My wife an I just finished watching the full DVD collection of Buffy, all 7 seasons. It took us a few months.
Now I have that empty, yet accomplished feeling. I got the same feeling after I did a Lord of the Rings day, where I watched the Trilogy back to back to back.
Is there a name for this phenomenom?
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
quote: In a study published in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships,Jonathan Cohen, of the Department of Communication at the University of Haifa in Israel, examined the responses of television viewers to the potential loss of their favorite television characters. Cohen found that viewers anticipated experiencing the same negative reactions to parasocial breakups as they experience when their real social relationships dissolve. Even though parasocial relationships may offer a quick and easy fix for unmet belonging needs, individuals within these relationships may not be spared the pain and anguish of relationship dissolution.
You are not alone.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by RivalOfTheRose: My wife an I just finished watching the full DVD collection of Buffy, all 7 seasons. It took us a few months.
Now I have that empty, yet accomplished feeling. I got the same feeling after I did a Lord of the Rings day, where I watched the Trilogy back to back to back.
Is there a name for this phenomenom?
I don't know, but check out WaTchers for a few more "seasons".
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
Yes, it's called "Pop in the Angel DVDs."
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stephan:
quote: In a study published in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships,Jonathan Cohen, of the Department of Communication at the University of Haifa in Israel, examined the responses of television viewers to the potential loss of their favorite television characters. Cohen found that viewers anticipated experiencing the same negative reactions to parasocial breakups as they experience when their real social relationships dissolve. Even though parasocial relationships may offer a quick and easy fix for unmet belonging needs, individuals within these relationships may not be spared the pain and anguish of relationship dissolution.
This is why I have had the Netflix copy of The End of Time sitting in my DVD player for over a month.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
My girlfriend and I have been going through the 7 season DVD collection. We're halfway through season 6 (I've watched them before, but she hasn't).
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I watched the last season of Lost over the holidays with my family, and the last episode still left me a crying heap even though I'd seen it before back in the spring.
It's so hard to let go and accept that there is no more story.
Posted by Stephan (Member # 7549) on :
I'm still upset over Quantum Leap.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
The official term is "Post Watch-em Depression."
Posted by Pegasus (Member # 10464) on :
That's why I fizzle out near the end and don't finish.... It's happened with Angel, Buffy, & BSG. I have really got to watch those last seasons...
Posted by Fyfe (Member # 937) on :
Yep, Angel. Watch Angel. The nice thing about Angel is the fifth season is dramatically less good than the others, so when it's over you won't feel so sad about it.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
Funny. Some friends and I have been gathering on Tuesdays to watch Buffy and have dinner together for some time now. We're almost done with season 6. It's the first time I've seen the show- it always had that kind of "popular show" aura about it that makes me nervous, and watching it now I'm certainly glad I didn't try to come in halfway through.
Posted by Tarrsk (Member # 332) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: Yep, Angel. Watch Angel. The nice thing about Angel is the fifth season is dramatically less good than the others, so when it's over you won't feel so sad about it.
This is the wrongest statement ever to be wrongly stated. The fifth season is the bestest.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I've tried to make it through the fifth season twice and failed each time.
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
That's how I felt at the end of BSG and the end of Harry Potter.
I mean there are always more good shows, but, the really great ones only seem to come along every couple years.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
I actually got this at the end of playing a video game.
System Shock II: once it was over, I was kind of like 'whelp, I'm not gonna get to play anything that cool or immersive in a long, long time.'
Then I remembered all the great times going through the game and was sad that it was all pretty much over! And that, if I could, I'd evaporate my memory of the game for a week so I could experience a playthrough all over again like new!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tarrsk:
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: Yep, Angel. Watch Angel. The nice thing about Angel is the fifth season is dramatically less good than the others, so when it's over you won't feel so sad about it.
This is the wrongest statement ever to be wrongly stated. The fifth season is the bestest.
It was definitely great. The two parter at the end was simply magnificent.
Posted by ambyr (Member # 7616) on :
As opposed to the fourth season, which I have been struggling to finish for five years now against overwhelming hate for the [insert relationship spoiler here] plotline. Two episodes to go! I'll get on that . . . soonish.
