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I guess I'll use this as my novel research thread. The current (05/08/05) question is: What is the Hebrew term for flower, and is it ever used as a womans name? Is there a woman's name that roughly means Flower?
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I've looked into the Sung Dynasty and maybe something from Islamic society. Charlemagne is too early, the Magna Carta too late. Maybe I'll check St. Patrick.
P.S. I'm looking for something that gives a sense of oldness.
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The time machine is stuck on that time period, but she can change where to visit, so she's looking for something signifigant to make the trip worth it.
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Erik the Red discovers Greenland. Excellent. :tents fingers:
It's a paragraph in my novel about how old Knossus is, it goes through a series of historical landmarks that are twice as old as each other. I had been using the Koran, but it didn't quite get me where I wanted to go timewise.
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quote: The time machine is stuck on that time period, but she can change where to visit, so she's looking for something signifigant to make the trip worth it.
And her time machine is equipped with a time-hopping ISP to let her post on Hatrack! I love it! mothertree, you should look into future posts and let me know a) if I pass my comps in the fall and b) how long it takes me to get to my goal weight. Posts: 4077 | Registered: Jun 2003
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Let's see, it says here "42" for the first one and "Looks promising" for the second one.
Oh, and I was way way off with St. Patrick. How embarassing. He's like 4th century C.E.
So do you believe Lief Erikson discovered North America or what? I still pretty much think he did. But if you discover it and your nation lacks an effective bureaucracy of any kind, tough titty toenails.
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Its pretty much well documented that fishermen had been using the costs of america (well, canada) for fishing long before columbus made it there. I doubt any one person we know about could be credited with the discovery.
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Mothertree, I have to say, I think that's probably the first time in history that someone has posted the phrase "tough titty toenails" on Hatrack.
Of course, since you're posting this from over a thousand years ago, you could argue that it was one of the first posts made to the forum *ever*.
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This period is the apex of the Byzantine Empire: Constantine Porphyrogenitus, Nicephorus Phocas, John Tzimisces, and the great Basil II "Bulgaroctonus." It's one of the most fascinating and under-appreciated eras of western history.
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quote: ca. 900 The construction of the House of the Governor and the Nunnery Quadrangle are commissioned by Lord Chak at Uxmal.
• ca. 900 Dedicated by an unidentified ruler on 10.4.0.0.0 (January 15, 909 A.D.), Monument 101 at Toniná is the last monument inscribed with a Long Count date in the entire Maya area. Toniná is located south of Palenque in the hills of central Chiapas.
• ca. 1000 Chichén Itzá rules over most of northern and western Yucatán. The architecture and art shows striking similarities to Tula in the Mexican highlands: colonnades and serpent columns, and relief panels depicting eagles holding human hearts in their talons.
Yup he was, Lief was at 1001 CE and Brendan is around 500 CE http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02758c.htm (the voyage is mostly legend but there is believed to be some fact behind it.)
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Awesome, thanks for the timeline Dan. I gave up finding something that useful on my own, which is why I turned to hatrack.
And look, you have 8000 posts. Not that I'm post count conscious.
On the discovery of North America- yeah, there were obviously people living here all along. I watched that thing about the Chinese maybe discovering it, and it's all about bookkeeping, mans.
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Cairo is built by the Fatimids in the late 900's, and the period from 950 - 1050 is thought of in the Islamic world as the "Shiite Century" as this was the only time where they held a majority of power. Many felt that Shiites might actually start outnumbering Sunnis, but that never happened.
Always a lot of cool stuff happening in the Byzantine Empire around this time. Russia is trying to get over Tartar and Mongol invasions. Don't know much about the Americas in this time period.
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One of the most famous -- if not THE most famous -- Jewish Biblical commentators, RaSHI (Reb Shlomo Yitzchaki, of <g> Worms (well, originally of Troyes, but spent part of his life in Worms)) was born in 1040.
It is said that if one learns Chumash (the Five Books) with only one commentary, it should be Rashi. Children start learning his commentaries in elementary school, and adults reread them and find new depths of meaning. Volumes upon volumes have been written analyzing, discussing, and arguing about his work.
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955 – Otto I, King of East Francia wins battle of Lechfeld against the Magyars, ending the invasion age.
962 – Otto I is made a sacred Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope.
987 – Hugh Capet, a Robertian, gets the throne in France, and his family has it until 14th century, starting the Capetian dynasty.
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In Spain around this time there was an interesting fellow named Al Mansor, a minor noble who worked his way up through the Muslim armies and court, and ended up usurping the caliphate, proving a very effective military leader, and generally became a legendary figure in his own time - "the Avenging Moor," the Christians called him. There's an interesting book about this exact period by James Reston called _The Last Apocalypse_; it covers the turbulent politics and society of the last century before 1000 AD, and is very well written. Its quirkiness and literacy reminded me of _How The Irish Saved Civilization_.
