcissistic because, unlike previous movements involving emotions (like Sentimentalism), the emotions are most often your own and there is less focus on, say, crying about world affairs or poverty and more on your own issues. Since they are often middle class kids this is regarded as being not particularly warranted and therefore whiny.
I suppose it's like a neo-goth movement.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Nice explanation, Teshi. Thanks.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I think you mean safety pins, not clothespins, Orincoro, yes?
Posted by Nick (Member # 4311) on :
Wow, in my high school skater days, the looser the pants, the better. If you were a guy wearing tight pants at my high school, the homophobes would ask if you're gay. Times have sure changed in 5 years since I've graduated high school.
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
They still ask, just nobody realy cares because there are popular kids doing it just to be wacky or look cool, so it doesnt matter as much if anyone else wants to wear tight pants
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
Emo boys are vaguely cute. Shame the music is so dreadfully incredibly boring and annoying. The vocals! I can't stand them! It's like most of them are trying to sound like Greenday with one fourth of the talent.
Perhaps I just like men who wear eyeliner for some reason I can't figure out.
I don't think I'd mind my kids dressing gothy (but how many black kids do you see dressing like that?) I'd probably be more alarmed if they wear pink and orange or respectable clothes. AUGH!
Posted by aspectre (Member # 2222) on :
Those girls jeans are nearly the same as vintage standard-cut hip-huggers. Other than a 2to4inch/5to10centimetre lower waist, those girls jeans are the same as vintage standard-cut men's jeans. It's difficult (when not impossible) to find that vintage standard-cut in the men's section: The skinniest men's cut is usually what would have been a "Big Men's" cut in the vintage era; ie intended for the overweight. Baggies were styled after the droopy drawers worn by gangsta rappers imitating their heroes' prison garb and shoplifter clothing.
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Posted by James Tiberius Kirk (Member # 2832) on :
--j_k
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I feel like I'm officially old. I hadn't heard of "Scene" vs. "Emo" until now, and I used to have an extensive knowledge of social codes, cliques, and trends.
I'm absolutely NOT going to buy adult clothes yet, though. I refuse. My only nice clothes are concert attire, and it's gonna stay that way.
Posted by Elizabeth (Member # 5218) on :
Launchy, It starts slowly and builds quickly, this "I'm officially old" thing.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"She spends $50 a week on clothes - almost all her pocket money - and buys at least one CD a week."
Wow... they have way too much cash.
Posted by Launchywiggin (Member # 9116) on :
I completely missed that about $50 a week--that's ridiculous. If we did all our chores, homework, and didn't get into any fights with our parents, we got 5 bucks on Saturday. I think that's a perfectly reasonable allowance. Of course, my sisters started fighting with my parents constantly when they became teenagers, so the system kind of broke down.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by LargeTuna: wearing tight pants is for (in my eperiences) D nonconformists - emos, skaters, punks, , etcetera
In MY experience, people who dress like this usually aren't noncomformists. They're usually "Look, everyone likes this band, so I can wear their t-shirt and look cool" sort of kids. You know, the ones that annoy those of us who are actually very devoted to rock and roll music and that find most of the bands the "emos, skaters, and punks" like to be incredibly lame and cliche rip-offs of one another. They buy t-shirts for bands they don't even listen to purely because they're popular, and they have the t-shirts at the nearest Hot Topic.
My experience may be slightly tempered by the fact that I live in rural Missouri. And most of these kids really are lame trend following slugs that listen to whatever crap MTV is celebrating.
*shrugs* I have a slightly holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to music.
P.S. There was an ad for Rock-the-Vote that had a clip of a Bad Brains concert. They showed it on MTV. And I was really worried that a bunch of these lame kids would come to school saying things like, "So, I love this new band Bad Brains. They rock. I saw them on MTV. Their debut CD Build a Nation is really good."
And then I would have to slap them and say, "That IS NOT Bad Brains first album, you idiot. They've released somewhere in the realm of eight albums. That's not counting greatest hit collections, live albums, EP's, or bootlegs. Take off that t-shirt and go hide in the corner and listen to your crap. Don't dare utter the words Bad Brains around me ever again."