Posted by BlackBlade (Member # 8376) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I actually got this at the end of playing a video game.
System Shock II: once it was over, I was kind of like 'whelp, I'm not gonna get to play anything that cool or immersive in a long, long time.'
Then I remembered all the great times going through the game and was sad that it was all pretty much over! And that, if I could, I'd evaporate my memory of the game for a week so I could experience a playthrough all over again like new!
I know exactly what you mean. I've never understood why System Shock 2 didn't do *far* better in terms of sales than it did. Did people just not know about it?
Posted by jebus202 (Member # 2524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fyfe: Yep, Angel. Watch Angel. The nice thing about Angel is the fifth season is dramatically less good than the others, so when it's over you won't feel so sad about it.
Like Harry Potter 7.
Posted by advice for robots (Member # 2544) on :
I'm still pretty sad that there's no more West Wing.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
Must... resist... urge... to... divest... others'... joy... in... System Shock 2...
Posted by Geraine (Member # 9913) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I actually got this at the end of playing a video game.
System Shock II: once it was over, I was kind of like 'whelp, I'm not gonna get to play anything that cool or immersive in a long, long time.'
Then I remembered all the great times going through the game and was sad that it was all pretty much over! And that, if I could, I'd evaporate my memory of the game for a week so I could experience a playthrough all over again like new!
Oh so true. System Shock II was great.
I felt the same way after the original Deus Ex, as well as Xenogears/Xenosaga Episode III.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Is Buffy really that great? I watched the first two episodes the other day and thought they were pretty mediocre and by-the-numbers. Does the show get much better in later eps?
I love Firefly and Dollhouse, but those both started out a lot stronger than what I've seen from Buffy so far.
Posted by ambyr (Member # 7616) on :
Yes. It's really that great.
Posted by RivalOfTheRose (Member # 11535) on :
Season one is kind of goofy, by seasons 2 and 3 it gets better.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Is it possible to just start with Season 2?
I kind of wish I'd done that with The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
Posted by ambyr (Member # 7616) on :
Mmm. Yes, but you'll be missing some important backstory. If you're the sort of person who's fine just filling in the gaps by reading Wikipedia summaries, that shouldn't be a problem. If not, I'd recommend skipping around a bit and watching Witch (introduces a recurring character, kind of fun), Angel (not at all my favorite episode but contains some important info), Out of Mind, Out of Sight (character development for Cordelia and also kind of fun), and Prophecy Girl (sets up the next season).
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I am going to second (third?) that season one is pretty bad, but after that it improves dramatically.
Posted by Nighthawk (Member # 4176) on :
Beyond an episode here and there, I only saw the last season in its entirety and was rather impressed by it. It's pretty easy to pick up the backstory, I think.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
OK, I'll try season two.
quote:Originally posted by Geraine:
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I actually got this at the end of playing a video game.
System Shock II: once it was over, I was kind of like 'whelp, I'm not gonna get to play anything that cool or immersive in a long, long time.'
Then I remembered all the great times going through the game and was sad that it was all pretty much over! And that, if I could, I'd evaporate my memory of the game for a week so I could experience a playthrough all over again like new!
Oh so true. System Shock II was great.
I felt the same way after the original Deus Ex, as well as Xenogears/Xenosaga Episode III.
I need to try these games! Mass Effect 1 and 2 both left me terribly depressed and wanting more.
Posted by Dr Strangelove (Member # 8331) on :
Luckily there will be third!
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
And then the mental fallout of finishing it will be even worse.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
The first season of Buffy is only 13 episodes long, so it's not that arduous to watch.
Posted by Teshi (Member # 5024) on :
The first season of Buffy is only 13 episodes long, so it's not that arduous to watch.
Posted by Vadon (Member # 4561) on :
When I suggest the show to friends, I tell them the first season doesn't exist. At least, not until they watch the rest of it. I don't think the first season is awful, per se, but it's certainly not how I like folks to be introduced to Buffy.
The nice thing with the start of the 2nd season is first episode has a pretty good summary of the first season in the "Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer." So long as they watch that closely, they won't miss major plot details. The only thing they'll lack are a couple of the recurring jokes, which isn't that bad.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
OK, this show is very good. Thanks for the advice about skipping season 1. I'm about halfway through 3 at this point.
