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I am a long time fan of Ender. After reading the Shadows of the Giant, I have thought of something.
As of now, Bean and his children are not dead. The first thing I thought of, is how to bring Bean and his children back into the picture of things. I thought of the past, when Ender started his "Speaking for the dead" and ended up with the "Tree lovers". Naturally I thought of a tree to be like Bean. Long living and huge to be in history and loved.
With the "alien" species being known as Father tress when they died, and the great Mothers.
Then it came to me that with Bean's condition, if he were to end up on a new colony, couldn't the environment change his condition and transform it into something else? I mean, even in that book it talked about how their was a certain type of change in the structure of nature there that had allowed for these "creatures" to be transformed into the trees when they had died. Bean is the ultimate "Father" which would bring forth the greatest Father tree ever. As his body formed the tree, as trees sprout out their seeds and pollen, then the code for Beans condition would have changed the environment even more, and thus bringing out the new species of life for them.
With the establishment of the "Mother" tree, would have been Bean's greatest love and most missed memory, which he would have planted that seed in his DNA, and thus forming out of his seeds from his first tree.
Bean's great knowledge would account for the fast learning of the new species, and the key would have been greatly turned for the begining of a new life.
Just thought that I would share my love for Ender's world, and bring forth my thoughts on Bean and the "Bean's Seed" theory.
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Interesting? So you saying the Bean was the Decolada or was the entity that created it. There was the Alien civilization of gene manipulators that OSC never explained. What if they are Bean and his childrens' decendents?
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Now thats an interesting idea... if the species they find at the end of CoM is beans desendants... They would develop spaceships if they had bean's supeiorior brain.
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What I was also thinking of, is how to bring forth this a little more, and the fact that they would "gut" the individual, and put their insides into the ground.
Bean didn't want his "condition" to exist anywhere else, or anyone to grab ahold of it. So, he has his children take him to an area away from humans on this world, and dispose of him. The children take a chunk out of a tree to form a knife. The cut him open and put his heart and all into the ground. Then put the formed knife into the hole before covering it up. Bean's "virus" would be absorbed into the wood knife, through his blood. Which in return would sprout out a huge tree. Bean's knowledge and memories would still be found in the after life, and the new life of the tree in which his blood has formed.
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Do you think Bean or his descedents developed time travel? If not, there's a hole in that the descolada showed up on Lusitania many millenia before Bean was born.
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Just finished Shadow of the Giant last night and i thought my idea was original with him and his children being the alien species that created the descolada. MrSquicky shows a good point, but with the descolada altering soemones DNA perhaps Bean and his children might find a way to communicate with them and they might create a virus that will change their DNA, "curing" them. Also with Randi, the "mother" of Beans 9th child going to a colony perhaps they could all coincidentally meet up on the colony ship that she's on. However dealing with her in another book might make my head explode. People who have views on things like that that are completely skewed annoy me so much, you have no idea. When Randi first started talking about Achilies and how wonderful and all the lies she believed, i had to put the book down and walk away for a little.
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For my money, I'll be disappointed if the story treats Bean's children as a single entity. Maybe they don't all want to be cured.
edit: And I'll throw it out here, I think that Ender in Exile, if it takes the form of Ender going incognito to some planent that has been suggested, would be more interesting if, instead of running into a jessh member, Ender meets one of the Ender rejects. That is, one of the kids who was being groomed for the top spot but broke apart under the pressure.
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Well, maybe the descolada wasn't in its "complete" form, until Bean arrived there and helped transform it into the virus that was discovered. Sure it has been around for a long time, before Bean was alive, but anyone that would have studied it, could have found the parts of the DNA what were the oldest in the structure, and expermented with that. Like the scientist that "descovered" it. They take apart the DNA of the virus, find that some of it is older than the other parts, and seperate them into study.
They decide to study the oldest part of the DNA, as that would give you a great deal of information in which how it all had started. But maybe the descolada wasn't what it was when they found it, before Bean was there, and his condition brought it to be what the scientist had found. Anything can happen in science.
Besides, the "virus" that was found in Bean, where exactly did it come from? Could the Buggers brought it with them on the first invasion, and then Bean's "Dad" had found parts of it, and tried to use it? Have the Buggers ever been to the world of the "Tree Lovers"?
There are many questions on how this all could actually take place, but there are also many solutions on how to write about it, and make all the pieces of the puzzles, and the books come together, and be combined again.
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Klawin: I'm trying to figure out your theory, forgive if I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that Bean essentially becomes a piggie like Fathertree? The point that makes this most difficult is that the descolada would kill Bean just like it did any other human because Bean is human accept for Anton's Key being turned which isn't a virus persay just a genetic difference, like a difference in hair color only much much more significant.