Also, in 1002, Otto the Dreamer, the young Holy Roman Emperor who longed to be a monk led an army against Rome - but stopped at the gates and refused to lay siege to the city that seemed to him to embody the romance of the spiritual life he longed for. He died at age 22, apparentally of grief, still outside the city walls, encamped with his idle army.
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During that time, the Vikings were raiding and settling the eastern coast of England, which weakened the government and military, paving the way for the Norman Conquest a little later.
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There was cool stuff going on in the Cathedral world - the abbey at Vézelay acquired some significant relics of Mary and became a popular pilgrimage destination, and shortly after 1000, the Benedictine abbey was first built on Le Mont St. Michel. The Saint-Etienne cathedral in Caen is an example of the pinnacle of romanesque style and dates from the 11th century.
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I use 'Common Era' and 'Before Common Era' unless I'm discussing Christianity, in which case I use the old ones because it's clearer and doesn't confuse people.
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I use BC and AD just because the whole CE BCE thing seems like a dramatic attempt to be PC, which I find just annoying. The BC AD thing has worked for years, just do it.
Christ wasn't really born on Christmas, but we don't see the need to fix that do we?
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Not at all. I just don't know anyone who actually uses it. Except I once saw it in a Jehovah's Witness pamphlet, with an asterisk explaining what it meant. I thought that a bit odd.
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It's a standard usage in Jewish texts. For some odd reason, we find the assertion made by "The Year of The Lord" (Anno Domini) to be problematic...
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Hey mothertree (or anyone), if you come across any references to the Greeks visiting the Maya ('specially Chichen Itza) and stealing architetural know-how from them, let me know?
I wouldn't ask about soemthing so off-the-wall, except on of the teachers I work with visited Chichen Itza over the March break, and came back blathering about how the Greeks stole from the Maya. And everywhere I look, the times are completely contradictory to this. But I'm curious as to where on earth she got the notion.
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This is from the timeline in the back of GURPS Time Travel--I'm assuming it's accurate, as Steve Jackson usually gets his stuff right, but if anyone knows differently just say so.
960--Tai Tsoo, founder of the Sung dynasty, defeats Tatars
961--The Byzantines reconquer Crete from the Arabs.
961--(Hmm--this is odd. A second person is listed as having founded the Sung dynasty, General Chao Kuang-Yin, at the behest of the military. I guess it's not totally accurate. But at least this is the general time of the Sung founding.)
979--King Edward of England murdered at Corfe Castle, succeeded by Ethelred II, the Unready
979--Northmen in Ireland defeated by Malachi at Tara
980--Danes renew raids on England, attacking Chester, Southampton, and Thanet
991--Battle of Maldon; Byrhthoth of Essex defeated by the Danes
I leave out a few events that have already been mentioned in more detail than listed.
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From the TIME Almanac with Information Please (and infoplease.com):
quote:950–999 Mieczyslaw I becomes first ruler of Poland (960). Eric the Red establishes first Viking colony in Greenland (982). Hugh Capet elected King of France in 987; Capetian dynasty to rule until 1328. Musical notation systematized (c. 990). Vikings and Danes attack Britain (988–999). Otto I crowned Holy Roman Emperor by Pope John XII (962)
quote: I wouldn't ask about soemthing so off-the-wall, except on of the teachers I work with visited Chichen Itza over the March break, and came back blathering about how the Greeks stole from the Maya.
I think I first encountered C.E./B.C.E. my fossil record class. But it could have been before that. I did find it odd that they use it in the Jehovah's Witness literature.
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I guess I'll use this as my novel research thread. The current (05/08/05) question is: What is the Hebrew term for flower, and is it ever used as a womans name? Is there a woman's name that roughly means Flower?
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I think the best word I have been able to come up with so far is Ziv, which means something more like "floral", and also the month of May.
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The Hebrew word for flower is "perach," but I know very few girls named that. There are MANY girls, however, named after different kinds of flowers, like Vered (Rose), or Nurit (don't remember what that is in English), and so on. It's very common.
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Oh, yeah. I just found out this week that the accounting program I use at work, Rakefet, is some kind of flower.
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If you're using Shoshana as a combination of two words - receiving a hyphen - then it's Shoshanat; for instance: "Shoshanat Ha'Nasich" = the "Shoshana" of the prince, or the prince's "Shoshana". That's the same rule as the Arabic Ta-Marbut'a.
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Okay, 'cause in the Peter Decker/Rina Lazarus novels (if anyone reads them? I enjoy them) by Faye Kellerman, they named the baby Chanah Shoshana in Hebrew, Hannah Rose in English. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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