As we sit here there are many young people being fed pro-terror propaganda. They are being told on slick, fancy social media that being a Jihadist is manly, and noble, pious and brave.
That is of course wrong.
The Western media responds to this propaganda by describing Jihadists as frightening, dangerous monsters.
Most kids I know, in that 13-25 year range, love frightening, dangerous monsters. Who is the favorite DC Superhero? Batman. Why? because he is more of a frightening, dangerous monster than Superman. Who is the most popular Marvel hero? Deadpool. Yeah, he surpassed Wolverine, who was a frightening, dangerous, monstrous hero, by Deadpool being even more frightening, dangerous, and monstrous.
Who is the most iconic Star Wars character, Luke or Darth Vader? Evil is sexy, so calling Jihadists evil really doesn't damage their recruiting effort.
What would hurt their recruiting effort? What is the one thing that serious, suicidal Jihadists can't stand--to be laughed at. If you are going to die for a cause, you imagine how people will run away screaming, how your name will be whispered in awe--not how you will be the butt of every comedian in the world. No one wants to die a laughingstock.
In order to defeat the Jihadists Propaganda machine, and to fight the narrative of Honor, Manliness, Nobility, and Piety of Jihad, we need to show their Pettiness, their lack of manliness, their ignoble low sides, and their satanic side.
We can do this by creating jokes, and passing them around.
Yet me must do this as surgically as a drone strike. We can't make Islamic Jokes, or Persian Jokes, or Syrian Jokes. This is not about faith or nationality or skin color. Its all about the stupidity of the Jihadist movement.
Make the heroes of the jokes Imams, and other Muslims. Make the butts of the jokes ISIS, Al Queda, Boka Haram, and Taliban members.
For example:
A young Egyptian engineer, a 70 year old Imam and an ISIS general were taking a plane across Syria when the pilot announced over the phone, "Attention. The Syrian Airlines in its infinite efficiency forgot to fuel up or gas tanks. We will be running out of fuel in a few minutes. Following the lead of our glorious president who makes sure he's safe and rich no matter what disasters fall his country, the co-pilot and I are taking two of the 4 working parachutes. We will let you fight over the others. One of you will die horribly, but it won't be us so we don't care. Thank you for flying Air Assad."
Immediately the ISIS general jumped up, pulled out a gun and grabbed the pack off the young engineers back. "I am a member of the Grand Islamic Republic. I am the most beloved of Allah's children. He won't let me die, so I claim this parachute. It is Allah's will that I take this. If you disagree I will kill you as a heretic." With that he put on the pack and jumped out of the airplane.
The old Imam turned to the young engineer and said, "My friend. I have lived a long full life, and look forward to meeting Allah. Take the last parachute and...."
The engineer laughed. "Don't worry about the parachutes. The most beloved of Allah just jumped out of the airplane wearing my backpack."
OK. We could use some better examples.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
How are you going to make sure they know you are making fun of them?
Posted by theamazeeaz (Member # 6970) on :
I know that joke with Hillary, Donald Trump and a boy scout with a backpack.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
Sci--If you have to explain the joke, twice, because they are too dumb to understand it--they are a Jihadist.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
A jihadist has been having trouble in the bedroom. His wife finally insists he go to the doctor. The doctor tells him that he has to stop masturbating. "But why?", asks the jihadist. "So I can examine you", replies the doctor.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
An Al-Qaeda recruit is sent on a mission. They need a TV to watch their favorite show--Gilligan's Island.
This terrorist walks into an appliance store and yells, "I wish to buy this television!". The salesman yells back, "We do not do business with Al-Qaeda scum. Leave at once."
The Al-Qaeda agent is scared and leaves. He must buy that television. His captain says, "you look to much like a terrorist. Go in disguise." The next day the terrorist shaves his beard, puts on a 3 piece suit and well polished shoes and returns to the store.
"I am here to buy this television" he proclaims.
The salesman gathers the manager and they both throw him out yelling, "We do not do business with terrorists."
Returning in defeat, the Al-Qaeda captain volunteers to help. "You must look less like a terrorist. Dress like a woman." The captain then hands him a burka, dress, various bits of lingerie, and bright red shoes with 3 inch heels. What the captain was doing with all of that we leave to your imagination. He did enjoy teaching the terrorist how to dress, walk, and look like a woman.
