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Lyrhawn
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51st state? Has the vote for Puerto Rico come in?
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Called it. From Fox News,

"No clear mandate!"

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lol
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Puerto Rico's vote is complicated this year. It's not a simple YES/NO on statehood. There are two parts to the question.

And, even if they chose statehood in that vote, it would still have to face political hurdles in the United States Senate and House of Representatives. I seem to recall reading that Alaska voted for statehood almost a decade before they were officially admitted.

Personally, I'd love to see Puerto Rico join, if they elect to. I think it's unlikely, though.

EDIT: If anyone knows any sources on this vote, I'm interested.

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They have to vote YES/NO on keeping the status the same, and then they have three choices if the NO votes win.

Right now it's 49/49 on the YES/NO. And 50% on statehood.

But I have no idea what congress will do if it passes.

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OH GOD AN OPENLY GAY SENATOR
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Did you have Al Frank before?
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Al Frank isn't gay. He just plays one on TV.
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Fox called OH for Obama. He's now above 99% on Intrade. OVER.
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NBC calls it for obama too

surprising nobody who follows Nate Silver

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election over

gg

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Where's Ron?
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Yes, Destineer--FNC just called the election for Obama. That is a real shame. The Obama campaign is not conceding yet, they say, until more of the Ohio vote is in. But it looks like it would be very hard for Romney to pull out a miracle victory.

I am disappointed that so many voters are so shallow-minded and gullible. Obama was never qualified to be president in the first place, and people with real intelligence did recognize that fact from the beginning. Those who voted for him, especially this time around, will bear responsibility for the harm he is going to do in to our country in a second term with his incompentence, amateurishness, and terribly wrong, exteme ideas. I regret that those of us who are more sensible will have to suffer along with the foolish majority. They have brought real evil down on our heads. American will change forever for ill in its basic character.

Those who have been calling for the elimination of the Electoral College might consider that it looks like Romney may still win the majority of the popular vote.

Some of the commentators on FNC observed that Superstorm Sandy may have been the deciding factor, because the momentum towards Romney seemed to halt when the nation saw President Obama touring the disaster-hit area in New Jersey with Chris Christie. That gave the false appearance that Obama might be able to work with Republicans (when he has been nothing but divisive and totally partisan before now). Again, too many people make their judgment based upon superficial appearances, and do not seriously consider the in-depth real issues.

At least with a victory, Obama will be less tempted to stir up his more fanatical followers to violence. But his camapaign of lies and slander have created a large amount of hatred among his followers against conservatives and Republicans. This will undoubtably find expression in the coming months.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
At least with a victory, Obama will be less tempted to stir up his more fanatical followers to violence.

[Confused]
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Running total of successful Ron predictions: 0.
Running total of Ron predictions: 32.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
Yes, Destineer--FNC just called the election for Obama. That is a real shame. The Obama campaign is not conceding yet, they say, until more of the Ohio vote is in. But it looks like it would be very hard for Romney to pull out a miracle victory.

I am disappointed that so many voters are so shallow-minded and gullible. Obama was never qualified to be president in the first place, and people with real intelligence did recognize that fact from the beginning. Those who voted for him, especially this time around, will bear responsibility for the harm he is going to do in to our country in a second term with his incompentence, amateurishness, and terribly wrong, exteme ideas. I regret that those of us who are more sensible will have to suffer along with the foolish majority. They have brought real evil down on our heads. American will change forever for ill in its basic character.

Those who have been calling for the elimination of the Electoral College might consider that it looks like Romney may still win the majority of the popular vote.

Some of the commentators on FNC observed that Superstorm Sandy may have been the deciding factor, because the momentum towards Romney seemed to halt when the nation saw President Obama touring the disaster-hit area in New Jersey with Chris Christie. That gave the false appearance that Obama might be able to work with Republicans (when he has been nothing but divisive and totally partisan before now). Again, too many people make their judgment based upon superficial appearances, and do not seriously consider the in-depth real issues.

At least with a victory, Obama will be less tempted to stir up his more fanatical followers to violence. But his camapaign of lies and slander have created a large amount of hatred among his followers against conservatives and Republicans. This will undoubtably find expression in the coming months.

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quote:
The Obama campaign is not conceding yet, they say, until more of the Ohio vote is in.
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(YAWN)

I am getting tired of extremist thinking.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
Here is my prediction for the presidential election: Romney will win 56% of the popular vote, and over 300 electoral votes. He will win Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan.

This should be added to Samprimary's list.
It's faster than 1844
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quote:
Originally posted by Marlozhan:
quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
At least with a victory, Obama will be less tempted to stir up his more fanatical followers to violence.

