I have a friend who has a semi serious girlfriend that his mom wants him to marry, but he also has another girlfriend and he apparently has brought at least one other girl to his apartment (he lived in a relative's basement at the time). So how does this rate on the playa scale? Is this normal or "worse"? Or would other playas call this "better"?
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play'-a: A scumbag who screws around and expects to be applauded for doing so; one step down from a pimp, the women-dependent, gun-toting, drug-using parasite that all playas aspire to become
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quote:I have a friend who has a semi serious girlfriend that his mom wants him to marry, but he also has another girlfriend and he apparently has brought at least one other girl to his apartment (he lived in a relative's basement at the time). So how does this rate on the playa scale? Is this normal or "worse"? Or would other playas call this "better"?
Nothing in this situation would make me call him a "player", though it would depend a lot on how many, if any, other girls he had brought home, what he had done with them, and what kind of relationship he was in with his girlfriend. "Semi serious" girlfriend may well mean that they're not exclusive. And "his mom wants him to marry her" doesn't make me assume anything on his part.
But, if he's led the girlfriend or the other girl to believe that the relationship is exclusive, or if there are a heck of a lot of girls spending the night at his place, he'd definitely qualify for some sort of ugly name. And, from what it sounds like, his family qualifies for the "nosey gossip" title. How exactly is it their business? Posts: 2220 | Registered: Jun 1999
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Incidentally, playa is also the name for one of a series of often dry lakes on the Llano Estacado that serve as just about the only form of drainage control.
The original request didn't make any demands on context, so I just couldn't resist... Besides, that definition of playa is considerably more historic, and less attached to fads.
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To show off my mad spanish skills, I was actually all set on answering beach too when this thread first came out.
Whew. Good thing Pooka's second post came out when it did or I would have like, totally made such a fool of myself.
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quote: a male who dates more than one person at a time, usually just for sex or other perks
Other perks? It seems every answer just raises more questions.
Belle, I was a proto-goth, and I don't think it has anything to do with playa. (Edit, oh you meant "Emo". I thought you were just using it as an expletive or something. It probably refers to Emo Phillips, a comic from the 80's, who probably could also be interpreted as some kind of proto-goth. But I didn't delve to deep into the dictionary. That's just based on my experience.)
My first association when I saw "playa" was with some kind of spanish word, then it became clear from the context that it was some kind of get-about cad/masher sort. I still pronounce it closer to "plier" than "player" in my head.
I only gave that example of the guy I know because I was pretty sure the "Nathan" answer was sarcastic. Sorry to spread tales.
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Emo started out as a rather broad music genre..usually about how awful it is that your girlfriend left you and you're so very sad that life is meaningless and the sky is grey and you want to slit your emo wrists and lie in the emo sand under the bright emo stars....anyways.
It's a fashion thing now, as well, though it's being taken over by fashioncore...dyed black hair, usually blue contacts, guys wear tighter pants and fake vintage shirts and whatnot...
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And as for players...there are different definitions, and it really depends on who you talk to. Some people think that players have to have some kind of emotional manipulation...juggling several guys/girls at once, none of whom know about each other. Others see it as just having "game," being really charming, dating/fooling around with more than one guy/girl without a commitment...
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Holy cow pH, that website was freaky! I know a girl that looks JUST LIKE that girl on the demonstration. Black hair, glasses, jacket, shoes, everything! She's a guitar major, that must be why. Posts: 6415 | Registered: Jul 2000
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Emo is short for emotional. It's like goth stuff, except the music is often softer. Emo is more whining over crap that doesn't matter, whereas goth has satanic undertones.
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I'm fairly convinced they wannabe This guy though he got a haircut. He used to have a mop hairdo. I highly recommend the recipe.
I can't believe they used "hearts" as a word for "likes". I guess that is what happened when goth got to New York or something. <--- doesn't think much of New York.
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No, emo's not goth. "Hearts" is the same as the whole <3 thing. Which is big on Livejournal. Which is big for emo kids.
Oh, emo. Why are you so amusing?
I'd also like to say that I own the most emo shirt in the world. It says "I don't believe in love because I still don't have you." And it's pink. Oh, emo.
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So emo phillips and emo types are only coincidentally similar? Or the emo types think they are they most original generation yet born. That sounds more likely. I was in the punk to goth transition. I only wore combat boots and black lipstick for photo sessions. But I found shaving my head led to unsightly scalp acne.
<3? I guess this will be the next cultural matter on which we need enlightening. Nathan was bestowed with booblets and pixie wings not long after I arrived on Hatrack and I was, like, not going to touch that.