The Al-Qaeda agent returns to the store dressed as a woman. "I'd like to buy this TV" he says in a falsetto voice.
This time the salesman, manager and store owner picked up a few nearby tools to beat him with. Before they beat him into submission the terrorist asks, "But how did you know I was Al-Qaeda."
The store owner smiled. "That TV you've been wanting to buy for the last 3 days? Its a Microwave oven."
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
How many jihadists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Who needs a lightbulb when you live huddled in a cave?
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
80,000 jihadists meet in a cave for a "Jihadists Are Not Ignorant" Convention.
The leader says, "We are all here today to prove to the world it's not true that only ignorant and stupid people become jihadists. Can I have a volunteer?"
A jihadist works his way through the crowd and steps up to the leader.
The leader asks him, "What is 15 plus 15?"
After 15 or 20 seconds he says, "Eighteen!"
Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then 80,000 jihadists start cheering, "Give him another chance! Give him another chance!"
The leader says, "Well since we've gone to the trouble of getting 80,000 of you in one place and we are live broadcasting on the internet here uh, I guess we can give him another chance."
So he asks, "What is 5 plus 5?"
After nearly 30 seconds he eventually says, "Ninety?"
The leader is quite perplexed, looks down and just lets out a dejected sigh -- everyone is disheartened - the jihadist starts crying and the 80,000 jihadists begin to yell and wave their hands shouting, "GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE! GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE!"
The leader, unsure whether or not he is doing more harm than damage, eventually says, "Ok! Ok! Just one more chance -- What is 2 plus 2?"
The man closes his eyes, and after a whole minute eventually says, "Four?"
Throughout the cave pandemonium breaks out as all 80,000 jihadists jump to their feet, wave their arms, stomp their feet and scream... "Give him another chance! Give him another chance!"
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
I don't want to do the whole dirty joke, but the punch line is, "and the Jihadist captain smiles and says $20, same as in town."
Posted by PanaceaSanans (Member # 13395) on :
"Don't die a virgin. Terrorists are up there waiting for you."
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I don't think that one works PS.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
If you die a virgin, don't worry, you and 72 of your buddies can always do a jihadist in the butt in heaven.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
quote:Originally posted by Darth_Mauve: Yet me must do this as surgically as a drone strike.
"But I don't know any jokes about weddings ..."
Posted by PanaceaSanans (Member # 13395) on :
quote:Originally posted by Stone_Wolf_: I don't think that one works PS.
Does too. It's just more subtle. Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
Why did BocaHaram kidnap all those girls? To give the goats a night off. It didn't work.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
*cringe* I don't like this thread.
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
I also find this cringeworthy. What I trust Jon Stewart to do well, I don't trust random joke telling guy to handle.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Honest question - are you guys not liking the thread because the jokes are crappy, or some other reason?
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
My problem is not that the jokes are crappy. Which they are. As well as most of them being rip offs of jokes about Oklahoma State grads. My problem is that attempting to solve problems that arise from massive misunderstandings between cultures by appealing to an adolescent sense of humor is at best counterproductive and at worst massively counterproductive. "Evil is the new cool" is an oversimplification and I would posit that jihadists' biggest recruiting tools are in fact choking poverty and the never ending river of anti- Muslim xenophobia that is the American media. Do you really think ridicule is going to diminish either of those things?
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Very well put.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
I also find it cringeworthy, both for the reason Elcheeko states and because it basically just seems like an excuse to recycle all the offensive jokes you can't use anymore because it's no longer acceptable to make Irish/Italian/Black/Asian/Blonde/Whatever jokes in public. So hey, everyone's against jihadists, right? So we can still insult THEM.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Jihadists are ****ing deplorable. Are you suggesting that it's not okay to make fun of/mock/look down on them?
I don't know. I would say that it's a good thing that these jokes are being recycled to people that deserve them.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Put another way, they're varelse. Do what needs to be done.
It obviously complicates things that they're hiding out among people are AREN'T sociopathic animals, but that doesn't change that the jihadists themselves are unforgivable.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
I think the critics here are taking this thread a bit too seriously. I could be mistaken, but I interpreted the OP's justification for this thread as being written with his tongue somewhat planted in his cheek. I don't think anyone expects this to diminish ISIS' recruiting propaganda.
