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Strider
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(WARNING - This contains much satire. If you don't like it or are offended, sue me. Also its quite long. And this is all specifically about the movie, NOT the book. Ok, I warned you.)

Greedy, Totalitarianst, Drug Abusing, Clinically Insane Madman. Who are these words describing you ask? An evil dictator? A terrorist? Someone bent on taking over the world? No, these words of course describe Willy Wonka. Confused? Let me explain.

We have all been duped into believing that Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is a harmless children’s movie with a quirky and likeable chocolate maker in search of a good soul to take over his beloved chocolate factory. We’ll we’ve all had the wool pulled over our eyes and it’s about time someone talked about it. And Wonka isn’t the only tainted character here. As you’ll see this movie is riddled with atrocities.

The movie starts out relatively innocent enough. We’re introduced to this wonderful little boy Charlie and his family and some other children about town. Then suddenly the town begins to go crazy. What is it? Willy Wonka put 5 golden tickets in 5 chocolate bars around the world and the finders of these will be taken into his factory and given a life time supply of chocolate. You have to buy candy bars to win. Ummm, can you say “marketing ploy”? Everyone in the world starts going nuts and buying Wonka bars. Kids, adults, they’re buying them by the truckload. In a matter of weeks every store in the world is practically sold out. This Wonka is one shrewd businessman. His little ploy couldn’t have worked any better. This contest has made him immensely rich!

In the mean time we’re introduced to all these horribly spoiled little children who have each found one of the tickets. Poor Charlie still doesn’t have one. So his mother decides to sing a song, “Cheer up Charlie”. What’s this song about you ask? Well basically Charlie should just wait it out and eventually his lucky day will come. Yeah right, get real! Is this what we want our children growing up believing. That if you’re a good person eventually you’ll just get lucky and things will go your way. Not likely. Sure that’d be nice and all, but that’s just not the way things work. Maybe that’s why six of them are stuck in one tiny little shack together. Waiting for their luck to kick in.

So finally little Charlie finds himself a golden ticket and asks his Grandpa Joe to come with him. Now mind you this is a man who hasn’t moved from his bed in over 20 years! And has not helped support his family at all because of this disability of his. Well looky here! Suddenly Grandpa Joe is up and walking, and singing and dancing! He pretends to be disabled until he gets taken on a free ride and then suddenly has a miraculous recovery. Well we’re not buying it Grandpa Joe. And listen to the song he sings, “Cause I’ve got a golden ticket.” Oh, I see, so now it’s YOUR golden ticket. This man is a fraud! And just using Charlie to get ahead.

Finally we get to meet Mr. Wonka who in a spectacular little performance fakes an injury and suddenly summersaults out of it in front of an astonished crowd. What does this first glimpse of Wonka tell us? Get used to the man lying! He will lie for effect whenever he feels it is necessary. And yet the people still don’t see it. Fools I tell you. Fools!

We are brought into the factory and what is the first thing Wonka has everyone do? Sign a waver. Not only this, but he doesn’t give them a chance to read it, skips over points as he goes over it, and makes the writing so small that it’s illegible even if someone does try to read it. And for God sakes, they’re children! Have you no heart? Shady practices, let me tell you. Shady practices.

Now we begin our journey through the chocolate factory. The first thing this sick twisted man does is disorient all his guests. How? Well the rooms change around, you have to go forward to go backwards, small doors open up to big doors, and the whole time Wonka is speaking in random literature quotes. What were we saying about this man being nuts? Then we are taken into his prize room. A fairyland of sorts, where everything is magical, and colorful, and edible. Clearly this room has been designed by someone who has had a few too many acid trips in his time(and is still on one for all we know).

Oh but it gets better. Now are insane tour guide decides to burst into song. What does he sing about? Some sort of crazy song about living in “pure imagination” in a “world of his creation”. That “life can’t compare with pure imagination”. Basically he’s created this drug-induced paradise for himself and letting everyone know that everything would be easier if we just forgot about responsibilities and life and just do drugs all day and live in our own little fantasy land. Great message for the kids there buddy! Do you do childrens parties?

Next we meet the Oompa Loompas(Blacks) taken from Loompaland(Africa) a land of desolate wastes and fierce beasts. Willy Wonka(the white man) takes them out of their homeland and brings them overseas to work in his factory(slavery). Isn’t it obvious? Has no one seen this? So it’s the lesser of two evils. They’re aren’t being eaten by ferocious animals, but they still don’t have their freedom. They’re never even allowed outside the factory. Why? So they never know what’s really going on out in the real world, and never know that they are slave labor. Wonka doesn’t let anyone in so no one will see his horrible wage practices. The man is a slave runner, but in his warped little mind he’s a benevolent savior from another land.

