Did it get deleted? If so, by who?
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
By me, I do not need constant nitpicking and "advice" on how to 'fix my life' in a thread where I'm trying to decide what I want for christmas with half of you making asinine suggestions that I get things like a treadmill.
(Post edited by Janitor Blade, language was a bit strong Blayne. I did get your whistle from earlier, but it seems you took care of business.)
I wouldn't be surprised if the next post was someone suggesting that I ask for COAL y'know to warm my house since OBVIOUSLY MY LIFE SUCKS and coal is just what I need right now to get things on track.
And then of course unwarranted, unasked for, unwanted, unappreciated criticism about me 'making excuses' as to why I don't have a drivers liscense or the other half dozen horse beating suggestions that I somehow magically in the middle of nowhere summon the physical fitness and will power to in the apparantly serious I'm not joking or making this up suggestion to bike 9 hour round trips just to 'broaden' my social life in some way.
No.
No thank you.
The goat suggestion ha ha fine funny ha ha, harmless.
I have had enough of this.
I'm sorry to the people who weren't making an ass of themselves in giving actually thoughtful suggestions (I already just emailed my brother inquiring about borrowing his guitar) but the thread was getting too aggravating for me.
[ November 16, 2010, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: JanitorBlade ]
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
Blayne: You should consider that many posters would not know the geography of where you live very well. I personally am quite out of shape, but a bicycle would be a fantastic gift for me. Where I live, just being able to ride a bike to say my place of employment or school would make my life so much better in terms of quality of life.
I'm sure you're out of shape, you've said so, and so initially riding a bike would feel like some form of torture, but in reality it makes you feel better afterward. You're healthier, you have more energy, your moods are better. When I got a bike for my birthday (before it was stolen) I started riding it to and from work and it was so difficult. I was so out of breath each way, and would stumble in the door and lurch into the shower. After a week or so, I suddenly started feeling like the trip wasn't so bleeding hard. By a month, it wasn't so bad, I was sweating maybe a little but nothing more.
Same thing happened in Beijing. I got a bike, started riding it everywhere, my muscles screamed at me when I went to bed that night, I was dripping with sweat when I got to my room, I had to shower after class everyday. But I felt great after a few days of that. Now, I'm back in Utah, I don't have a bike, I know I'm out of shape again. But I also know how important being in shape is.
I probably shouldn't guess but I'd wager you never much enjoyed physical activities, but they have so much to offer you if you get past the initial adjustment, just like learning to play on a brand new console that has just come out. You don't know the button layout, things feel clumsy and unresponsive, but eventually it gets ironed out with muscle memory.
Anyway, some people were undeniably being snide with their suggestions, but I think most people want you to get something different, unique. You already know what a 4th monitor will do for you, you have no idea what karate lessons might do for you. You are more than capable of figuring out what is or is not realistic, but try thinking outside your comfort zone just a bit.
I was once asked by my father on a vacation to spend the week getting scuba diving lessons, rather than boogie boarding, jet skiing, etc. Spending a week in a class with several hours of homework each evening sounded like the antithesis of a vacation, but my father asked me to trust him. I took him up on it, and I have loved every moment I've spent under the ocean, 30 meters down. My time playing video games easily crushes the amount of time I've spent scuba diving, but I recognize that there are diminishing returns to any activity.
You know how much you like video games, anime, etc. You don't know how much you would like X. You'd be amazed just how many Xs are out there, that can captivate you. That's all most people are trying to tell you.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Nearly every activity I have done always results in me thinking "What can I do to get this done faster to get back to doing what I like?"
I am already jogging 15 minutes a day with an 1 hour cool down walk and working my way up from there.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I was trying to be genuinely helpful when I suggested the bike. I think it would be good for you physically and emotionally. I also think it would be fun once you got used to it.
Also, 6 hours round trip turned to 9 hours and I didn't know it was that long when I recommended it. Even so, you would be able to make new friends. The cycling community is active and friendly. Another benefit.
A nice part is that you don't realize you're exercising because you're trying to get somewhere. You're so focused on the destination and surroundings that you forget that it's tedious.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Nearly every activity I have done always results in me thinking "What can I do to get this done faster to get back to doing what I like?"
I am already jogging 15 minutes a day with an 1 hour cool down walk and working my way up from there.
I've always been a much bigger fan of cycling over jogging. I can't stand jogging, I *love* cycling though.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
I'm the same way. The impact from jogging kills my knees, and I like to be able to go further distances for the time I have, so cycling is nice, and a lot easier on my body. However, I can't cycle where I am right now because it's far too hilly. I tried to cycle to school when I first moved and almost died from an asthma attack. However, there are beautiful cycling trails all over the place, and I love them oh so much.
In general I like cycling better. My ear buds never fall out of my ears from the jostling. I have a place to hold my water bottle. I get to see more things and go faster. I don't feel the teeth rattling impact whenever I hit the pavement. It's a great way to do a low-impact but great cardio workout while listening to some music or a podcast.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: By me, I do not need constant nitpicking and "advice" on how to 'fix my life' in a thread where I'm trying to decide what I want for christmas with half of you making asinine suggestions that I get things like a treadmill.