[Confused]
He's probably still a little tempted, though.
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quote:
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The Obama campaign is not conceding yet, they say, until more of the Ohio vote is in.
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That must have just been a typo.
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legal marijuana in CO, medical marijuana in MA, gay marriage, gay marriage, gay marriage, gay marriage, and maybe gay marriage, Duckworth wins, Akin the worthless troglodyte goblin kicked out, 'gift from god' rapebaby senator man follows him, Warren wins, obama wins, Florida is terrible, nate silver is right, i'm going out for margaritas, goodnight
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One prediction I made unquestionably stands up (though I still maintain that most of my other predictions will yet come true): Democracy as we practice it in America works best when voter turnout is light, and only the people who are really informed and really care turn out to vote; when there is a large turnout, the decision made by the electorate is almost always wrong.
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Oh, right, that was a Freudian slip. I meant to say that the Romney campaign was not conceding yet, until more of the vote from Ohio is in.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
Democracy as we practice it in America works best when voter turnout is light,

Newsflash: you're wrong about this too

You're basically saying "democracy only works when it works for me when only pretty much a bunch of paleolithic fundamentalists vote and the young people all stay home HMF"

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No Sam, Democracy only works when it is mainly the wise who vote, and fools stay home.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
One prediction I made unquestionably stands up (though I still maintain that most of my other predictions will yet come true): Democracy as we practice it in America works best when voter turnout is light, and only the people who are really informed and really care turn out to vote; when there is a large turnout, the decision made by the electorate is almost always wrong.

Elitist much?

God help us if the new standard for reliable elections is making sure only the few and the smart vote.

"All you stupid people just stay home so the rest of us can get on with ruling you." Sign me up for this.

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No Sam, Democracy only works when it is mainly the wise who vote, and fools stay home.
I would wager heavily that level of education directly correlates with how likely you are to have voted Obama.

So I'd actually agree with you, but perhaps not in the way you were hoping.

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Nate Silver 50/50!? Looks like he polled it off! Every state correct this time on the presidential vote (if Florida and Virginia both remain blue).

How'd he do on Senate?

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Since this was brought up earlier, some might be interested to know that all six ballot proposals in Michigan were defeated. That includes all of the attempts to add things to the state constitution. Apparently the majority of voters felt that it was unnecessary and improper to try to add things to the constitution as amendments, which would have made them harder to change later. "Hands off our constitution," was a slogan used in many ads. So I guess Detroit will get a second bridge to Canada. We'll see if it doesn't cost us anything.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lambert:
No Sam, Democracy only works when it is mainly the wise who vote, and fools stay home.

That is not democracy by any definition of the word.
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The shallow minded and gullible Ron proves how shallow minded and gullible he is by making terrible predictions.

Immediately after being proven shallow minded and gullible with his completely wrong impossible prediction... By hammering about how shallow minded and gullible voters who are not him are and democracy is obviously better off if you plebes stayed home and left democracy to the righteous and informed, like Ron.

Who was so informed, in fact, that he never gets his predictions right, because they are all delusional.

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I thought Romney's concession speech was nice.
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I liked it too. He seems happier.
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A small bubble to burst to the rest of the nation, but a rather volatile for my county. Joe Arpiao has defended his position as sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona. I really thought we had a chance this year.
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Yeah, well. Arizona. South of the west. Can't be helped (yet)
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Also Michelle bachmann may lose.

Please.

Please.

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quote:
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The shallow minded and gullible Ron proves how shallow minded and gullible he is by making terrible predictions.

Dude, have you read the TOS lately?
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Multipost
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Ganesh is false. I have sex. The literal reading of the terms of service means literally nothing. Threaten me with it again. Ron Lambert is deluded.
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Boy, when I start threatening you, you'll know. [Cool]
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I am soooo glad I decided to read the last page of this thread...very entertaining!
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quote:
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I liked it too. He seems happier.

Yeah, but that's got to be a veneer. There's a certain sadness at sacrificing years of work in pursuit of a goal...

(I'm not saying it was all wasted.)

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quote:
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Nate Silver 50/50!? Looks like he polled it off! Every state correct this time on the presidential vote (if Florida and Virginia both remain blue).

How'd he do on Senate?

Remains to be seen. Thus far he's been perfect, but Montana, North Dakota and Nevada are all still up for grabs, though with 2% of the vote left, it looks like the Dem in North Dakota is going to pull off a shocking upset victory. We'll see.
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In regard to the Michigan ballot proposals, I was premature when I said all six were voted down. Proposals 2-6, which were attempts to amend the state constitution, all were defeated. But the first one, which affirms the governor's authority to appoint an emergency manager for a city that is unable to meet its financial obligations, who can invalidate previous contracts with unions to gain control of expenses, was approved. This is an affirmation of a law that was passed a couple of years ago.
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quote:
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In regard to the Michigan ballot proposals, I was premature when I said all six were voted down. Proposals 2-6, which were attempts to amend the state constitution, all were defeated. But the first one, which affirms the governor's authority to appoint an emergency manager for a city that is unable to meet its financial obligations, who can invalidate previous contracts with unions to gain control of expenses, was approved. This is an affirmation of a law that was passed a couple of years ago.

Not yet it hasn't.

The Free Press has 80% of precincts reporting and Prop 1 is 52-48 No/Yes.

I hope that trend stays. It's an ill-defined, terrible law.

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Those who have been calling for the elimination of the Electoral College might consider that it looks like Romney may still win the majority of the popular vote.
Does this count as a new prediction? At the moment President Obama is about 1 1/2 million votes ahead.
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Fun Fact: Florida still hasn't been called, and Obama still has more electoral votes than G. W. Bush got in either of his elections. So that means Obama has a mandate, right?
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Nope. McConnell has already released a statement saying that regardless of how many votes he gets, he didn't run a campaign of ideas, so people weren't voting for an agenda.

No mandate.

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Dear Mr. & Mr. Koch.

You can not buy our Government.

Thanks for spending your money on the effort. It sure helped the economy somehow.

Cynically yours.

Ms. Liberty

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