Now in each of the next rooms we visit Wonka has conveniently set a trap for these helpless children. Clearly dissatisfied with society he takes it upon himself to cleanse it. Sure the kids are spoiled, but they aren’t evil. He maliciously sets up these tempting little traps to snare the children in. Of course they’ll fall for them. They’re children. They’re curious. What is this, the Garden of Eden? This isn’t a sacred tree. He plays God and the Devil all at once. Why would you let all these kids in your chocolate factory if you won’t let them touch anything? Why? Because he is trying to stifle free thought! It’s Wonka’s way or the highway! He slowly eliminates all the children who might pose a threat to his crazy ways.

But lets not forget some other important things along the way. The boat ride through the tunnel. What can I say about this, that isn’t covered in his cute little poem?

There’s no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There’s no knowing where we’re rowing
Or which way the river’s flowing
Is it raining
Is it snowing
Is a hurricane a-blowing

Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes! The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

He then goes on to scream and laugh hysterically. The man has lost it. I don’t know what he took but I’d like some. And remember, the whole time he’s reciting they are careening much too quickly through a dark tunnel while gruesome and scary images are being displayed all around them. If you don’t think Wonka is on something You’re on something.

Oh and just for good measure, remember what Wonka says in the invention room? “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker” I knew it! He’s a drunk too.

And also somewhere in this big mess our innocent hero makes a mistake. Our fraud of a grandfather tempts him into drinking the fizzy lifting drink. What was he thinking? Grandpa Joe is to Charlie what Eve was to Adam.

So finally the tour ends and Charlie and Grandpa Joe are kicked out for breaking the rules. But Charlie passes Wonka’s “test” and gives back the everlasting gobstopper. What does Wonka do? He gives Charlie the factory. Why not give it a faithful and devoted friend and long time employee(the fake slugworth)? Why not give it to an Oompa Loompa who’s been sweating away for years? Why a kid who doesn’t know the first thing about running a factory? Because he is easily manipulated. “A grown up would want everything done his way. Not mine.” Greedy bastard! And not just any child, “an honest loving child”. One he could control, keep things running his way, keep the slave labor around, and keep getting profits out of it. Someone he can get at early enough and enslave in his ways. Charlie is perfect. He’ll become Wonka’s robot while Wonka lounges out in the tropics somewhere sipping a margarita. Poor Charlie never had a chance against this crazy drugged out slave runner. Think twice before letting your children watch this movie!

If you've made it through all this hopefully you are wiser for it.


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luthe
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Grandpa Joe was made out of Charlie's rib?
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Strider
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You read fast
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That movie has always, always disturbed me.
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I always thought this was a NAMBLA recruiting film.
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You know, I kind of got the creeps watching Willie Wonka hug Charlie. It was very close to a "naughty touch."

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.oompa loompa dupi-dee dah...*sigh*..I loved the movie actually..
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Strider
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Actually the movie was a favorite of mine when i was younger.

I saw it the other day and couldn't help but write this.


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Willy Wonka is deliciously strange (just like all movies he stars in - Young Frankenstein, Dr. Strangelove, Silver Streak, Blazing Saddles, The Frisco Kid, Alice in Wonderland, Start the Revolution Without Me, etc.).
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ludosti, you forgot to mention his very disturbing scene as the Sheep Pervert in Woody Allen's Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid to Ask.


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I only named movies of his that I've seen.
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And all this time I thought that movie was about ambiguously murdering children (being based off of a book about not ambiguously murdering children).
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I only saw the movie once, as a small child, and was so frightened and mortified at the death of the children that I have never seen it again.

So, was the film INTENDED to be a social commentary of sorts, a children's show, or just a crazy drugged up show?

And what is the intended audience of the book from which it was taken?


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Actually, they don't die in the book...
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The indended audience of the book is children, unless I am mistaken. It is by R. Dalh (sp?), who also wrote Matilda, The BFG.
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I don't know what you are all refering to with the strangeness of the movie. Why, me and the other altar boys would watch it over at Father O'Boy's house every saturday night, just before.....


Never mind.


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Did you write that? Mind if I send it to others? That seriously made me laugh. Grandpa Joe greedy? Lol... thats great.
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Maethoriell
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Roald Dahl..I think that's how you spell it..
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"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams."

I've have some serious questions about the movie like the ones you discussed. I think the movie is fabulous.

The children don't die in the book or the movie. I have it on DVD and the commentary are the kids, grown up, watching the movie and recalling what it was like to film it. It's hilarious!


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I was really mad that the Oompa Loompas didn't sing the songs the way they were written in the book, I was all set to learn the tunes so I could sing them too and all I got was "oompa loompa doopidy doo"!
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Yeah T_Smith, I wrote it. You can send it around.