To be fair to them, and me, I think part of the motivation there was disgust for your lifestyle- that and everybody here knows, at least strongly suspects, you post things like this here knowing exactly what people are going to say. Personally I think you do it to punish yourself for the very faults that are being criticized. Makes some sense, right? You post a "Blayne" topic, you get criticized, then you get to exercise the defensive part of your brain by acting out your victim role- and it helps you convince yourself that we, who are only saying things you have certainly already considered in your heart of hearts, are really just a bunch of heartless bastards who want to see you fail- and this is why we advise you to do things that are good for you.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
*shrug* You can get physically fit and start doing some light, low impact physical fitness. The exercise bike suggestion was serious, Blayne. I (could have but didn't help being) was snide because of the very, very, very large numbers of times and threads you've made talking about video games, Internet, etc., coupled with complaints about things, and it seems to me that here we are, years later, and you're still largely posting about the same things, that's all. I was trying to be helpful.
If you got an exercise bike, you could use it, plop it down in front of your setup, possibly with a bit of extra work to rearrange things, and in surprisingly little time you'd be in substantially better shape. If you're a console guy it's even easier because you could just hold the thing in your hands while you exercise.
I mention that because I can tell you from experience that there's few better ways, like Jon mentions, to exercise than to exercise while exercising and also doing something else: either going somewhere or doing something else. BlackBlade's points are all rock-solid as well. You can take these constructive suggestions as the thoughtful, considerate advice they are, or scarf down some more electronics that'll be forgotten inside of a year, tops.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
For the record, Blayne, I am not disgusted by your lifestyle. I worry about the way you've deliberately restricted your options -- both professional and social -- to the things that are the easiest and most convenient, and not necessarily things that might be more fulfilling or promising in the long run. I have seen people do this, and their life winds up retracting into a routine that, while comfortable, is rarely satisfying.
Right now, you're in an interesting place. You haven't started a career yet, you have no real commitments, you have no major health issues, etc. In other words, none of the things that normally prevent people from experimenting with their options apply to your case. Now is the best time in the world for you to try to pick up new skills outside your comfort zone; it might be the last time in nearly thirty years that you're going to have the opportunity. So, yeah, pick up the guitar, or find a sport -- even shooting -- that you really enjoy, or discover a talent for carpentry or welding.
I strongly believe it should be something physical, something tactile. You have a tendency to live within the mental and physical spheres, and wear headphones to block out the world as much as to listen to music. This constitutes unwanted advice, I know, but I think you would be enormously relieved -- on a level that I don't think you're even consciously aware of -- to discover that you are joined to the rest of humanity on a physical, visceral level. There is a sense of profound accomplishment involved in learning to play a piece of difficult music, or hiking more than 25 miles in a day, or running your first mile in years, or building your own dresser. That's not to say that more electronic accomplishments don't give a similar rush, but it's a cheaper rush and, in its own way, more addictive; it's the difference between eating a meal and sucking on a lollipop.
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Nearly every activity I have done always results in me thinking "What can I do to get this done faster to get back to doing what I like?"
I am already jogging 15 minutes a day with an 1 hour cool down walk and working my way up from there.
I've always been a much bigger fan of cycling over jogging. I can't stand jogging, I *love* cycling though.
Add me to the list. I like walking and love cycling but have never been able to get into jogging. If you jog for an hour, you're barely going further than around the block. If you cycle for an hour, you can get somewhere interesting and different.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit:
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Nearly every activity I have done always results in me thinking "What can I do to get this done faster to get back to doing what I like?"
I am already jogging 15 minutes a day with an 1 hour cool down walk and working my way up from there.
I've always been a much bigger fan of cycling over jogging. I can't stand jogging, I *love* cycling though.
Add me to the list. I like walking and love cycling but have never been able to get into jogging. If you jog for an hour, you're barely going further than around the block. If you cycle for an hour, you can get somewhere interesting and different.
Add me aswell, I prefer cycling and skating, the bouncing motion of running makes me nauseous (wow that's a hard word to spell ,__,) and dizzy.
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: If you jog for an hour, you're barely going further than around the block. If you cycle for an hour, you can get somewhere interesting and different.
I want to point out that jogging/running isn't necessarily about the location/journey/destination. It's about the challenge. I ran a half-marathon this summer, and had never run more than 2 miles before. I started training in May, struggled until I hit the 3 mile mark in June, and then started to really enjoyed the runs, including the half-marathon in September. I also lost 10 pounds. The entire experience was very personal, very much an internal struggle. I would bike or drive or hike if I wanted to see the sights.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
White Whale it's not the same for everyone, jogging can be about many things, but if I wanted to jog for a challenge I would buy a treedmill(spelling??), the outfits some people wear when they are jogging, cycling, or biking are rediculous in my eyes.
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
First, jogging on a treadmill can be terribly boring. So boring that it might often stifle your desire to jog or get in shape.
Second, my shorts and a t-shirt worked just fine for me.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
The White Whale: Have you read Christopher McDougall's book, Born To Run?
That book made me want to take up running pretty badly, it also talks about just what is different about our running now as opposed to what ancient man would have done. Its extremely well written, a very compelling story, and an all around solid read. I recommend it very highly.