The characters are mostly excellent, with a couple of exceptions -- Xander sometimes drives me up a wall and Oz I could take or leave. But Spike may be the most likable villain in TV history. I gather he becomes more important later on, which is an exciting prospect.
I'm looking forward to the rest of this show!
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
Yeah I think that they initially intended Spike to be a brief character, but he was so well liked he stuck around. For a long time.
Posted by AchillesHeel (Member # 11736) on :
From what I remember it was the chemistry between Marsters and Boreanaz that made them re-write the Spike character entirely and make him a bit more concrete in the canon mythos.
Posted by Alcon (Member # 6645) on :
I watched all of Buffy (all seven seasons) in a matter of a month or two during the summer after my senior year of high school. After it was over I got hammered by post watch 'em depression. It was the first time I'd ever experienced it. It was weird. Yep, you're not alone Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
OK, Season 5 was the best yet. BUT the very end of the finale was not done well at all.
SPOILERS: . . . . . .
Buffy's rationale for sacrificing herself was complete nonsense. If "the flow of blood has to stop" meant that Dawn's life needed to end, there was no real reason to believe that Buffy's death would accomplish the same purpose. They have the "same blood" because they're sisters? That makes zero sense, especially because on their interpretation of the passage, it's not literally about blood but rather about Dawn's death.
But moreover, I didn't see any rationale for reading it that way in the first place. Why didn't they try bandaging Dawn's wounds first?
Anyway, I loved the season but I thought it was cheap to have Buffy kill herself at the end without any sensible reason to do so. If they wanted to have her sacrifice herself, it would've been easy to have Glory kill her.
Posted by hef (Member # 12497) on :
Destineer, you're probably right about that "flow of blood" being a plot hole.
But I think that blood as a metaphor for life had been set up earlier in the season. In "Fool for Love," Spike has that conversation with Buffy about why blood is important. I believe he actually says blood is life. Blood clearly means more than just the fluid in your veins. Also add that to the primitive's assertion to Buffy that "death is your gift." Her sacrifice was fairly well telegraphed.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
I think there was something in the story that hinted that Dawn had been made out of Buffy somehow, as if they used her DNA as a template and then messed with it a bit. Like in the 'Doctor's Daughter' episode of Doctor Who. Non-identical cloneage. And the portal thing was open already - someone had to close it up.
But you know, in reality it was just a huge cliffhanger and probably made it more likely that the show would be picked up by another network. I could have lived without season 6 (Buffy is a hot-chocolate, duvet, comfort show for me - so season 6 was horrible - I did like the musical), but I enjoyed 7 - probably for the same reasons that I loved the last season of LOST.
Anyway, I'm watching season 5 again at the moment in Spanish. The dub's not bad at all, except for the fact that of course 'Riley' is pronounced like 'really'. So when Buffy's watching him fly away in the helicopter, all tragic and weepy, I'm giggling because to me she's screaming 'Really? Really!'
And then later when Dawn is on the ledge bleeding (because 'Dawn' comes out 'down'). 'Down! Down!' - no, that's not the direction you want her to go in.
Confusing.
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
But I loved how Giles dealt with Ben in the end.
Posted by Bella Bee (Member # 7027) on :
That was an incredible moment. In fact, Giles in both guises was my second favorite character in the show, and that scene played into it.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Season 1 of Buffy isn't actually -bad-, it's actually -good- (when compared to most other shows) it's only a testament to Joss and co about how much the show grows and improves that most fans count season one as "bad".
I usually have the same kind of reaction when finishing off a long series of books. Oh the bitter-sweetness of it all (just not Lord of the Rings, I was thankful to be done with that, oouuf!)
Posted by RivalOfTheRose (Member # 11535) on :
Destineer,
I believe it may have ended that way due to the show not being picked up by the network the following year. Another network eventually picked it up. If you watch Angel too, you can notice that the crossovers pretty much come to a complete stop after that season.