It'll be safe as long as The Melvins stay my secret. If they start claiming to like The Melvins, I'll freak out.
You can probably tell that kids like this annoy me? Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
quote:Originally posted by JonHecht: "She spends $50 a week on clothes - almost all her pocket money - and buys at least one CD a week."
Wow... they have way too much cash.
Sorry for the double post. But I wanted to say that I spend a fair amount of money on [GOOD] CDs. But I also have a job and earn my money. And the CDs are, let me say it again, GOOD.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I think I'm wearing girls jeans now. Not sure, though.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Well, where did you get them? Do they have little flowers on them?
Posted by adfectio (Member # 11070) on :
Those girls who identified themselves as Scene were not emo. The way there were dressed is very different than emo. You'll notice the girl in the girl on the left has a blue shirt on. Not a pale blue which states 'I can't bring myself to be happy' but a solid strong colored blue. The girl in the middle is wearing pink. While it is the right color pink, being more faded out, not female emo that I ever knew would wear pink. That was reserved for the guys.
And if I remember correctly, There were emo kids before Myspace ever got really big. It just got most recognized on there.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
I first heard of "emo" from a very (now) stereotypically "emo" male friend of mine back in 1994, when he shoved a Mr. Bungle CD at me. At the time, the term referred not so much to any style choices as to the musical genre "emocore." In fact, all the kids I knew in '94 who listened to emocore appropriated traditional skater fashions (JNKO, etc.)
Posted by DarkKnight (Member # 7536) on :
quote: If we did all our chores, homework, and didn't get into any fights with our parents, we got 5 bucks on Saturday. I think that's a perfectly reasonable allowance.
Congratulations! You are truly officially old now When you start telling "When I was younger..." stories you are officially old
Posted by Shigosei (Member # 3831) on :
I find the "You laugh at me because I am different, I laugh at you because you are all the same" t-shirt incredibly ironic. For a bunch of alleged non-conformists, it's amazing how similar emo kids look.
Posted by Telperion the Silver (Member # 6074) on :
Ahhh... emo... Goth without the black. The tight jeans are in style everywhere, and they're made for boys now too, not just girls.
Posted by Wendybird (Member # 84) on :
LOL okay I just have to laugh because that picture of the Scene girls totally just looks like some glammed up 80s girls ala Cyndi Lauper. So really at its core its not new - they are totally copying my era Posted by sylvrdragon (Member # 3332) on :
To me, scene looks like a mix between emo and a candy kid (a genre of raver named such do to a predilection toward hallucinogenic drugs).
Candy kids generally dress in bright colors with bright beaded bracelets and necklaces along with blinking lights, the purposes of which are to enhance visual stimulation under the effects of drugs, namely ecstasy.
Posted by SoaPiNuReYe (Member # 9144) on :
It's an old fashion thing. It is popular because the jeans don't get in your legs' way while you skate and do tricks.
Posted by seven (Member # 5367) on :
I wonder when the distinction between "scene" and "emo" came to be. Because when I was going to concerts, "scene" was just used by people who thought that the term "emo" was stupid and didn't apply to what they listened to, and that people who used the term "emo" didn't really understand what it meant, etc. But to the outsider they would look exactly the same: jeans, studded belt, band t-shirt and black hair.
Posted by The Reader (Member # 3636) on :
Before now, the only thing I knew about "emo" was that it was slang from Ender's Game.
Posted by SteveRogers (Member # 7130) on :
I would just like to state my own amusement when one of these fashion monsters today discussed their disgust with the lack of punk in the new Panic at the Disco album. I'm not a Panic fan at all. But I found it amusing that they're comment was, "This doesn't sound like anyone else at all. What happened to their old sound? They're not punk anymore."
The new album is supposed to be more influenced by The Beatles and The Beach Boys. I guess you can see where their musical loyalty lies. With the bands that "sound like anyone else" that clog today's radio.
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So true.