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I enjoy sprinting, as the exhilaration of suddenly bursting forward with speed and flying to your destination is very enjoyable. Jogging takes that speed away for me. Cycling things come at you fast at even a moderate speed, to say nothing of putting the front part of your feet on the pedals and engaging your warp drive. Slight downward inclines give you a fun boost, while upward ones provide a challenge.
Just talking about all this makes me want a bike pretty badly.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:...the outfits some people wear when they are jogging, cycling, or biking are rediculous in my eyes.
That's a pretty ridiculous objection to exercising.
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
I read that book. I actually already ran pretty badly.
[ November 16, 2010, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: Dobbie ]
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:...the outfits some people wear when they are jogging, cycling, or biking are rediculous in my eyes.
That's a pretty ridiculous objection to exercising.
Oh I exercise, I just don't wear spandex or special helmets, honestly any capible person can ride a bike without accident, I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
Oh yes,
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: I enjoy sprinting, as the exhilaration of suddenly bursting forward with speed and flying to your destination is very enjoyable. Jogging takes that speed away for me. Cycling things come at you fast at even a moderate speed, to say nothing of putting the front part of your feet on the pedals and engaging your warp drive. Slight downward inclines give you a fun boost, while upward ones provide a challenge.
Just talking about all this makes me want a bike pretty badly.
Blackblade i had a feeling kinda exhillerating ones before, I was on my rollerblades going somewhere between 10-20mp/h in the middle of the night on a cracked sidewalk, with only a distant streetlight and moonlight lighting the way, I watched the ground and felt um well I saw things strangely, felt like a fast moving cat maybe.. my field of vision rounded out like looking through a paper towel tube, but the detail and rate of speed I was seeing thing was amazingly clear even though I was moving rather fast... only had that feeling once in my life but the whole 5 minutes of it was awesome enough .__. ( I totally went outlier on that one)
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote: . You have a tendency to live within the mental and physical spheres, and wear headphones to block out the world as much as to listen to music.
*Blink*
Have you been in contact with my father or something?
Posted by shadowland (Member # 12366) on :
quote:Originally posted by The White Whale: First, jogging on a treadmill can be terribly boring.
Indeed. This is the main reason why I will be jogging outside in freezing temperatures throughout the winter rather than running at the gym.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
Jogging with music on through cities and such makes you more of a victum towards muggings and being raped /:
I am also unable to exercise seriously if I feel like I am being watched ... yaaaaaa I know...I'm wierd...
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: honestly any capable person can ride a bike without accident, I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
First, have you seen small children bike? Or walk, for that matter?
Second, do you go through life assuming that you'll never make a mistake, and that nothing bad will ever happen to you?
Third, I almost feel like I'm being trolled here...
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: The White Whale: Have you read Christopher McDougall's book, Born To Run?
No, but you're the third person to highly recommend it. I'll have to pick it up.
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: I just don't wear spandex or special helmets, honestly any capible person can ride a bike without accident, I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
And of course, unexpected road conditions, sudden flats, cars sideswiping you -- all those are totally in the rider's control.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:honestly any capible person can ride a bike without accident, I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
Even if that's true for you (it's never been true for me -- I reckon that crashing one's bike is a natural part of riding one), wearing a helmet often isn't meant to protect you from your own incompetence as a rider, but from the mistakes that others might make. Other people, driving cars that weigh more than 10x what you and your bike weigh, who go faster than you, and who far too often just don't see you.
Posted by shadowland (Member # 12366) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
You know, some of us haven't yet acquired the ability to control other people's actions, especially other drivers and riders. I'm pretty sure even small children are unable to keep from falling after getting hit by a car. It's not just a protection from ourselves; it's a protection from everyone else.
Posted by Ace of Spades (Member # 2256) on :
Failure to make your kid wear a helmet can lead to a lawsuit.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
A frivolous lawsuit, in that case.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
As others have indicated a helmet is indispensable as you cannot control the actions of others. Even if you are just nudged off your bike, a minor fall where your head takes the brunt of the impact can end in death.
While I was in Beijing studying, the superintendent of the program urged us all to please get helmets, (I couldn't find a bike shop that sold them, fortunately I never needed one) he had been living in Beijing for years, riding his bike, and never bought one. Finally his wife prevailed on him to get one and not 24 hours later he was hit by a car and hit the road so hard with his head he had a concussion even with a helmet on. I can only imagine how much more the damage would have been compounded without one.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I live in the countryside, no risk of muggings here unless its by angry bears.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Finally his wife prevailed on him to get one and not 24 hours later he was hit by a car...
Cause and effect?
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I live in the countryside, no risk of muggings here unless its by angry bears.
Challenge accepted!