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Playa- A scumbag who screws around and expects to be applauded for doing so; one step down from a pimp, the women-dependent, gun-toting, drug-using parasite that all playas aspire to become
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Caution: Post may slightly derail tread momentarily.
I visited a local cemetary this weekend and we were in the Masonic section when I noticed that some of the tombstones had Hebrew writing on them. As I understand the Masons are Christian? They also all had very Jewish names like Jacob Abraham and Hannah David. But another grave that wasn't a mason but was Jewish had a wine glass with water in it and a silver spoon on top of it. I know that when Jewish family members visit graves they place stones of headstones, but this is unfamiliar to me. Can anyone explain? Thanks.
One interesting story, though, is that about 100 years ago, the U.S. was looking into making Georgetown the offical foreign service school of the U.S. Georgetown is, of course, Jesuit, and the Masons were very scared by the prospect of having all of our Foreign Service members educated by a Jesuit school. They donated $6 million to GW in an attempt to provide a clear alternative to Georgetown, under the condition that if GW ever became religious, we would have to give the money back.
So yeah.....probably doesn't answer your question. But it's pretty interesting nonetheless. Maybe the Masons were Protestant....
You understand incorrectly. They believe many of the same things as Christian faiths, but their mysticism is more along the lines of Old Testament following (and, it's said, a mix of Kabbalist and Roman mysticism).
quote:They also all had very Jewish names like Jacob Abraham and Hannah David.
Do I have to even mention who else uses such names who is hardly Jewish?
Oh, and I just had to comment on this:
quote:Emo is more whining over crap that doesn't matter, whereas goth has satanic undertones.
Heh... both Emo and Goth kids are whiney, but: goth is whiney trying to be aggressive, emo is whiney trying to be sensitive.
Qualifications for Goth:
Favorite color must be black
Amount of metal openly viewable on clothes must make up at least one fifth of total clothed body weight
Metal can be in the form of studs, pins, spikes... extra points for leash chains attached to a studded belt (more points it chain is longer than leg)
Footwear: boots... preferably Doc Martens or whatever Hot Topic special is out—the thicker the sole, the cooler the boot
There must be at least one token 80's band on your favorites list—brownie points if it's an 80's band that has been covered by a band in the last five years (even more if the cover totally sucks)
Must claim to like classical, but favorit "classical" piece should be Carl Orff's "O Fortuna"
Proper response when asked about popular bands you like: "Yeah, I liked them more before they < sold out, stopped 'being real', went 'corporate' >, now that they're 'mainstream' they're not as good as they used to be"
Qualifications for Emo:
Favorite color: black, red, or purple for guys; pink, red, or purple for girls
Metal on clothing a plus: accepted forms—studded belt, multiple unrelated pins (especially with witty "anti-establishment" or "I'm a bad boy/girl" slogans), wallet chain (extra points for every foot over 2 feet)
Must write poetry, and at least half the poetry must be about "lost love" or heartbreak... the more melancholy, the better
Must consider one's self an "artist" of some sort: guitar player most common, drawing "faeierieaes" and hearts with daggers through them surrounding them acceptable as well... barbed wire in drawings a plus
Hair: messy bowl-ish cut for boys, messy bob-ish or pixie-ish cut for girls
Music: all popular artists are frowned upon; the more unknown, the better the artists/bands must be
Must carry a journal. If not, must have an online journal.
Of course, there are degrees of both, and plenty of people wind up falling into both a little bit. Neo-punks pretty much look like emos with longer hair (and more gel/mousse/spray in it), but listen to pop-punk while claiming long-dead punk movement bands as their influence. All three are firmly rooted in the idea of rebellious youth. Not really bad at all.
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if its a girl, shes called a slut if its a guy, hes called a playa
really no difference except that our culture glorifies sex and those who can obtain it in a sexist mentality
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Gosh, things were so much simpler when I was a youth.
Llana Estacado. The Staked Plains. Nowhere near a beach. Sorry. Current map description (west-Texas, Palo Duro canyon bordering on the north, Pecos river to the south. The Comanche tribal branch called the Noconi used the geography of the area to avoid entering the reservation until the late 1800s. Check into Quanah Parker. Fascinating story.
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You know, that's the second time I've seen that reference to Nathan, and it's both inexplicable and simply weird.
Did someone get him mixed up with someone else? Whatever the reason, it's really jarring. It's not a meme I like, and it's not a good one to have when it's inaccurate.
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Shan, that wasn't a disagreement with my definition of a playa, was it? If so, I'll have to correct you on that. Even if it wasn't, it's Llano Estacado. Spanish really is a fascinating language, a shame I don't speak it. Yet.
