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Gotta love the French. They wanna be a world power, to be a MAJOR influence on world opinion. Yet their websites are so chauvinistic that no one who can't read French can hear French opinion about anything. And now they want Google, the world's most popular searchengine, to ignore that France exists, so that even French-speakers can't stumble across French news sites.
Yep, with a little more effort, tourists will be visiting France for their world famous Disneyland rides and MacDonalds hamburgers.
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I can't tell at all from the story (as is typical with reporting on legal issues:(), but it sounds like there may be a pretty good case. Google posting copyrighted works in their entirety is pretty straightforward as a violation.
If the claim is that Google is linking to sites with illegal copies of the photos, the case seems much, much, much weaker. I think such a complaint should be dismissed for failure to state a claim, although it probably wouldn't be.
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Part of the complaint is fear of American culture overwhelming everything.
I'm not sure how much support I lend to that fear, but then I was also sitting on a bunk in Ireland, discussing American country music with two Australians.
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Yes, Google infringes copyright quite blatantly with their news page, however they make sure to keep it from generating revenue (no ads, no charging), which I'm pretty sure is to keep their liability (and likelihood of being sued) down.
Oddly enough, this is one of the areas I don't think copyright needs to be reformed (well, except as to term). I would like it if news organizations were to generally license their content in a way which allowed such practices. A license allowing "sampling" (limited usage of excerpts) with attribution, perhaps only for non-profit or non-commercial use, would be appropriate (or one more expansive, but that's sort of the minimum needed).
Personally, I think it would be beneficial for news organizations to open up much of their content that way. I do not, however, think they should be forced too.
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GoogleNews doesn't post anything. It provides links to news sites, and temporary caches which lead to those news sites.
If they don't want to be included in search results, it's easy to design their websites so that Google can't access their pages. Darn near every by-subscription-only site does it. Darn near every pay site does it. Darn near every site which has customers who want a bit of privacy -- for eg personal photo albums -- does it.
Do you see the images from the news stories and the clippings from the news stories?
Those aren't just links, and they aren't "caches".
And just because there's a technical workaround doesn't make it legally sound.
Actually, I'm not sure why I'm responding to you, your purpose in posting the often obviously wrong things you do is inscrutable to me.
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That being high in google's rankings is a consequence of other people manipulating google's ranking algorithm, google has nothing in particular to do with that site.
(I realize you likely know this, but thought some might not)
edit to clarify further: if you search for "french military victories" and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky" you get that page, it being first on the search results for french military victories.
quote:We must determine if Arri- ba's use of the images merely superseded the object of the originals or instead added a further purpose or different charac- ter.18 We find that Arriba's use of Kelly's images for its thumbnails was transformative.
It could be argued that Google News is superceding one use of the articles on a news site, providing a quick browsing overview of the news, as news articles are structured partly for that.
quote:the thumbnails were much smaller, lower-resolution images that served an entirely different function than Kelly's original images. Kelly's images are artistic works intended to inform and to engage the viewer in an aesthetic experience. His images are used to portray scenes from the American West in an aesthetic manner. Arriba's use of Kelly's images in the thumbnails is unrelated to any aesthetic purpose.
That's even clearer, the purpose of Google News is in large part to provide news, as it the purpose of the various news sites it aggreggates from.
In fact, here's what the decision says:
quote:Likewise, repro- ducing news footage into a different format does not change the ultimate purpose of informing the public about current affairs.
It goes on in that vein, and it appears a primary reason for considering it fair use was the transformative nature of arriba's usage. It is far, far less clear that Google News is transformative (I would argue that it is in many aspects clearly not transformative, in fact). This may be somewhat mitigated by the small size of the excerpts, but that's not clear, as (for instance) many news sites use the small excerpt format themselves to present an overview of their own stories.
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My there is certainly a massive anti-French bias at work here.
I don't understand why all the hatred here is being directed at France and not at AFP. A French news agency doesn't equal France, anymore than Fox News or MSNBC equals America.
If someone from Europe tried to label all Americans by what he saw on Fox News I would be apalled and outraged.
AFP is a subscription only service that is having it's services more or less given away by Google and it wants that to stop. If the same thing was being done by an American newsagency, I highly doubt the response here would be quite as energetic.
As for the "French Military Defeats" thing. Painting France as a loser and everyone else as a winner is blatently wrong. France has lost in the past, yes, but they were an incredibly powerful empire at one time that spanned Europe, and are no less powerful than say, Britain, who once had an empire that spanned the world, that is now down to the home islands. Being anti-French for the sake of bitterness is ridiculous. They don't owe us anything.
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quote:Gotta love the French. They wanna be a world power, to be a MAJOR influence on world opinion. Yet their websites are so chauvinistic that no one who can't read French can hear French opinion about anything. And now they want Google, the world's most popular searchengine, to ignore that France exists, so that even French-speakers can't stumble across French news sites.
Dude - qu'est ce que tu baves?
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You know, this might be the whole "better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone THINK you're an idiot thing," but this is my first time really even discovering google news. I have to say, it's incredibly useful. This is the first site that clumps everything into one group, I mean, right now I'm reading about Rice's warning to the EU over dealing weapons to China, and Germany's deficit problems. Then I can look right over and read the stupid stuff MSN reports on, like vapid hollywood gossip, and self-centered exercise advice.
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Did we ever pay them back for that one statue in New York? If not, that might be why they're so ornery.
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It's stupid. If the other person nods sagely like they understand exactly what I mean, then I know they have no idea what's going on, and maybe later I can hit them up for money.
On then other hand, if they start nodding and then stop and look at me like I'm an idiot, then I can tell them it's a very clever joke and we can all have a good laugh.
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It's not a clever joke -- it's just trying to take advantage of other's insecurities to mock them.
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I HAVE seen that kind of thing work. Well, not the hitting them up for money part. But the part about using the line, or a similar line to see how people react, that works. My brother used to do it all the time, only in latin, at family reunions to family members he didn't like.
My extended family is extremely snobby, they don't like anyone to think they aren't the smartest people in the world.
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I used to know this one girl who was fluent in French, and the look on her face was priceless when I said it really smarmily and then gave my best yuppie laugh (which is a pretty good yuppie laugh).
But I'd still like to say it at a party and see someone nod and say, "Totally. Totally. That's how it is, man. That's how it is."
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The response Marc (my brother) most often got when doing it with latin was someone trying to guess who said whatever it was he said.
Like, let's say he said "devi fili julio caesaro pater patriae" an aunt or cousin would reply with "Ah yes, I believe Emperor Constantine said that after conquering the Visigoths didn't he?" To which Marc would nod then giggle about.
Dear God my family is stupid...
PS - The above latin means "son of the God Julius Caesar father of the nation." And it was part of the title of Augustus Caesar.
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quote:In its suit AFP stated, "Without AFP's authorisation the defendant is continuously and willfully reproducing and publicly displaying AFP's photographs, headlines and story leads on its Google News web pages."
Media reports indicate that AFP is seeking damages of $17.5 million. It also wants to prevent Google from using any of its content in the future. AFP filed the lawsuit in US Federal Court for the District of Columbia.
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I, on the other hand, won't be sharing any of my opinion with anyone who can't speak Polish. Ignoramusesessess.
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