Posted by Dobbie (Member # 3881) on :
Something similar happened to my uncle. He bought fire insurance and the next day his building burned down.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
The few bike incidents I have been in were because of deliberate recklessness, and I would never have been in a bike accident had I not been doing stupid things for fun... I learned my lesson, don't play with bike ramps made of scrap wood ( I landed on a board that started to slide and it caused my bike to fall on it's side and I slid a little on my side, went home took a nap and I was fine from my road rash).... as for watching for cars, depends where you are riding your bike, ultimetly a helmet won't help much if you're hit by a car >___>
As for the lawsuit comment, the government should have no right in judging what we decide for ourselves as safe; for instance if I don't wear a seatbelt I endanger no one but myself, so why can I be given a ticket for not wearing one /:
Posted by CT (Member # 8342) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: The few bike incidents I have been in were because of deliberate recklessness, and I would never have been in a bike accident had I not been doing stupid things for fun... I learned my lesson, don't play with bike ramps made of scrap wood ( I landed on a board that started to slide and it caused my bike to fall on it's side and I slid a little on my side, went home took a nap and I was fine from my road rash).... as for watching for cars, depends where you are riding your bike, ultimetly a helmet won't help much if you're hit by a car >___>
As for the lawsuit comment, the government should have no right in judging what we decide for ourselves as safe; for instance if I don't wear a seatbelt I endanger no one but myself, so why can I be given a ticket for not wearing one /:
I'd like to register a blanket state of disageement with pretty much each and every point; well, every statement excluding those of the poster about his own mental state (i.e., whether the recklessness was deliberate).
It's probably best to leave it at that, and I will. Carry on.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
There you have it, folks. CT recommends playing with bike ramps made of scrap wood.
Posted by CT (Member # 8342) on :
Ah, now, I looked at that, and I thought "hmmm, depends on the wood and the one assembling it." There can be good bike ramps made of scrap wood, although many are poorly made and should be avoided. I do disagree with the blanket statement.
My sweetie and I go messin' around in a backwoods park off the edge of the coast that has a whole traffic system of rotting, falling-apart scrap wood ramps and platforms for biking. It looks like the dark side of Endor. Don't play there.
But if I made a bike ramp of scrap wood, you could use it. If I let you.
Posted by shadowland (Member # 12366) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Nearly every activity I have done always results in me thinking "What can I do to get this done faster to get back to doing what I like?"
Have you ever considered creating a list of things that you might like that you've never done before or that you don't know if you'll like?
I'll add that jogging is exactly one of those activities that I never thought I'd have interest in doing but which I enjoy very much now.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
I knew it was reckless when I was doing it, but I was having fun, then I had to go one-up my buddy and well I succeeded and failed, I made the jump bravely then landed right, but the board slid and so did I... I sniffled up to my house and feel asleep on the couch, after which I felt much better... I do not recommend jumping ramps of scrap wood unless you plan on having a potential accident.
All in all you won't crash a bike unless YOU do something wrong, end of story. I trust myself enough not to screw up... so I wear no helmet >;o
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:All in all you won't crash a bike unless YOU do something wrong, end of story.
Crap! I could have sworn there was more to that story. But I guess I was wrong.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote: I trust myself enough not to screw up... so I wear no helmet
You know, the thing that irritates me the most is that you (and many others I've known with this level of...we'll say self-confidence) will probably make it through your entire life without incurring an injuring serious enough to change your perspective.
edit: not that I'd want you to get hurt.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
You're irritated that somebody by the idea of somebody not being seriously injured?
Posted by The Rabbit (Member # 671) on :
I have been two bicycle crashes in which I hit my head hard enough to break my helmet. The first time, I was mountain biking and my friends dog ran into my front wheel (I did not hit the dog, the dog hit me) which caused me to catapult of my handle bars. Unless you call mountain biking near a dog "doing something wrong", I crashed and did nothing wrong.
The second time I was making a sharp turn on glare ice. The temperature was 40 F and so I wasn't anticipating ice. Clearly I should have been.
My husband, who rides well over a hundred miles a week and has for decades, has been hit by cars 6 times. It has never been his fault. By shear luck, he hasn't ever been seriously injured although he's had several bikes destroyed and been taken to numerous emergency rooms.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:By shear luck
Heh. I'm imagining a new "luck" component in those shear stress diagrams I did in college.
Posted by Amanecer (Member # 4068) on :
quote:ultimetly a helmet won't help much if you're hit by a car
False. I've personally known three people that have been hospitalized from being hit by a car while cycling. (Dallas is not a biker friendly city.) In every case, the doctors said that without a helmet they probably would have died.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: You're irritated that somebody by the idea of somebody not being seriously injured?
No, I'm not a monster (that's you). It was more of a "life's not fair" complaint with a hint of jealousy for those with the physical prowess to back up that level of self-confidence. I'm a total klutz, so I take most safety precautions pretty seriously for fear of losing a limb or something.
You know, looking back on the spills I took as a kid, I'm actually astounded I never broke anything.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Oh I exercise, I just don't wear spandex or special helmets, honestly any capible person can ride a bike without accident, I don't see the point in helmets...( oh I get the point, falling and landing on your head would suck, but what person doubts their skill enough to assume they would fail doing something even small children can do without failing)
See, here's where I'm going to use your own 'no white lies' policy in speaking to you: you're speaking very foolishly, and so foolishly that it makes me very seriously doubt you actually adhere to that no white lies policy to the extent you actually a) espouse it and b) enjoy it when people do so towards you. As others have doubtless pointed out to you - I don't even have to look except to know that there are at least a few responses - you don't just wear a helmet because of the >0 chance that you will commit an error while cycling and possibly injure yourself, but that someone else will do so and injure you or cause you to injure yourself.
