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Beren One Hand
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I hope this begins the healing.

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CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday, as Middle East media and officials expressed horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school....

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!" ....

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications....

"If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote....

Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it.

"What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 30 miles north of Cairo.

"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying.

Source: AP News



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That is the biggest load of bullsh*t I've ever heard. Just because an Arab or Muslim says it, doensn't make it true.

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"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote.
While this may be true, he seems to be using a very narrow version of word terrorist. So terrorists=people who blow up busses? Of *course* you'd think all terrorists were Mulsims then, as you're talking about one geographical location.

What about people who blow up abortion clinics? What about people who burn crosses in white robes? What about people who drag a man from a truck until he dies just because he's black? What about Tim McVey? What about people who send anthrax-tainted letters to an already terrorist-shocked city? Of course, I'm talking about one geographic location myself...

No society can *ever* claim perfection when it comes to terrorism. It's not the fault of any religion or culture. It comes when people decide that their cause is worth more than their soul. More than their humanity.

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"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying.
damned right.

[ September 04, 2004, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: sarcasticmuppet ]

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There are Catholic terrrorists and I would consider secret operations of Israeli and American etc. intelligence organizations to be terrorists.

This man's words are meant for other muslims, not for us. He is right that the shooting and kidnapping of children is wrong. This is like the words of Bill Cosby for the black community. We don't really have a say.

But I guess it all depends on your definition of Terrorism. For me, Terrorism involves the deliberate targeting of civilians in preference over military objectives by operatives that don't officially represent a government.

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He's probably upset with the Chechens because he doesn't want to fire up Russian support for the American WoT.

If Russians get 9-11 angry at the Chechens, they might support anything Americans do to put an end to terror. "Knock over Iran? Russia votes YouBetcha! Heck we'll send troops! As soon as they get back from Groznyy."

The Russian situation more closely resembles Israels.

- The terrorists are in territory they control.
- The world condems them (Israel/Russian) when they strike back.
- The terrorists specifically target children/teens.

What would happen if Russian sympathy for Israel grew to the point they'd support any action Israel takes? With the US and Russia backing them, all France could do was pass another meaningless resolution against Israel (there's been something like 17 with no resolutions against the Palestinians)

All in all, Making Russia mad at terrorists = Bad for Egypt and the terrorists Egyptians (like Arafat) support.

(edit: spelling)

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And if we all would take an unvarnished eye to our own cultures, we might find what he has: that we sow the seeds of our own strife.

When our culture begins to take on the role of thug, it is often not the rest of the world that is to blame, but our own inability to impose what we know is right on our own selves.

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Beren One Hand
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quote:
This man's words are meant for other muslims, not for us.
Good point Pooka.
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A better point is that there isn't one truth for Muslims and another for non-Muslims...if such were the case, then your talking about something other than truth.

We need to recognize terrorists and those that support them as enemies of Islam just as much as Muslims need to recognize this. Until we understand that fighting terrorism is not making war against Islam, but is actually fighting to protect it as well as all honest worship, we do not understand the truth.

Terrorism is the enemy of Islam. To kill terrorists and destroy their ability to carry out crimes which stain the honor of the Prophet is the most important thing that anyone can do in the service of Islam.

Anyone that claims that fighting terrorism is intolerance against Islam is a perpetuator of the idea that Islam is inherently vicious and murderous. Any person that claims that respect for Islam demands that we permit atrocities carried out in the name of Allah is an enemy of Allah and all that truly serve Him.

If you cannot kill, then you do not love.

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You had better tell the UK that they're looking in wrong place for the IRA, they're not in Ireland, they're actually holed up in Afgahnistan!
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A better point is that there isn't one truth for Muslims and another for non-Muslims...if such were the case, then your talking about something other than truth.

As Ender once said, "I speak to everyone in the language they understand. That is not being slick. It is being clear."

The author's message--that terrorism inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies could hope--is definitely true. However, the author also used an deliberately inflammatory hyperbole as its title.

Of course no one in their right mind would believe that "All the World Terrorist are Muslims." But the author was being intentionally inflammatory to get his message across. Given the aggressive rhetoric of the Islamic fundamentalists, sometimes moderate Muslims have to shout just as loud to be heard.

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And it is much better than claiming that the Koran told them to do it, or declaring a "holy war" against elementary schools.

I know not all terrorists are Muslim, but it was nice to hear a Muslim (one from that area of the world) admit the harm that terrorism does to its cause, even when it is "sucessful"....

Kwea

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