[ March 17, 2011, 10:36 AM: Message edited by: RivalOfTheRose ]
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: Season 1 of Buffy isn't actually -bad-, it's actually -good- (when compared to most other shows) it's only a testament to Joss and co about how much the show grows and improves that most fans count season one as "bad".
I don't think it was bad compared with the shows being made at that time. But by the standards of the good shows from the present day, it's pretty bad. Buffy season 1 is pretty mediocre compared with the first season of shows like Veronica Mars, Terminator: SCC, Rome, Battlestar Galactica, Big Love, or Whedon's other work (Firefly and Dollhouse, or Season 1 of Angel). Whereas the other seasons hold up very well even compared to these shows.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
Not too sure about the others but I'd absolutely put Buffy S1 ahead of Dollhouse S1 (or the season in which Eliza Dushku runs around in different costumes while I sit around waiting for scenes with Topher.)
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I'm with Shanna here. Dollhouse S1 was so bad, at least at the beginning, that I stopped watching the show. But Buffy S1 doesn't compare to a number of other shows listed; e.g., Veronica Mars and BSG (I think that season 1 of BSG beats every season of Buffy). On the other hand, it is much better than, say, Xena.
Destineer: Be prepared for Buffy to start getting much worse. By the end, you're happy it's canceled.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
I think I just liked Dollhouse better than a lot of people.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I loved Buffy, while admitting that there are some stupid bad moments (think loanshark shark demon for kittens debt, buffybot, mayor McSnake, etc.) but it was still a better show then Dollhouse ever was.
Angel is good too, but Firefly was the best.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I loved the mayor. Favorite season finale of all time.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Dude, I liked the shark!
The Buffy-Spike 'ship is a dream come true.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
With the exception of the infamous bathroom scene. I don't know which writer was having a horrible week when they came up with that.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
The shark was meh but the kittens were fantastic. The others I don't really feel strongly either way about.
[ March 19, 2011, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
I must be weird in that I REALLY liked season 6. Yeah I still think 5 and 7 were the best but there is just something about 6 that I really dig. I guess it's that I just like dark shows and 6 was the darkest of them all. I think it gets a bad rap because the ending wasn't as good as some others but in between were some magic moments. The scene early on when Buffy tells Spike where she really had been after her death is to me one of the all time great gut wrenchers.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shanna: With the exception of the infamous bathroom scene. I don't know which writer was having a horrible week when they came up with that.
Having just watched that scene, I thought it was a pretty effective way of having Spike hit rock bottom, which he'd definitely been cruising for.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
**SPOILERS**
That scene was pretty painful to watch, but I think it was an important element in Spike and Buffy's relationship. She was really over him, didn't love him, and he pushed it to the point that he finally understood that.
And even though they were friends and emotional supports for each other, after that point their relationship had forever changed, and was never physically romantic again.
In many ways, their relationship post bathroom scene/ensouling was a more adult one, one of real connection instead of previously which was more of a teenage, turn your back on your problems, push the limits kinda deal.
[ March 25, 2011, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Stone_Wolf_ ]
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Hey, hey, careful with the spoilers! I'm watching S6 for the first time.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Sorry!
Posted by Lisa (Member # 8384) on :
OMWF was so good that I got chills just reading through the Wikipedia article on it.
Best Buffy eps:
Beginnings Part II Restless Hush The Body Once More, With Feeling Showtime
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: OMWF was so good that I got chills just reading through the Wikipedia article on it.
Best Buffy eps:
Beginnings Part II Restless Hush The Body Once More, With Feeling Showtime
I hate musicals but Spike rocking it out was worth it. Posted by Sa'eed (Member # 12368) on :
Conservations With Dead People was pretty stunning.
Posted by RivalOfTheRose (Member # 11535) on :
Between the two series, spike is easily my favorite character.....
*SPOILERS*
Even though he always gets dumped on, it is always nice when he it redeemed, like his death at the end of Buffy and the last season of Angel when he whoops Angel to get the fake goblet of sorrow. Also, when he finally gets with Buffy.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
These potential slayers are driving me nuts. Could they have found a more pitiful bunch of bad actresses?
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
Hey! One of them is Felicia Day, who goes on to do Dr. Horrible...
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
And The Guild!!