Also, I absolutely recycled my joke and didn't expect anyone to think otherwise.
Posted by kmbboots (Member # 8576) on :
Mine was absolutely recycled. It is the only joke I ever tell. I usually just use a generic name instead of "jihadist".
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
I also want to take exception to the idea that this is all just a "misunderstanding between cultures."
The hell with that. These people will put gays to death, they will besiege different religious sects on mountaintops, they will enforce female circumcision, they will say that democracy is anathema because it gives the possibility that their specific religious laws won't be the laws of the land. They enslave women as sexual slaves.
This is not a *misunderstanding.* Their views can not coexist with our culture. The people who truly and irrevocably believe this can not coexist with us, and we would be lesser people if we *allowed* them to coexist with us. They are truly varelse.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I stand by my decision to participate.
We should dishoner this act of cowardice.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
If I am convinced that someone is literally a deadly enemy who must be destroyed to preserve the lives of those I love, I will not mock him before destroying him. If I believe he can be destroyed through mockery, I do not believe he is literally a deadly enemy.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Says the man who mistrusts all cops...you have some strange beliefs there Tom
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
That's fair enough, Tom. I respect that, and I respect your disagreement on the subject of mockery being a useful tool. Living in the UK and being in/around Muslim communities, I'm not sure that the point that jihadists are in some point made around the points of honor and martyrdom don't hold merit, but that's anecdotal, so I guess it doesn't really count.
I'm curious if you agree with ElJay that this is just a "cultural misunderstanding. "
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
You keep putting words in quotes that I never said, and have nothing to do with what I did say. You do seem to enjoy arguing points that no one's making, though, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
You know what? On reviewing the posts, you're correct. I mixed up what you were saying and what Elcheeko75 was saying.
I apologize.
Perhaps next time you can try to correct me instead of making broad swathe attacks on my character.
PS - Elcheeko75, that was a bizarre argument to make. Consider anything I said to ElJay to have been said to you, instead.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
quote:Originally posted by ElJay: I also find it cringeworthy, both for the reason Elcheeko states and because it basically just seems like an excuse to recycle all the offensive jokes you can't use anymore because it's no longer acceptable to make Irish/Italian/Black/Asian/Blonde/Whatever jokes in public. So hey, everyone's against jihadists, right? So we can still insult THEM.
In direct response to this, however, I am curious as to the point that you are trying to make.
Are the jokes themselves despicable enough that they should be retired forever due to their past?
Are the jihadists themselves not deserving of mockery and shaming? These people, with all of the evil that they have wilfully and gleefully down, who are looking to do more?
Is it a third option? Please, enlighten me.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
a jihadist walks into this thread
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
quote:Originally posted by Heisenberg: Perhaps next time you can try to correct me instead of making broad swathe attacks on my character.
Yeah, so, I'm not just talking about in this thread. You were doing it in the election thread here, you were doing it on sake. You are reacting to things no one in the thread is saying. I meant it when I said "points no one is making," Elcheekp75 didn't say what you were arguing against, either.
So I have absolutely no interest in discussing my viewpoints with you, specifically, because you seem incapable of responding to what the people you're talking to are saying instead of either what you've heard on other discussion boards or some made up conversation in your mind.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
"My problem is that attempting to solve problems that arise from massive misunderstandings between cultures"
Yeah, he totally NEVER said that. If you want to be forever hostile to me, ElJay, that's cool with me. I laid out the olive branch, both here and elsewhere, and if you want to piss on it because you think I'm a natural born asshole, I'll be damned if I care. Go **** yourself. I'll be who I be.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
"Problems that arise from."
'just a "cultural misunderstanding. "'
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
*explosion*
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Look on the list above of what they do.
I genuinely give zero shits about why they do what they do, it's enough that they do it.
Problems that arise from a cultural misunderstanding, a cultural misunderstanding, who gives a shit? They're forcibly cutting the clitoreses of of girls in their territory and selling "heathens" that they've caught in their territories into sexual slavery. As in, "You're this man's possession now, he can **** you as and when he pleases, give your self up to his dick, praise Allah."