As far as Ender in Exile goes, I feel like this could be a huge series of stops for Ender but I definitly want to know what happens to Randi and the so-called 'Achilles II'. Maybe the best thing to do would be for Ender to wind up at a colony where a jeesh member is the leader and Randi wound up there also, so Ender would get secret cooperation from the 'government' to fight Achilles II. Although MrSquicky I also really like your idea of an Ender reject, that could be a whole nother amazing story.
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Well just thinking, the books talked about how Bean had a condition, or virus, that was useless, until Anton's Key was turned. Maybe Anton's Key that was in Bean was what set off the Descolada to be what it was with the piggie's.
I know it somewhat seems far fetched, but it could happen. With Bean in the colony ship, he would get there long before they would actually discover the Descolada. He wouldn't want attention to be brought to him, so he would go off to another part of the world, away from the other people in the colony.
Besides, a virus has genetics to them. They live and can be killed, so yes, I can see how it can all be tied together. Just have to figure out the proper wording on it, and I am not a doctor to help try to decide that part, but I will work on that theory some more.
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Well if you think about it before the descolada came the piggies were basically just pigs, after the descoloda came they became smart. Maybe in Antons key was turned and to avoid the overgrowth and inevitable death from giantism the species that made the DNA has them turn into a tree.
As far as getting secret cooperation from the government to "fight" Achilles II maybe he could come acrossed him when he see's Jane and Jane helps him stop the new Achilles..
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The pequeninos were sentient before the descolada. That was the point of...Planters death. I think it was planter. Rooter was the one Pipo planted and Human was the one Ender planted. It's been way too long since I read those.
But I could see Bean twining himself with the trees. I mean, if silly old Jane can do it, why couldn't Bean? I don't know if I'm joking or not.
But, yeah, the idea that Bean's descendants are the descoladores is a couple years old. They flew as far as they could just to keep flying, rather than looking for a colony world, so I don't think it is improbable that they have been there for a couple of thousand years.
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Just because they were not looking for a colony world, doesn't mean that they never ended up touching down on one. They could have been with the first settlement of this new colony.
As far as we know from SotG, Bean and Randi's stories are still left wide open and untold. So much can happen to get Bean to that colony before the big E arrives. E wasn't even in that colony when Bean left earth, so by the time that E would have gotten there, Bean could have landed. With the time difference between the colony and E's travel to it, Bean and his children would have long past, setting forth the Descolada's and creating the huge Forests.
As for the amount of time that past during that, was it the piggies that explained how long they have been there? (I can't remember this part, but will look it up) If so, then their short life span of the virus, would seem like they have lived forever versus understanding how humans count a year. Kinda like "Dog" years.
As far as them being pigs from the start, and then transforming, couldn't there have been something there, or the Colony of Ma. could have present livestock, food, and plants to the colony worlds, so when the humans got there everything was ready and supported to the environment of the new colony?
There are so many ways that it could be possible. I just thought that it all made sense and a great way to bring E and Bean back together again. Just one last ride together.
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*****SPOILERS***** Klawin: I'm pretty sure that Anton's Key wasn't something already in Bean that isn't already in every human being. I believe, and correct me if I'm mistaken, that Anton's Key is simply the small genetic difference that would keep a body from growing out of it's childhood growth phase. There was a time when Volescu was trying to design a virus that would carry something that would make people have children with Anton's Key turned but he couldn't find a way to do it.
My personal theory about how COTM and SOTG would intersect would be that once 'Outside' is discovered Jane realizes that this would be a way for Bean to be 'cured'. He could essentially wish himself a new body, kind of like Miro. When the ship slows down it is learned that Bean died in transit (which OSC has said will happen, that Bean will die in the first chapter or beginning). Then Bean's kids find there way to Lusitania and meet up with Peter-Ender, Miro, and Val-Jane. Bean and his kids would be perfectly suited for learning to interpret the Descoladores' language because their brains are better equipped to learn languages because they learn like a child (just remember how good Bean was at language i.e. "Is Russian a hard language to learn?"-Bean "Is that what passes for you as humor?"-Graff). Thus the Beanettes, as they've been called by some, would be the key to communicating with the Descaladores. And maybe one of the kids would go with Peter to help fix the Starways Congress. That's my theory anyway.
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Great idea, but it still leaves Randi's and Achilles II's story wide open. Whether it be a seperate book or their paths intertwine her story has to be told. I don't think OSC would make sure we all understood her skewed views on Achilles and everyone else if he wasn't planning for that to have an affect on anyone.
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