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Oh yeah, that one's OK. The others are unbearable, though. Especially Kennedy.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I just watched the S4 finale earlier today, and am starting on S5. I know a fair amount of spoilers from this thread and other places, but I guess I hadn't ever realized that Buffy gets a random sister at the beginning of S5.
Not sure what I think of that (And yes. I know that it gets explained later on).
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
It's been a decade for me and I still don't know how I feel about the while Dawn thing.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
I did not like the addition of Dawn. There were a lot of plot choices that I didn't like, but that one just seemed ridiculous.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
My girlfriend hates Dawn more than any other character. Especially when she first entered the show. She also says that "the potential slayers were, by and large, just annoying. Slowly as the seasons progressed as they added on characters, they just got increasingly annoying and contrived."
Posted by Lyrhawn (Member # 7039) on :
"Hush" is one of my favorites, actually, one of my favorite episodes of anything ever.
Posted by Sterling (Member # 8096) on :
My wife once stated the opinion that Dawn makes a heckuva lot more sense if you assume she was written to be, say, six rather than fifteen.
You know, the self-centered attitude, the melodramatic lack of perspective, the temper tantrums, the lack of common sense, the inability to recognize that her actions put herself and others in danger...
Oh, I might mention I'm not exactly fond of Dawn. She has a moment or two, and I really think it's more about how she's written than how she's played, but she's like every other Buffy character's most mopey and irritating characteristics without character growth, resolution, or an "off" switch.
Posted by plaid (Member # 2393) on :
I thought Dawn was another case of TV writers just not knowing how to write teenagers (like Connor on Angel, or Welsey on ST:TNG. They don't know what to do with them... so they make them moody or troubled or impulsive.
Posted by Destineer (Member # 821) on :
Oh, I thought Dawn was awesome in Season 5. (Not so much after that.)
The Dawn-Spike dynamic was so cute. They kind of ruined that a ways into season 6, though. Really they just stopped paying attention to that particular relationship. It made me angry.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
They were so absurd in concept. Buffy suddenly getting a sister? Connor entering the show? The decision that these plot devices made sense in the Buffyverse felt insulting.
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I liked Connor being born. But not the return.
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
Yeah. I mean how they returned him.
Posted by Chris Bridges (Member # 1138) on :
quote:Originally posted by plaid: I thought Dawn was another case of TV writers just not knowing how to write teenagers (like Connor on Angel, or Welsey on ST:TNG. They don't know what to do with them... so they make them moody or troubled or impulsive.
One reason I like the daughter on Castle. She's not any of them.
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chris Bridges: One reason I like the daughter on Castle. She's not any of them.
She is great.
As for Dawn, I too thought the whole thing silly and contrived but the ending kinda made it all worth it.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
She's better in season 8!
Posted by scholarette (Member # 11540) on :
I think it is weird that the writers had so many problems writing Dawn. The first 3 seasons of Buffy were high school kids and they worked. I think the problem comes in when writers have a mostly adult world and try to put the kids into the action. In Castle, the daughter is not really part of the cases. She is still part of the teen world.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I just watched The Body for the first time; it was amazing.
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shawshank: I just watched The Body for the first time; it was amazing.
And absolutely heart wrenching. Possibly the best episode of a TV show that I NEVER want to watch again.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
I'll admit I started tearing up watching that episode. It was tough. It was also the best depiction of grief I've ever seen captured on television.
In other, lighter, news- I love Anya. She's my favorite character not one of the main three.
Posted by Wingracer (Member # 12293) on :
Mine too.
Spoiler......... . .
. . . . . . I still can't believe Xander dumped her.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I agree with Destineer about the Dawn/Spike relationship, it was a great way to show Spike's caring and protective side, it made Spike feel like a more rounded character.
Best Buffy:
The Body, Hush, Once More With Feeling, Tabula Rasa, Life Seriel, The Zeppo, The Wish, Band Candy, Doppelgangland, Conversations w/ Dead People, Normal Again
Dawn...poor little Dawny...written specifically to be an annoyingly painful drag of a little sister, congrats writers, you succeeded.
Ayna...Zander never deserved her, she is the only Buffy character I had a real crush on (Willow almost had me, but she always felt a little too much like a little sister).