There is no *misunderstanding* there. They believe what they believe, we believe what we believe, and they? They are varelse.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
The way I look at it, spending energy to identify which people aren't worthy of being considered human enough to be treated like humans misses the point -- which is that the way we treat our enemies says far less about our enemies than it does us.
If we are willing to torture someone because we consider him -- rightly or wrongly -- a terrible threat and a creature undeserving of decency, all that really means is that we're the sort of person willing to torture someone. Any time you need to preface a defense of your actions with "well, this person I'm doing it to is a really terrible person," you should probably stop and rethink.
Note that I'm not suggesting that mockery is a fair equivalent to torture. Everyone who knows me knows that I love mockery. It is both an effective and relatively harmless rhetorical tool and, when done well, a thing of beauty in itself. But it seems to me that when you say "it's okay for me to tell these insulting jokes about jihadis because they deserve to be insulted," you're actually making a much broader statement about your own character than perhaps intended.
[ September 15, 2016, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
"this is all just a "misunderstanding between cultures."
"Attempting to solve problems that arise from massive misunderstandings between cultures by appealing to an adolescent sense of humor..."
One of these things I actually wrote. One of them you wrote and then chose to find bizarre and infuriating and worthy of a three post rant. Do you honestly not see the distinction between those two statements? At no point did I imply any of the following:
Jihadists are anything but deplorable. Jihadists are deserving of sympathy. That we should somehow find a way to coexist with jihadists.
It's called a straw man.
I'm not going to bother responding to your specific points because they have almost nothing to do with what I said. If you would care to discuss what was actually said in my post or in the posts I was responding to, I'll be happy to participate.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
I don't care to respond, thanks. There is no excuse. If you care to go forth on how your mystical cultural misunderstanding either A) Excuses their crimes or B) Villainizes making jokes about shitheads, then, go ahead.
My problem is that attempting to solve problems that arise from massive misunderstandings between cultures Otherwise, by all, means, go ahead. You'll, only be making a sympathizer of monsters out of yourself.
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
And to honestly answer your question, no.
I don't see the difference.
I couldn't give less of a shit why the monsters do why they do. I care that they do it, and I care that their God is telling them to do it.
There is no misunderstanding. They got it wrong. They ****ed up. Both they and their belief system are MONSTROUS and if it wasn't for the fact that they were dialed into their beliefs enough that they would literally *blow themselves up in order to kill the unbelievers*, I might be more open to opening a dialogue.
Guess what? They're not open. It's Sharia law or **** all of us.
They are religious fanatics. I don't care what "misunderstanding" there was. They're raping women every day. There are some of them blowing them selves up every day. Honest to god, **** them, and be thankful when they group up away from the civilians so we can kill them more then one at a time.
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
The difference is that in your imaginary version of what I said, I was somehow justifying all those horrifying things you like to be mad about, when in actuality my whole point was that ridicule of the type that this thread really quickly devolved to makes it easier for jihadists to recruit young people and brainwash them until they're willing to do all these horrifying things that you like to be mad about.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 9735) on :
I would personally submit that the kind of person would commit terrorist acts over the lame jokes here would probably have done it sooner or later.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
*Popcorn eating emoticon*
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
Here is what I am trying to do.
Recycle offensive jokes that have a history of hate and prejudice--yes. I want to take them away from jokes about peoples faith, ethnicity, skin color, hair color, sexual orientation, and apparently, college preference, and turn them against people who deserve it, not because of cultural differences--these are not about Muslims or Brown People--but because of decisions that are a direct violent threat against every other culture. Take a Blonde joke targeting people based on the color of the hair they were born with, and turn them against people who choose to murder children.
Save lives--because anyone who joins a Jihadist group is going to die soon. Whether its in the field of battle, or in prison, or as part of a guided munition sent out to murder others. If these jokes take hold and become a meme, a narrative, a warning that only losers join ISIS,etc. then maybe a few less people will join up. Maybe just one less.
This will not stop the Jihadist, but it is as much as I can do to battle them. So joke up and spread the jokes, spread the narrative, spread the idea not that Jihadists are monsters. Spread the idea that Jihadists are the most pathetic of losers.