But if you make any profits I want some!


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I can give you *mumblemumlbe* percent of all profits.
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Oh Poppy Cock!

I sing this all the time!

quote:
OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DOO
I'VE GOT A PERFECT PUZZLE FOR YOU
OOMPA LOOMPA, DOOMPADAH DEE
IF YOU ARE WISE YOU'LL LISTEN ME
WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU GUZZLE DOWN SWEETS
EATING AS MUCH AS AN ELEPHANT EATS
WHAT ARE YOU AT GETTING TERRIBLY FAT
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL COME OF THAT
I DON'T LIKE THE LOOK OF IT
OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DAH
IF YOU'RE NOT GREEDY YOU WILL GO FAR
YOU WILL LIVE IN HAPPINESS TOO
LIKE THE OOMPA LOOMPA DOOMPADEE DO
DOOMPADEE DOO


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[wines]But it's not the same[/wining]
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*chuckle*

Much of the novels Roald Dahl wrote were for children, but they heavily drew off of his short story work (mainly earlier), which was very much not for children. Gruesome is the best way to describe most of these stories, and pretty much all of them are too much for young children. His children's books share similar themes, only masked behind some sleight of pen and euphemisms.

Dahl has a wonderfully sick and twisted mind, he brought new dimensions to modern writing, especially children's genres.


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*shudders* that was a scary movie! I had nightmares about it! waaaaaah!


PS Puff the Magic Dragon is about drugs


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quote:
Invention, my dear friends, is 93% perspiration, 6% electricity, 4% evaporation, and 2% butterscotch ripple.

The loon can't even ADD correctly!!! No wonder our children suck at math!!!


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the snozberries taste like snozberries

[This message has been edited by sylvrdragon (edited November 22, 2002).]


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Dahl's best work is 'Danny, Champion of the World.'

I love that book.


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Nighthawk

Yes, that should be >>1<< per cent evaporation!


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Strider
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Toretha, I think you've been puffing that magic dragon a little too much!
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I saw that movie again not too long ago...I had forgotten about (or blocked out?) the dreaded tunnel scene...
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And you thought it was over! I've got more startling news about the evil Wonka.

I can't believe I didn't see it earlier. The whole contest was rigged from the beginning! Or do you not find it odd that out of only five tickets distributed world wide four of the children that find them meet very ironic ends in the chocolate factory. If I didn't know any better I'd say these were traps deliberatly set up to ensnare these helpless children by our resident mad man. And how did he know which traps to set up you may ask? Well, he practically handed them the golden tickets.

Or did you not notice the fake slugworth who just happens to be in the right place at the right time as soon as a child finds a ticket. These children were MEANT to find the tickets. The other four children were MEANT to perish, and poor Charlie, as I've stated before, had no chance.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

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quote:
The other four children were MEANT to parish
Is this going back to NAMBLA?

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<sorry - bad joke>
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HAHAHAHAHA that is some funny stuff
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“Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker”

This is actually a poem by Ogden Nash.

That said, you are right. I always thought that if anyone showed me a hoarde of orange midgets with green hair that he had "liberated" from "Loompaland" to work in his factory, I'd glock his ass faster than he could say, "Oompa Loompa Doopity Doo."

Honestly, I'm suprised none of the "contestants" didn't notice they were in an acid trip gone bad, and that the others were being knocked off one by one! Who the hell puts a giant metal rotating blade with no guard above an unlabeled flying potion?


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Strider
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Paul, I actually found out that all the little ryhmes and poems he recites in the movie were taken from published work. I don't know all the names, but I remember reading it on a website or seeing it on the dvd or something.
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Did you guys see the Onion article about the UN going after Wonka next?

UN orders Wonka Inspections

I thought sure I saw it here, but it dovetails nicely with this thread regardless.


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Yeah, I posted that a while back, then someone else posted it. It is definately appropriate for this thread. It's what I thought of immediately! That Wonka is crazy.
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I believe you meant that the children would pErish - not that you were going to send them to a pArish . . .

tsk, tsk . . .

WIlly Wonka was gruesomely, awesomely, horribly fantastic . . . disturbing, thought provoking . . . yes, yes . . .

and such an icon of childhood when I was young - it was a big thing, the once a year showing . . . ahhhhh!!!!!


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Yeah, the line "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" comes from a poem by Arthur O'Shaughnessy. Here is the poem. It's actually really nice... being a musician who is performing a show this year called "Dreams," I have to like it. It's all too appropriate.
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Happy 4000th, Strider. [Big Grin]

[ August 20, 2003, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]

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Shhhh... [Wink]
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Oh, great Strider. Now you got Tammy singing the Oompa Loompa song!

Congrats on 4K! [Big Grin]

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