I have had serious problems trying to get people to give Buffy a fair chance. For some reason a lot of people just won't even consider it.
Posted by Shanna (Member # 7900) on :
I also adored Anya. I always felt so bad for her because none of the other characters really seemed to understand her and where she was coming from.
Posted by Shawshank (Member # 8453) on :
So I just watched Once More With Feeling and Tabula Rasa.
They were both great episodes. Watching Anya and Giles think they were engaged- absolutely hysterical.
I was so pissed off at Willow though. She's just being a big awful. She needs to stop it, and I felt terrible for Tara.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
"Sarah Michelle Gellar says she was shocked by sex scenes in Buffy The Vampire Slayer.
She claims some of the scenes were like a bondage movie, reports the Daily Star.
"It became very S&M and I felt degraded as an actress," Gellar tells this month’s Elle magazine.
The 27-year-old actress says the series left her bruised and tired.
"It was exhausting - physically and emotionally," she says. "There were at least two fight scenes in every episode. I never wore skirts for years because of all the bruises." Source:http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=4510
The daily star is a tabloid, but the quotes are from a legitimate source.
I haven't really thought about this actively before; I remember thinking at the time that it was pretty degrading and debased the show a bit, but I didn't actively consider it. It may actually be morally disgusting that she had to do that.
Edit: I also love that Once More with Feeling and Tabula Rasa, two of my favorite episodes, come one after another.
[ January 01, 2013, 04:23 AM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
It always kinda bugs when people whine about the only great thing they will ever do.
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
I don't feel like it's whining. I think it's a legitimate complaint--she should not have been forced to do anything (especially sexual) that she did not feel comfortable. It is bordering on molestation. She shouldn't have even had to voice her concerns loudly because Whedon should have asked her if she was comfortable with it. Think the ridiculous sex scene that knocks down the building.
In other news, I just realized how careful they were with who couldn't remember their own names in Tabula Rasa.
Edit for typo.
[ January 01, 2013, 05:55 AM: Message edited by: JonHecht ]
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Borderline molestation? Pull the other one!
She is a professional actress, and a full fledged adult, and could have simply said no.
Bleh!
Posted by Marek (Member # 5404) on :
Could anyone remember their own name in Tabula Rasa?
It doesn't seem they were getting at anything special there
Posted by JonHecht (Member # 9712) on :
The only people who didn't figure out their own names early on were Buffy and Spike. They also had their own separate story line going on and were going through big identity crisises at the time. If it wasn't intentional, it fits really well.
Edit: I suspect that it's intentional, as the episode is largely an exploration of the identities the characters.
Posted by Marek (Member # 5404) on :
The part that I found the most interesting was when they poked fun at themselves, which they do a few times that season. when Xander went by Alex, pointing out how unusual his actual nickname is. And like when Spike talked about being the vampire in love with the slayer, the epic forbidden love. And Buffy was like, "that's stupid". Right up there with "Normal Again" where they took shots at all the outlandish plot twists, and "crazy" aspects of the show
Posted by LargeTuna (Member # 10512) on :
I finished the series yesterday
*SPOILERS*
Pretty much my favorite characters throughout show were Anya and Spike. Needless to say, the finale was completely brutal.
And I love most of the same episodes as everyone else, but an especially memorable moment is from The Zeppo when Xander grabbed the zombie from a moving car and shouted "where is the bomb?". He's pretty much batman in that episode.
And I totally didn't expect Andrew to win me over so much over the course of season 7.
Personally, I didn't mind the plot holes and ridiculous twists.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
The Zeppo and Anya and Spike are my faves too!
Posted by dabbler (Member # 6443) on :
Aside: It was cute seeing Alyson Hannigan on scene with Seth Green in the latest episode of How I Met Your Mother.
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
The depiction of Willow's relationships with Tara and with Oz are examples of the best relationship writing ever. You should not be a screenwriter until you've studied how the writers made that trio work. (Part of the success is the amount of time the writers were allowed to build into the relationship.)
Posted by Scott R (Member # 567) on :
Also: when Oz left was the beginning of the downhill slide for me. It was a slow slide, granted.
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