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Does anyone else think Zdorab from the Homecoming series is as cool as I think he is? I mean, hes got to be my favorite character from that series.
My World of Warcraft character's name is Zdorab. When I play Halo online my character's name is Zdorab. I fling it in whenever I need to put in a username for something, and I almost signed up on this forum as Zdorab and then I realized that that might be a bit weird, seeing as most of you would know who he is.
The most amusing thing thats happened to me online in World of Warcraft is when I ran into an enemy character named Elemak...
Anyway, did Zdorab stick out to you as much as he did to me reading the Homecoming Series?
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I liked him alot, though of course, I wondered how realistic he really was. There seemed to be some conflicting data given about him, and I don't think his character was all that well developed. Still... I loved everything ABOUT the homecomming series, and I would like to believe that something like him is possible, even if it isn't.
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There are a lot of gay men who marry for various reasons. Some hope it would cure them, and those are probably most of the ones who later come out and try to get the message out that they shouldn't do it. I agree that no one should do that for those reasons. But apparently there are gay men whose drive to be a father is stronger than the desire to be gay. You hear about them less often, though someone not long ago was posting about a case where a man came out in that way and was excommunicated for it, and there was a big debate about it.
I think for most men entering into marriage is a commitment to suppress their natural sexual inclinations (to be with multiple women, if not men) in favor of establishing a unit of civilization. I mean, Elemak was disappointed to learn he'd be stuck with the same wife his whole life. He ultimately didn't hold to the law. Is Nefai not believable because he didn't step out on his wife?
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Ok, I suppose that's probably true. Forgive me for being a little bitter... my very first SERIOUS crush turned out to be gay. I've always thought it terribly tragic that he'll never have kids. Of all the genes that need to reproduce in the world, his are some of the best, and they won't. Instead I hear my little brother come home from high school every week (or so it seems) telling me another girl is pregnant. Some of these are girls I taught and tried very VERY hard to get to be CAREFUL about things like that... it's just depressing.
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I wouldn't say a gay man could never have biological children. He could always use his sperm for artificial insemination in a surrogate mother.
Also, I was wondering what point you were trying to make about so many girls getting pregnant in highschool. That it's not fair that they get to have babies, or what?
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quote: The most amusing thing thats happened to me online in World of Warcraft is when I ran into an enemy character named Elemak...
Hehe... I was playing Guild Wars a while ago (and it is totally better than WoW), and I ran into a person named "I Am Jane". Wondering if it was an Ender's Game reference I sent her a whisper asking where Ender was, and if she had hacked into the game's sever yet. She replied by asking what drugs I was on and then set me to ignore. I should have asked her if she likes canoeing...
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quote:Elemak was disappointed to learn he'd be stuck with the same wife his whole life. He ultimately didn't hold to the law. Is Nefai not believable because he didn't step out on his wife?
I like Zdorab for this same reason. He is able to rise above what he feels like doing, what he wants to do, for what he knows will bring happiness to himself long-term and is better for his community, even if no one else knows the depth of his struggle.
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"I am Jane" was probably a firefly fan. Just guessing. "We gotta go to the crappy planet where I'm a hero."
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Edit: I don't know if this is assumed or not but, just in case...
***SPOILERS FOR HOMECOMING SERIES***
Zdorab is also one of my favorite characters from that series. I like him because he seems to be stronger emotionally than the rest of his peers. Especially when he temporarily sides with Elemak to set the wake up call. That was something that he knew would be dangerous and would probably hurt him in the immediate future, but would set the stage for an easier time for his children in the future.
The only small thing that kinda got under my skin about Zdorab was when he was thinking about how attractive the male children were and how happy he was that he was getting older so he didn't have any unsavory feelings towards them. Okay, maybe it's true, and maybe that is a feeling that anyone would have as they grew older in a sexually repressed environment, but you never heard any of the other adult males thinking about how hot the daughters were, and how happy they were that they were getting older so they wouldn't try to seduce them. I just thought it was odd, and it irked me a bit, as if because he's gay, he's naturally a pervert, but because he's such a strong person, he can repress his inner creep. I figure that's not the case at all, but that was how it felt to me.