These are not jokes against a culture or its people. These are jokes against a wrong decision and the heretical, self-indulgent, anti-Islamic, stupid people who continue to make that decision.
This is a direct attack on the recruitment efforts of organizations willing to sacrifice the lives of those they fool into joining, and the lives of innocents, children, elderly, and defenseless, just to make a point that they are scary.
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
I got that from your OP, and as I said in my second post in the thread, I seriously doubt the effectiveness of this ridicule to do the things you say you want it to do (attack and diminish the recruiting efforts of terrorists) and not exacerbate the issue. That's cool. We disagree. My other problem with the thread, and the thing that made me immediately uncomfortable was that, in short order, the jokes went from ripoffs of lame jokes about Aggies, to hitting on some of the same trite generalizations that bigots are right now more than happy to apply to all Muslims. I get your intentions and I acknowledge that you specified that this should be done with surgical precision. I just don't think its possible. I also don't believe that turning scorn towards the monsters is as much as I or anyone can do to battle terrorists.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
How would you battle terrorists?
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
I'd start by doing whatever I can to counter the perception that everyone in the west hates or mistrusts Muslims.
Posted by GaalDornick (Member # 8880) on :
quote: ripoffs of lame jokes about Aggies
Jokes? Plural?
I'd surmise that the jokes you've heard about Aggies were recycled from the same place these were.
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
ElCheek, that is a great plan, and it works well with the Jihadist jokes. We don't hate or mistrust Muslims. We just think Jihadism is for losers. I make the heroes of the jokes regular Muslims, the kind who only want to live their lives, follow their faith, and who respect others, and I make the butt of the jokes the Jihadist who deserve the ridicule.
Posted by Elcheeko75 (Member # 13292) on :
Okay. Good luck.
Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
There are times that I think maybe ridicule/scorn is the right response...like when there's an effort to intimidate people into not saying/publishing anything that is offensive to a given sect or whatever. I don't think it behooves us to act like terrorism is a successful way to control speech or prevent blasphemy.
But I'm not sure that this is one of those times. My question on the first page was sincere: is this actually an effort to reach and influence jihadists? Here, in this corner?
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
No, Scifibum, this is not an effort to reach and influence jihadists. If someone wishes to kill themselves for a cause they believe in, and to murder others in an effort to promote that cause, telling them a knock-knock joke isn't going to stop them.
This is an effort to reach and influence those the Jihadists are trying to recruit.
Right now, lonely teens sit in front of their computers an think, "this is all that is my life? I want something nobler, bigger, grander."
Right now the very persuasive Jihadist recruiters whisper back, "Join us. We are that something nobler, bigger, grander."
I want to change that narrative. Before that teen can respond with curiosity and a desperate desire to believe the recruiter, I want them to think, "yeah, right. Everyone knows that jihadis are ignoble, small minded, and pathetic."
I'd love a TV show with a Muslim family in a Muslim community where they show their humanity, and the pathetic jihadis that would prey on them, and the pathetic reactionaries in Western culture who would fail to defeat them. And I would demand it be funny, because Jihadi's only succeed by being so very serious.
Posted by PanaceaSanans (Member # 13395) on :
I did post here before this discussion started, and the topic did not make me cringe. In fact, I thought it was a neat idea. But I also think it is awesome that there are people here who are so righteous they won't ridicule anybody - not even the most terrible of humans. That mindset is truly impressive to me. I was raised in a town where gossip and ridicule were essential parts of daily social life, and while my family more often than not was being talked about, there was no shortage of derogatory talking within our own house either. It took me until my late teens to develop a dislike of this. I have been saying for a while now that if I could change anything about my upbringing, I would raise myself to be more kind. Some of you make good paragons, and I would be glad to see myself become more like you.
But that is a personal, idealistic preference. I still don't think the idea of this thread is bad per se. Satire is a powerful tool when applied with a long lever. Which is why I liked "Lamb" (by Christopher Moore) so much when I first read it: it upholds the core concepts of altruistic love and Christian charity while making fun of the whole nonsensical penumbra of religious law. And if Moore's goal was to allow people to fall in love with the teachings of Jesus without requiring them to be religious and attend church service, then he certainly succeeded in me.
