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So, wait, if love = love, does that mean that parental love = filial love = brotherly love = friendly love = romantic love = sexual love? Gross.
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All you need is love! Da, da, da-da-daaaa All you need is love! Da, da, da-da-daaaa All you need is love, Love, Love is all you need.
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"Love is not controlled by gender. It is larger than prejudice. It is larger than indifference. For the love of our community, and for the love of ourselves, we celebrate those who find joy and beauty in loving without boundaries."
That's what the back of my T-shirt says. The shirt is from last year's Celebration, the annual queer event at my school.
I'm aware that not everyone agrees with the sentiment it expresses. But personally, I like it quite a bit.
quote:Originally posted by johnsonweed: Love is love.
While I probably agree with you about gay marriage, love is not always equivalent. I love many of my friends, but would not abvocate polygamy. I love my parents but would not advocate allowing parrents to marry their children, etc.
A better argument would be defining what is required for marriage and showing gay couples meet these requirements. As I've said before, I feel the ideal (modern) marriage is based on three things: Love, Partnership and Dedication. I feel these three things can exist just as strongly between an adult same-sex couple as my wife and I.
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quote:Originally posted by johnsonweed: Love is love.
While I probably agree with you about gay marriage, love is not always equivalent. I love many of my friends, but would not abvocate polygamy. I love my parents but would not advocate allowing parrents to marry their children, etc.
A better argument would be defining what is required for marriage and showing gay couples meet these requirements. As I've said before, I feel the ideal (modern) marriage is based on three things: Love, Partnership and Dedication. I feel these three things can exist just as strongly between an adult same-sex couple as my wife and I.
Maybe we should start imposing those requirements upon heterosexual couples, hm?
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Question: since when has all marriage been about love? A man and a woman can love each other and not be married, as can a same sex couple. Lots of people marry, not for love, but because they are forced to by family or religion or a million other circumstances. Lots of people marry because they WANT to, but the reason they want to has nothing to do with loving each other.
I support SSM. Personally, I think that all the religions taking official stances against SSM *should* change thier views, but they don't have to. The government must, for justice's sake. So I do appreciate the sentiment behind your words, johnsonweed, but I don't think love has much to do with the SSM debate beyond establishing that homosexuality exists and is not a choice.
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"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the weasels come." --Matt Groening
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However, sex is not love. Also, simply having love and a sexual relationship does not equate to marriage.
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d_h, using that side of the definition of marriage in order to counter homosexual marriage is a very, very shakey argument to go along...
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quote:Amor is to love you, amor is to care Amor is two people with something to share Amor for the Spanish, amour for the French Love in any language always means the same
~Amor, Jorge Spiteri/Los Amigos Invisibles
Now just imagine that sung to some disco/funk/acid jazz/latin fusion music and you've got the right idea...
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quote:Originally posted by johnsonweed: Love is love.
While I probably agree with you about gay marriage, love is not always equivalent. I love many of my friends, but would not abvocate polygamy.
Do you think it's okay that the US government outlawed polygamy when a religion existed in which polygamy was not only permissible, but in certain cases praiseworthy?
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It's a fascinating rhetorical technique, though. On the face of it, "love is love" is indisputable ("a=a" is basic to logic) and trivial (in and of itself, it implies nothing). If we go into the interpretation, as people did here, it's very disputable (I don't love children the same way I love ice cream!), but it's got so many (false) implications built in: * sex is love * there is no wrong way to love, that is, to have sex * all forms of love/sex have the same qualities, except for the kinds you aren't thinking about now * gay people are loving people because they are gay
So we get the qualities of one interpretation (indisputability) mixed with the qualities of the other (lots of implications).
I don't know the official name for this fallacy, but "word switcheroo" would do it.
But it didn't work. Maybe because Hatrackers are too smart? Or maybe it needed more verbage around it. It's a lot easier to fuddle people with 10 sentences than 3 words.
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