Llano (yes, sir - that is correct - fingers moving too fast - the geographical placement is accurate according to the map I am looking at though . . . )
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Come on people. Saying Nathan's a playa is funny cause he so obviously isn't.
Not that he couldn't get all the women he wanted.
It's just that being a good guy he only wants them one at a time. And only after their married in the temple. And since no divorce, only the one period.
So yeah. That was bizarre.
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pH, I'm wondering, and don't get mad, it's just a vibe from your definition of them, if you might have some slight sympathy for those who labe themselves players; if so, why?
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For teens, he's just the guy that is surounded by girls just like a pimp but he already has a girl friend (usually). I use it sarcastically and not every guy likes to be called one. Whenever they're usually older or in different situations then sex is involved but not from what I hear.
There is nothing wrong with saying "I heart you!". You often see it so why not say what you see?
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David: Basically, I have a reputation for being something of a "player" myself. Whether or not it's true really depends on your definition of what a player is. I'm not malicious about it, and I've never cheated on anybody, though.
At any rate, I have to behave myself now. *grumblegrumble*
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I think the jokes aren't funny because it would be horrifying for him if they were true. I mean, it's funny to tease Jon Boy about hating grammar, because it's obviously not true, but if it were, that would be okay. But being a player is not something that would EVER be okay. The jokes are not true, but everyone who reads them may not know that. It isn't...respectful at all.
I don't consider myself hip or cool or with it when it comes to youth culture. On the otherhand, I don't find most of it offensive. If people want to go Goth or pierce themselves silly or talk with street lingo they never experienced, I don't mind.
Accept the newest in term coming from the hip-hop scene I do mind.
Pimp.
Pimp'n.
A pimp is a scumbag that turns women into property, selling their sex for money he keeps. They are very low (slightly above child molesters and other rapists) on my list of the worst people in life.
Yet I've seen several songs glorifying "Pimp'n." You can't be one of the top Rap artists unless you call yourself a "Pimp".
Does anyone else find this term dangerously annoying?
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Yes, which is why pH's breezy attitude about it is so sad... if the brightest and most moral among us cannot bring ourselves to point out the destructiveness of language and behavior in our society, then who will?
:goes to reread "The Second Coming" by Yeats:
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One interesting tidbit about Masons- when they first established a lodge in Utah, Mormons could not join and if a Mason became a Mormon they would be excommunicated. But at some point this changed and now the head of the Masons in Utah is Mormon. At least, this is what some I knew 10 years ago said. Edit: TMI I don't like "heart" as a verb because of those "I heart NY" bags. For years (I was in elementary school) I thought they said IONY. I didn't know what it was about, but it was just one more thing that made me not one of those girls who had a Cats shirt. (I lived on the east coast at the time). So you see my lack of cultural information is not an artifact of getting old.
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Wow. I guess I was a proto-goth, too. But it all seems... vaguely embarrassing now.
I've heard people jokingly called a 'playa' if they have a lot of interest from people of the opposite sex, even if they are not sexually active or, you know, cheating on a committed relationship. Though I agree that it sounds too much like praise for an unpraiseworthy act/condition/lifestyle.
If a guy is a slut, I usually call him a slut (at least in my head). I find nothing really interesting about lying, cheating, promiscuous men. I think they're skanky b*tches. I guess I just like to level the "playing field" with equal opportunity epithets.
However, there ARE people who have lots of people of the opposite sex interested in them, or who flirt a lot, who are actually virginal and not committed to any one person to the degree that it would be seen as "cheating."
pH is one of those, I think. And I was, once upon a time. I promised my Grandmother not to get serious 'about the first little boy you meet', and I made sure that guys knew about that promise by constantly wearing the necklace she gave me to remind me of it. There were many fellas in my orbit. I went out a lot. I snagged some smoochies if I wanted. But it was always clear from the beginning that I was not on the committment path just yet. Until Ron. He wouldn't take "But I promised my Grandma" for an answer. LOL
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*hugs for Olivet* Yeah, when I was in high school, my mom went very far out of her way to remind me every time I was interested in a boy that there were many more out there, and that I shouldn't limit myself, and that sort of thing.
So I'm someone who isn't actively looking for a relationship, but I don't want to let that get in the way of me spending time with people I'm interested in/hitting on cute boys/etc. I'm also the one of my group of friends who has the least difficulty approaching guys, striking up conversations, that sort of thing, which kind of contributes to that sort of reputation. That, and the fact that I like to spend time with attractive members of the opposite sex. I have a soft spot for pretty boys. *shrug* I date casually a lot. Or I used to, anyway.
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"playing field" with equal opportunity epithets. 
