This is topic Pronoun future-tense-of-locate pronoun in forum Books, Films, Food and Culture at Hatrack River Forum.


To visit this topic, use this URL:
http://www.hatrack.com/ubb/main/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=056666

Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Ok, can we get this out of the system? The available pronouns are:

I, me, thou, thee, he, she, it, we, us, you, they, them.

These can be combined grammatically or not, eg "Me will find thou". Additionally there are multiple dialect terms, and the 'will find' can also be dialectified, as in "Oi'll finds youse alls". Can we please keep the various clever permutations of these terms to this thread, instead of spamming new ones?
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
You missed her and him and left out the genative case altogether.

If you really want to simplify things. Go with Trini english.

I, me, you, he, she, we, they.

I will find she
She will find we
They will find he
 
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
Rabbit, I always get the cases confused. Her, him, I and they are accusative, his, hers, mine, and theirs genetive, right? Or am I on the totally wrong track? I'm slowly learning the Czech personal pronouns which come in 7 cases (though they are "folded" into 3 or 4), so this always confuses me. Me is nominative, I accusative, my locative/instrumental, mine genitive. Dative is folded into another case in Czech but I can't remember which. :Brain Asplodes:
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
Nominative == subject (I, he, she we)
Accusative == direct object (me, her, him, us)
Genative == possessive (my (mine), her(s), his, our(s), your(s)).
reflexive == (myself, yourself, ourself)

The other cases common in many indo/european languages include dative (indirect object), ablative, vocative, locative and instrumental. This are all declined the same as the accusative in English.
 
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
 
KOM also missed it and that.


If we limit ourselves to nominative and accusative declinations we have

I, me, thou, thee, he, him, she, her, it, that, you, we, us, they, them. (15 pronouns) which will gives 225 (169 if we leave out the archaic second person familiar) possible permutations of "pronoun will find pronoun".

If you include the 9 genative pronouns, there are 574 possible permutations.

[ January 26, 2010, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]
 
Posted by Sean Monahan (Member # 9334) on :
 
Shouldn't "ye" also be included?
 
Posted by King of Men (Member # 6684) on :
 
Plus dialect terms and attempts to be funny, as some would-be humorist - no names, no pack drill - has indeed attempted with 'wii'. Slapping his thighs with laughter, no doubt.

[ January 27, 2010, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: King of Men ]
 
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
 
Sure, pronouns get all the press. What about the other side of the issue? What about the anti-nouns? Huh? We never hear about them. We never hear the truth, man, because its a big Pro-Noun Conspiracy.

But I know.

You can find the truth on the web.

You can find it on certain AM radio shows.

You just can't find it in the grammar books.

Nazi's are bad.

So Grammar Nazi's must be bad.

And they are the ones behind it all.

They are the ones trying to pretend that Anti-nouns don't exist.

The truth is out there, man. Long live the antinouns. Silence the mean old pronouns!!!!
 
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
 
KoM, please avoid calling people names. Whether mentioning who they are specifically or not, it is a violation of the ToS.
 
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Darth_Mauve:
Sure, pronouns get all the press. What about the other side of the issue? What about the anti-nouns? Huh? We never hear about them. We never hear the truth, man, because its a big Pro-Noun Conspiracy.

Don't forget the neunouns. They are the most dangerous, ballistically speaking.
 
Posted by Ron Lambert (Member # 2872) on :
 
The word is "genitive" case. Not genative or genetive.

quote:
In grammar, the genitive case (abbreviated gen; also called the possessive case or second case) is the case that marks a noun as modifying another noun. It often marks a noun as being the possessor of another noun but it can also indicate various relationships other than possession; certain verbs may take arguments in the genitive case; and it may have adverbial uses (see Adverbial genitive). Modern English does not typically mark nouns for a genitive case morphologically – rather, it uses the apostrophe ’s or a preposition (usually of) – but the personal pronouns do have distinct possessive forms.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case

In Koiné Greek, which provided much of the basis for the grammatical rules we try to impose on English (with varying degrees of success), the genitive and "ablative" cases were combined, giving nouns the same ending. Genitive usually conveyed the idea of possession: "of." Ablative usually conveyed the idea of "from."

Everything in modern English is so complicated and inconsistent, with two words for everything, because it is actually a train-wreck between Anglo-Saxon and Norman French, thanks to the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

[ January 27, 2010, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Ron Lambert ]
 


Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2