This is fundamental stuff here. Doubting your 'skills'? That's just stupid, Rawrain.
quote:All in all you won't crash a bike unless YOU do something wrong, end of story. I trust myself enough not to screw up... so I wear no helmet >;o
This is also stupid, and what's funny is you've told us the real reason you won't wear any sort of protective gear: because it looks ridiculous. If you find anyone who actually knows what they're doing on a bicycle to the extent that they do it professionally, by and large they do it with protective equipment. There's a reason for that: they enjoy continuing to do it uninjured, and probably realized, "Even if the helmet does look ridiculous - subjective - not wearing it is a badge of an entirely different sort."
For your own sake you ought to pull your head out of your ass before you get yourself hurt, not necessarily while exercising, but that sort of thinking, it dramatically increases the likelihood.
And besides, you're the 'no white lies' guy, right? You're concerned with content, not with things like appearance, right, right?
Right.
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This is just to prove a point. Well, two points, really. I won't be going on about this anymore with him, no worries, BlackBlade.
[ November 16, 2010, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Rakeesh ]
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote: I trust myself enough not to screw up... so I wear no helmet
Trust has nothing to do with it. It's simple physics.
My cousin - who is as close to a professional bicyclist as you can get - was recently very seriously injured in a biking accident. Was riding in a pack, got bumped, hit a curve and went end over end into a driveway, sliding and rolling a good twenty feet on solid pavement.
If it wasn't for his helmet, it would have probably killed him.
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by rollainm: I'm not a monster (that's you).
Wanna bet?
Posted by Raymond Arnold (Member # 11712) on :
I'm not a monster. I'm you!
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:My sweetie and I go messin' around in a backwoods park off the edge of the coast that has a whole traffic system of rotting, falling-apart scrap wood ramps and platforms for biking. It looks like the dark side of Endor. Don't play there.
But if I made a bike ramp of scrap wood, you could use it. If I let you.
It took some careful editing in my head, but I managed to read this post the way it was meant to be read, including the invitation to Porter to ask to be invited;)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: I'm not a monster. I'm you!
:lol:
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:You know, the thing that irritates me the most is that you (and many others I've known with this level of...we'll say self-confidence) will probably make it through your entire life without incurring an injuring serious enough to change your perspective.
edit: not that I'd want you to get hurt.
Well, if he was my brother, I'd definitely give him a sharp slap upside the head and then take him out idiot-watching at the local skate parks.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: I'm not a monster. I'm you!
Hehe.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by Amanecer:
quote:ultimetly a helmet won't help much if you're hit by a car
False. I've personally known three people that have been hospitalized from being hit by a car while cycling. (Dallas is not a biker friendly city.) In every case, the doctors said that without a helmet they probably would have died.
Um, we are talking about bicycles >__> not motorcycles of course you should wear a helmet on one of those..... XD just like you should wear a seat belt in a car, YOU SHOULD, but you shouldn't have to.
Posted by rollainm (Member # 8318) on :
quote: just like you should wear a seat belt in a car, YOU SHOULD, but you shouldn't have to.
Unbuckled passengers are an endangerment to others as well as themselves in an accident, so seat belts should very much be a requirement.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain:
quote:Originally posted by Amanecer:
quote:ultimetly a helmet won't help much if you're hit by a car
False. I've personally known three people that have been hospitalized from being hit by a car while cycling. (Dallas is not a biker friendly city.) In every case, the doctors said that without a helmet they probably would have died.
Um, we are talking about bicycles >__> not motorcycles of course you should wear a helmet on one of those..... XD just like you should wear a seat belt in a car, YOU SHOULD, but you shouldn't have to.
He was talking about bicycles, hence "cycling".
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Unbuckled passengers are an endangerment to others as well as themselves in an accident, so seat belts should very much be a requirement.
Not to mention an unbuckled passenger is much more likely to be seriously injured in an accident requiring more emergency assistance which ties up more infrastructure for a longer period, leads to greater insurance costs, etc. I've certainly never heard any rational argument against making seatbelts mandatory as a legal measure that isn't far, far outweighed by the arguments in support. Given that 'the right to endanger myself and possibly tie up the road, emergency personnel, and raise insurance rates of others in the name of personal freedom' is a pretty crappy argument.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I once had a very terrible accident while biking that by luck I don't recall hitting my head, but I did hit everywhere else and my laptop was in the bag... Although it didnt seem damaged (acers seem to be the ak47s of laptops) but it COULD have been worse.
I was biking on that raised little bicycle path on a overpass and at the end of it narrows suddenly and I misjudged the distance and tried to abort last second and screwed up.
Posted by Orincoro (Member # 8854) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh:
quote:All in all you won't crash a bike unless YOU do something wrong, end of story. I trust myself enough not to screw up... so I wear no helmet >;o
This is also stupid, and what's funny is you've told us the real reason you won't wear any sort of protective gear: because it looks ridiculous.
I've had two serious bicycle accidents, since i lived in a bicycle town. I also had friends lose teeth and crack their skulls or break other bones on their bikes. It was rarely their fault- people are remarkably good at looking out for their own safety most of the time.