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quote:The only small thing that kinda got under my skin about Zdorab was when he was thinking about how attractive the male children were and how happy he was that he was getting older so he didn't have any unsavory feelings towards them
I don't remember the section; I assume it was teenage children he was refering to? In which case we see plenty of males who chase any female they see, although they don't change. And plenty of males who have eyes for none but their wives, and by and large they don't change. So maybe it isn't a gay/straight thing, but a person who overcomes his weakness versus all the other males either don't really have it or don't see it as a weakness, if that makes sense.
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It does make sense, if the other male characters are oblivious to the thought. It was character building for Zdorab and didn't detract from the story at all. It just stuck out to me that it was mentioned at all.
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I wasn't saying high school girls shouldn't be allowed to have babies EVER, but I'm very much for the fact that they shouldn't have babies in high school! My point however, was that it was depressing that a responsible, intelligent man was not reproducing, while irresponsible girls were maiting with whatever baboon (usually not intelligent or reponsible) happened to be nearby and made them feel appreciated for five minutes. It is merely a sad testament to our society. High School girls are too young to have their futures so brutally disfigured by motherhood. Either they will be good mothers, and the attempts to take care of the child while still managing to make a decent life for themselves will cause them far greater stress and grief than any child should have to bare, or they will not be good mothers, and then produce another generation of children with problems from the onset. The biggest shame of this is that almost invariably (at least around here), the fathers of these children are... well, I'm not even sure there is a noun or adjective to describe the hopelessly wretched men, who are often a good bit older than the girls and who sometimes have multiple children born within months of eachother.
My point was merely that Zdorab was an amazingly good father, and something I longed to see more of in society. However, his fatherhood was brought to be by extremely strange situations, which suspended believablity to some extent.
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I agree about highschool girls having children. But it makes me weep when I read phrases like "have their futures so brutally disfigured by motherhood." Motherhood is such a gift, these girls aren't even ready for it. I just hate to see people talk about "motherhood" brutally disfiguring someone. That's such a twisted sense of what motherhood should be.
The girls deserve more, and the babies deserve more. They deserve to go into motherhood when they're old enough to handle it, when they're ready for the blessing.
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Well, I happen to be a teenage mother, and I'd have to say that both of you are extremely wrong.
First of all, having a baby at sixteen has in no way "brutally disfigured" my life. My son has given me nothing but joy. In short, he's made me a better person. He's given me purpose.
Teenage motherhood is not always a tragedy. It's not always some unfortunate mistake. It doesn't always turn into the cookie cutter shape society has made for us. I've finished highschool, I'm going to college, I'm marrying the father of my son. My dreams are still the same.
Fact is, people are capable of being good parents regardless their age. It's also true that people can be bad parents regardless their age. There is no age requirement.
No, being a young parent is not for everyone. I don't promote it.I know it's hard to take care of a baby when you're young. But I also know that it is possible for a girl to have a baby at sixteen and still have a good, happy life, because I've done it.
And I know my fiance and I can give my son the life he deserves.We can give him a loving family and a good home, just like any one else. And you know,if I were given the chance to go back and change things, I wouldn't. I don't regret one moment.
Anyway, DDDaysh, I just didn't think it was fair to imply that it's some sort of waste that high school girls get to have babies when your friend didn't. There are plenty of woman out there over teenage years who don't take care of their children, who don't love them, and don't care for them.
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quote: The most amusing thing thats happened to me online in World of Warcraft is when I ran into an enemy character named Elemak...
Hehe... I was playing Guild Wars a while ago (and it is totally better than WoW), and I ran into a person named "I Am Jane". Wondering if it was an Ender's Game reference I sent her a whisper asking where Ender was, and if she had hacked into the game's sever yet. She replied by asking what drugs I was on and then set me to ignore. I should have asked her if she likes canoeing...
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I'm on Guild Wars too, all of my characters are named after people from George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, i get whispers every so often from othe rpeople who have read the series, it's a great way to meet people who like the books too 