If satire aimed precisely at terrorists prevents even one young human from joining them, I'm all for it. And I can imagine it happening! If I can stumble into this place, why shouldn't a person from that part of the world?
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: If I am convinced that someone is literally a deadly enemy who must be destroyed to preserve the lives of those I love, I will not mock him before destroying him. If I believe he can be destroyed through mockery, I do not believe he is literally a deadly enemy.
I want to swing back around to this.
You speak as if this is a very specific, one to one type of situation. Unfortunately, it's not. While what you say can be correct for one given person (or maybe incorrect) the fact remains that jihadism is a culture. It has adherents and it actively attempts to draw others into it. You cannot object to a given course of action because it may or not may not agree and work on one single person. Us (mostly) White Americans can sit back and not feel the reality of what happened/is happening in Iraq and Syria, but it did happen. It is happening. People are being killed, women are being enslaved and raped.
Jihadists have a culture, and they spend their time slapping each other's back for a job well done. They HAVE to. They are still human and they have to do SOMETHING to help cover up the voice of their conscience. The idea of mocking the whole practice is a worthwhile one, if only because it might stop teenagers from joining them. And the ones who commit suicide/ruin their lIves by running away to Syria from the the UK to be fighters? They are absolutely, always teenagers.
Teenagers are dumb. It's a prerequisite. But if you want to convince them of certain things, you need to speak their language. In that case, using mockery is a very good thing.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
Boy this thread sure blew up heh heh hYuk heh lol lol
Posted by Darth_Mauve (Member # 4709) on :
ISIS, where men are men and the goats are nervous.
BOCCA HORAM, where men are men, and occasionally women, depending on the moods of the leaders.
Posted by dkw (Member # 3264) on :
Because being used for men's sexual gratification is what it means to be a woman.
Ha ha, what a funny joke.
Posted by ElJay (Member # 6358) on :
Other hilarious parts: homophobia, rape.
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
I saw a documentary about how the 72 virgins is a mistranslation, as the original was not in Arabic, but in...oh...can't remember...but basically what was originally meant was "be welcomed into the garden"
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
What's the difference between an American woman and a woman living in Islamic State?
American women get stoned before committing adultery.
What's the difference between a jihadist and a vampire?
At some point, the vampire's thirst for the blood of innocents will be quenched.
What do you call a woman who states an opinion out loud and lives in Islamic State?
Whatever you want, she's probably not going to care, they killed her last week.
What do you call a jihadist that owns a camel AND a goat?
A bisexual.
What's the difference between jihadism and Dannon yogurt?
The yogurt has a living culture.
What's the hardest thing for a jihadist killing his own daughter?
The erection.
How did the Jihadi adulteress cross the road?
She was dragged by her feet, kicking and screaming, then she was stoned to death by a baying lynch-mob of brainwashed psychopaths.
[ September 20, 2016, 01:35 AM: Message edited by: Heisenberg ]
Posted by JanitorBlade (Member # 12343) on :
Yeah, I'm going to need to draw the line at joking about rape and bestiality being like bisexuality, but more particularly violent rape.
I get it's designed to ridicule an evil belief system but it's been in very poor taste, and it's increasingly so. I don't really like where this thread is going.
[ September 20, 2016, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: JanitorBlade ]
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Lol. No, man. The joke is about calling jihadists animal ****ers. It's not denigrating bisexualism. It's saying that jihadis like to have sex with animals, and portraying two domestic animals as different sexes.
And where are you getting the violent rape thing from? The erection joke? They're called honor killings. I know they don't really happen in the US, but they're prevalent in more then one Muslim country, and we get the odd few in Europe as well. The parents have to kill the daughter because she's "dishonored" the family by doing things like not wanting to marry the person they tell her to (often a relative or much older person), dating, or not covering up enough. The joke there is in the wording. The insult is in saying that anyone who would perform an honor killing on his own daughter is such a sick **** that he probably gets off on it.
You can edit all you want. I sure won't be. This thread is gold and the idea behind it is great. These people don't deserve to be treated as deserving of the respect normally given human beings.