I was hit by a car driven by an imbecile who didn't check the bike lane before pulling out in front of me, and I had a chain slip on a bike path and throw me head first over the handlebars onto the ground, where I herniated a disk and was disabled for nearly 3 months. Neither incident was my fault- considering in both cases I had exercised due diligence (my bike was well maintained). I never did wear a helmet, by the way, but never injured my head, thank god.
So this is just rawrain being a twit. That's ok- he wants to act like a twit because he thinks adults act like twits. One wonders why he would desperately want to be one.
Posted by Synesthesia (Member # 4774) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
quote: . You have a tendency to live within the mental and physical spheres, and wear headphones to block out the world as much as to listen to music.
*Blink*
Have you been in contact with my father or something?
Why is that a bad thing? I love listening to music on my in ear canals. Mostly because I have sound issues and everyday noises can drive me bonkers. Like gum popping. At the risk for nagging about nagging, don't nag Blayne. It's not nice.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: All in all you won't crash a bike unless YOU do something wrong, end of story.
Hey, kid — this is retarded. You are saying retarded things.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Yeah um, considering my greatest fear is getting hit by a car when biking to the point I deliberate bike against the flow of taffic (so I can see them coming and swerve off the road) yeah.
Oh and one time when I was just outside my house some drunk yahoos drove up behind me and then speed up aiming to drive me off the road deliberately.
You cant control what other idiots do.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Yeah um, considering my greatest fear is getting hit by a car when biking to the point I deliberate bike against the flow of taffic (so I can see them coming and swerve off the road) yeah.
Oh and one time when I was just outside my house some drunk yahoos drove up behind me and then speed up aiming to drive me off the road deliberately.
You cant control what other idiots do.
People aren't supposed to be drinking and driving, so as far as I can tell, you're only in danger from people are already not doing what their supposed to do, might as well go walk through a park and get shot.
Posted by El JT de Spang (Member # 7742) on :
You might as well, because you're a giant-sized imbecile. But please do it before you procreate.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: People aren't supposed to be drinking and driving, so as far as I can tell, you're only in danger from people are already not doing what their supposed to do, might as well go walk through a park and get shot.
Ah, so much for the narrative about being fine on a bike as long as you don't screw up.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:Ah, so much for the narrative about being fine on a bike as long as you don't screw up.
Yes, I noticed that too.
Rawrain, since you've slipped this in, I feel free to point out - again, in your blunt no white lies style - that this was a pretty chicken-crap way of admitting you were wrong, and it pretty much proves you know you're wrong about this, but don't want to admit it because that would, well, involve admitting you're wrong. That's not fun. It costs some pride. I personally don't like doing it, and forget to remember that it's better to suck it up and do it when I'm wrong frequently.
But admitting you're wrong has absolutely no bearing on whether or not you're actually wrong, though it often has a huge impact on your public appearance. Ironically much like a helmet, and not in the ways you think: not doing so makes you look ridiculous.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
.-. I don't get it, if you're on the road then get hit by a car, no matter who is driving and in what condition they are in, the situation can be completely and entirely avoided by no riding your bicylcle where large moving metal object with idiots behind them can hit you, it's just as much their fault as yours.... the only exceptions to these rules would be; Getting struck by lightning Having a Plane land/crash/fall on you large boulders falling off a near by cliff that just happen to hit you Avalanches A tree Getting hit by a meoteorite(right context???) And maybe just maybe the breaks in your bike break as you're going down a hill and having no way to stop you run into something (this would actually be your fault considering maintenence of the bike is on the user)
In most of those situations besides your brakes going out a helmet helping you is quite unlikely, I have heard of a break situation where a helmet helped (read it in a magazine thing that was promoting using helmets because of one highly unlikely incident with a kids breaks going out down a steep hill and ending up in a brick wall. save by a helmet ~~~)
I also make a recomendation not to be wearing pants that well parachute at the bottom, I've gotten stuck in the bikes gears and nearly crashed several times because of that XD
You won't need a helmet if: 1. You can ride a bike from point A to point B without falling off the bike due to well not practicing.
2. You stay a fair distice from other vehicles, always be paying attention, a helmet will not always save your ass, breaking your spine would suck just as much as ending up in a coma (opinionated statement)
3. Being reckless typically results in some kind of injury so don't do it unless of course you wear a helmet and probably some pads >___>
4. Remaining a distice from unmovable objects such as, brick walls, or houses, or even trees. Riding into one of these will probably do more damage to your bike than you, but this really depends on the speed you run into them.
5. Be more careful on rugged terrain, if you're not expecting a sudden shift in position you could potentially land on your head, mountain biking = helmet.
6. Making sharp turns on a bicyle is also a bad idea.
7. Stop at stop signs and red lights... that one explains itself.
8. Make sure your bike isn't going to fall apart when you're riding it, before you even get on it.
9. Ride a bike that fits your size......
10. PAY ATTENTION, I would assume most bike accidents are a result of drifting attention..... Oh, wow, look a rainb - bam, the bike tire hits a pebble on the ground and the bike plummets and you land on your noggin, why, because you were looking at the sky ~__~
.__. there maybe be a tip or 2 left out, but by following thems instructions your roughly garenteed not to get hurt ( this of course excludes the above exceptions example being, large objects falling from the sky in which case you're more likely to die at any rate)
Posted by mr_porteiro_head (Member # 4644) on :
Billy goats gruff.
Posted by Rakeesh (Member # 2001) on :
quote:.-. I don't get it, if you're on the road then get hit by a car, no matter who is driving and in what condition they are in, the situation can be completely and entirely avoided by no riding your bicylcle where large moving metal object with idiots behind them can hit you, it's just as much their fault as yours.... the only exceptions to these rules would be
You get it, you just don't want to admit it. This was made pretty clear by your reasons before: you don't wear even protective gear as simple as a helmet because 'it looks ridiculous', but you're also the guy who doesn't tell white lies because he doesn't care much what other people think.
Anyway, there are very few places indeed you can ride a bike where cars don't go. Cars are also not the only danger on a bicycle. You might get a sudden flat tire. An animal might leap out into the road. Your chain might slip or break. Your foot might slip. Accidents happen. Everyone of decent intelligence and wisdom knows this. Only fools don't.
We can safely consider this objection of yours dealt with decisively, Rawrain. It's a 100% non-starter.
quote: And maybe just maybe the breaks in your bike break as you're going down a hill and having no way to stop you run into something (this would actually be your fault considering maintenence of the bike is on the user)
In most of those situations besides your brakes going out a helmet helping you is quite unlikely, I have heard of a break situation where a helmet helped (read it in a magazine thing that was promoting using helmets because of one highly unlikely incident with a kids breaks going out down a steep hill and ending up in a brick wall. save by a helmet ~~~)
First of all, suppose it is your fault: good, so wear a helmet. Don't be a moron for the sake not not looking like a moron by not wearing a helmet. And no, it's not 'quite unlikely' that a helmet isn't going to help you. If something strikes you or you fall off your bike, you might land on your head, and chances are very good that if you don't have a helmet on it will hurt considerably more and perhaps even be much more harmful than otherwise.
So this is another objection of yours that has been relegated to the waste-heap of folly. The only real basis you've got for not wearing one is that 'they look ridiculous'. Nothing else you've said stands up to its own reasoning.
But, anyway, now that I get to the rest of your list, I see it's full of nonsense and you're not actually discussing this, so have a good time behaving foolishly in your pursuit of not looking ridiculous.
Posted by Parkour (Member # 12078) on :
I am a seasonal biker and I teach bike safety courses for school events. let me state that Rawrain is just horribly full of crap.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
My opinion is so, other people look rediculous with their helmets > so I must, I don't care what other think, but I do care what I think. Not to mention hats and helmets make my head itch insanely and they obstruct my view, putting me more at risk of having an accident.
Inspecting your bike before riding makes it even more unlikely something like the pedal breaking or even the chain breaking... but in typical cases the chain breaking or falling off wouldn't lead to a bike crash it would lead to braking and getting off the bike to put it back on or walk the bike someplace, a pedal breaking depends on how the person riding handles the break, it might throw some people off balance and cause them to crash but anyone who's been riding a while is skillfull enough to handle the off balance and not crash.
More important than anything else, PAY ATTENTION, it will save your life more than once. ________________________
Full of crap .-. from the age of 5 to 15 I rode my bike every single day for many hours, the main cause of all my accidents, was my shoe strings getting stuck in the chain, my fault for not tying them really.. I used the same bike for all those years taking pretty dang good care of it, only got a few flats, and the handlebars started getting stiff to turn, the pedal had broken, and the breaks wearn't all that great.. I would also spend a significant amount of time riding in streets that had occassional drunk drivers. The times I ever did crash, which were all when I was less than 7 was mostly from shoe strings and falling over XD because I got the bike too big for my size and I could barely reach the pedals. During those years I never not even once got close to being hit by a vehicle.
[ November 19, 2010, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Rawrain ]
Posted by shadowland (Member # 12366) on :
Rawrain, how big is the city that you live in? Can you acknowledge that different places have different riding conditions and that those conditions can vary greatly from the ones that you may be familiar with?
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
I've lived in many areas when I road my bike, but none of them were large cities like Miami or Memphis. Though in large cities sidewalks are far more common and is where I would infact ride a bike. But I lived urban areas with no sidewalks, but plenty of people.
I actually dread the area I live in now, there are no sidewalks and alot of cars, so travelling on the road with a bike is more like, ride a little, pull over let the cars pass that are getting too close, and repeat not much fun /:
11. Do not ride your bike when ice is on the ground.
Posted by shadowland (Member # 12366) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: Though in large cities sidewalks are far more common and is where I would infact ride a bike.
Riding on a sidewalk is illegal in every city that I've lived in.
quote:I actually dread the area I live in now, there are no sidewalks and alot of cars, so travelling on the road with a bike is more like, ride a little, pull over let the cars pass that are getting too close, and repeat not much fun /:
Pulling over to let cars pass is also not an option on many roads in many cities. You really shouldn't assume that the way you perceive things is true for everyone else.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I dont wear a helmot but only because I dont have any that properly fit, but at least I know its a risk and don't bike that often.
If I had the whereferal I'ld buy knee pads, biking gloves and a properly fitting helmet, as I haaaaaaate scraps.