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 124) on :
Heisenberg, it's a little sad that you're spending so much time defending your right to be hateful.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: Boy this thread sure blew up heh heh hYuk heh lol lol
I committed the noblest sacrifice for Allah and my brothers in this high quality thread
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
here's a real jihadist joke for you
Q. Why did the Jihadist cross the road?
A. احذر عدوك مرة وصوكديقلك ألوكف مرة فإن انوكقلبل الصلديق فهو أعوكللم بالوكمضرةلك
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
I never get why people respond to posts of a few paragraphs with the "wasted so much time" schtick. Honestly - we're all intelligent people - a few paragraphs isn't going to take anyone more then 2-5 minutes.
As for the hateful thing, well, sure, I hate them. Ain't no shame in my game, there. I think they're vile and deserving of hatred. I understand if others choose the the Buddhist/Christian philosophy of not hating your enemies, but I don't, and I honestly don't see the issue.
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
thread disappears, resurfaces two years later in guantanamo bay with suspended habeas corpus. is repeatedly waterboarded and otherwise tortured. heh heh lol
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
at least if 'i am posting in this high quality thread' gets old somehow i can always freshen things up by swapping it out with 'this thread is gold and the idea behind it is great'
Posted by Heisenberg (Member # 13004) on :
Okay, Sam. We get it. You don't like the thread.
Why, though? You and a few others have stated that you don't like it, it makes you uneasy, etc. But why?
My guess is that it feels too close to true Islamophobia to be comfortable. But this thread isn't about mocking people due to their religion. As I said to Blayne, I think that people conflating dislike of jihadism and dislike of Islam says more about the objector then the disliker.
I think the same as Muslims as I do any other religion. FFS, I bought my Muslim coworkers Eid cards out of my own pocket on behalf of my company after my company didn't do so (and they are assiduous about making sure that everyone gets a Christmas card.)
I am honest to god not Islamophobic, but I know evil when I see it, and I don't feel shy about speaking against it and/or mocking it.
Some posters around here don't have an open mind. I would like to think that I do. You are fully capable of taking the time to make more then two sentence drive by posts, and I'm hoping that you do so now.
What is it that I'm missing?
Posted by Samprimary (Member # 8561) on :
while i also don't give a shit about the hurt feels of jihadists and am generally a-ok with them getting blown to shreds off in whatever miserable part of the world they've decided to make more miserable in pursuit of advancing their ****ed up copper-age dungpile of an islamic fundamentalist ethos, the thread is a bad idea and wasn't going to go anywhere good and it's important to have a sense of why.
one of the reasons why is that ~jihadist jokes~ are always going to end up bleeding profoundly outward into the realm of jokes about people of middle eastern ethnicities. always. i can guarantee you. no matter what caveats people try to put in front of the exercise. part of this comes from that the majority of people hereabouts interested for whatever reason on making 'jihadist jokes' are total lisas and actually just hate brown middle easterners straight up whether they want to admit it or not. part of this comes from that the pervasive cultural lampoonings directed from a western audience to jihadists are just repackaged jokes about arabs with the thinnest veneer of that it's about a specific type of arab. the entire premise behind the Let's Get Together And Tell Some Riveting Jokes About Jihadists thread is already in a land in which every well and chalice is poisoned.
understanding that first and foremost is the first step into being all like 'well, yeah, okay, i mean i could keep defending this thread but boy howdy are there better hills to die on than this'
Posted by Stone_Wolf_ (Member # 8299) on :
Wow...you got a detailed samp post... Posted by scifibum (Member # 7625) on :
Since there's zero chance of preventing anyone from radicalizing through this activity, and a pretty good chance (and already a track record) that jihadist jokes will be offensive to good people and accidentally evince hatred of other groups, we could all safely decline to participate without worry that we're letting the world down by not coming up with more jihadist jokes.
We could instead try any of the following more constructive activities: 1) Make friends with loners 2) Write "jihadists SUCK" on notepaper, compost it 3) Be on the alert for jihadist GoFundMe campaigns to avoid supporting 4) Ask congressperson to help make sure we don't funnel guns into places where jihadists might get them 5) Donate a few dollars to an organization that is trying to address radicalization in a serious way 6) Make a list of things that would make a potential jihadist hate our society and want to kill it. Immediately don't do those things, unless they are beneficial in some way, then feel free to do them and benefit!
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