I'ld really like a army surplus kevlar helmet, that would look fairly cool when biking.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
quote: Riding on a sidewalk is illegal in every city that I've lived in.
Depends on circumfrence of wheels, in Ontario anyways this is why theyre installing bizicle lanes everywhere.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:My opinion is so, other people look rediculous with their helmets > so I must, I don't care what other think, but I do care what I think. Not to mention hats and helmets make my head itch insanely and they obstruct my view, putting me more at risk of having an accident.
What is it going to take to make you realize that you're depressingly oblivious on the subject of bike safety?
Also, if you actually didn't care what others thought, you wouldn't care what you looked like with a helmet on. Like people who aren't retarded about bike safety.
Posted by The White Whale (Member # 6594) on :
How much longer does it take to spell words correctly? It must be significant, because no one is doing it anymore. I must have missed the meemo.
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
quote: Riding on a sidewalk is illegal in every city that I've lived in.
Depends on circumfrence of wheels, in Ontario anyways this is why theyre installing bizicle lanes everywhere.
That's pretty awesome :D Also if you want an Army helmet. there are stores that sell random military equipment like that .___. though I must tell you kevlar helmets have some weight in them and they do not adjust easily, but it is excellent protection if you're being shot at XD
Posted by rivka (Member # 4859) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Ironically much like a helmet, and not in the ways you think: not doing so makes you look ridiculous.
Well put.
mph, "Not by the hair of my chinny chin chin"?
Samp, would you please stop using that word?
Posted by Bokonon (Member # 480) on :
Good luck riding a bike in Boston, even in the bike lanes. The roads here weren't designed to accomodate bikes and cars, since most were built/created back when horses, cows, wagons, and foot-traffic were the only means of transportation.
*Mumbles about cowpaths-cum-thoroughfares*
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:My opinion is so, other people look rediculous with their helmets > so I must, I don't care what other think, but I do care what I think. Not to mention hats and helmets make my head itch insanely and they obstruct my view, putting me more at risk of having an accident.
What is it going to take to make you realize that you're depressingly oblivious on the subject of bike safety?
Also, if you actually didn't care what others thought, you wouldn't care what you looked like with a helmet on. Like people who aren't retarded about bike safety.
I'm retarded about bike safety? Nope I am increadibly careful when I am on a bicycle. Like I said before, I trust myself enough to not get into an incident. I don't deny the possibility of getting into an accident, I mearly go by how unlikely it is given how I ride my bike.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Samp, would you please stop using that word?
quote:I'm retarded about bike safety? Nope I am increadibly careful when I am on a bicycle. Like I said before, I trust myself enough to not get into an incident. I don't deny the possibility of getting into an accident, I mearly go by how unlikely it is given how I ride my bike.
There's a reason I called you depressingly oblivious, and it pertains perfectly to why you are clearly unable to fathom what's wrong with the things you are saying. The things you're saying here are flat out facepalm-inducing stupid, but you don't understand that, or why. It's the very essence of obliviousness.
I also have terrible personal bike safety and I don't wear a helmet either, but I don't come up with mewling justifications for not doing so, like assuming it 'helps clear up my vision' to avoid accidents or whatever.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
I like my friends response to me when I mentioned I'ld like to wear an army helmet.
"Blayne... What does Bicycle helmets protect you from?" "Blunt impact trauma?" "And what do army helmets protect you from?" "shrapnel..."
Posted by Rawrain (Member # 12414) on :
Obscured vision is a rather large cause of accidents XD, oh I get it alright, wear a helmet assuming I do get into an accident of some sort, also assuming this accident would do damage to my head of all things....
I like my way better, assume I am skilled enough to ride a bicycle without risking injury to my head, and avoiding any probable cause of having damage done to my head.
Assume assume assume assume assume..... In the thousands of times I rode my bike only 1 of them was an accident, hell not even that I was being very reckless so it wasn't even an accident it was somewhat expected.
Wearing a helmet is only a good idea assuming you would actually get hit on your head. __________________
Also, pretty funny Blayne XD
Posted by Parkour (Member # 12078) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rawrain: Obscured vision is a rather large cause of accidents XD, oh I get it alright, wear a helmet assuming I do get into an accident of some sort, also assuming this accident would do damage to my head of all things....
I like my way better, assume I am skilled enough to ride a bicycle without risking injury to my head, and avoiding any probable cause of having damage done to my head.
Assume assume assume assume assume..... In the thousands of times I rode my bike only 1 of them was an accident, hell not even that I was being very reckless so it wasn't even an accident it was somewhat expected.
Wearing a helmet is only a good idea assuming you would actually get hit on your head. __________________
Also, pretty funny Blayne XD
Actually, I take it back. Don't wear a helmet, there is nothing needing protection.
Posted by Blayne Bradley (Member # 8565) on :
Now thats going a lil' far.
He laughed at my joke afterall.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I like my friends response to me when I mentioned I'ld like to wear an army helmet.
"Blayne... What does Bicycle helmets protect you from?" "Blunt impact trauma?" "And what do army helmets protect you from?" "shrapnel..."
What you need is one of these. It's all the rage, and the chicks dig it.
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