posted
The Energy Bill before Congress has a provision to extend Daylight Savings. That this is causing such an out-of -proportion reaction is hysterical.
It is cited as "A huge victory for sunshine lovers", by Rep. Edward Markey of Massachusetts.
The Air Transport Associations says it would be an "ultimate disaster for airlines and all of our customers, who will be horribly inconvenienced"
The National PTA predicts that extending Daylight Savings will harm our nation's children by leading to more accidents and abductions.
The Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association says it will benifit out nation's children by making them want to play outside instead of watching TV, thus "improving the nation's fitness".
It's Daylight Savings Time, people! It's not the end of the world.
I say, whatever they decide to do, I'm sure I will hardly notice.
posted
The only reason I'm against it is because anything that's been programed with daylight savings time built in will have to be manually corrected.
Posts: 7085 | Registered: Apr 2001
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: The only reason I'm against it is because anything that's been programed with daylight savings time built in will have to be manually corrected.
I hadn't thought of that. What a nightmare!
Let's organize a march on Washington to protest. And let's hold it in the dark!
Posts: 10397 | Registered: Jun 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
I don't think it would effect kids going to school in the dark because it makes the winter lack of light shorter.
DST makes my brain hurt. It should just go away.
quote:Rep. Fred Upton cites a 1970s Department of Transportation study that says it would save the equivalent of 100,000 barrels of oil daily.
I also think more current info could help? maybe not for something this odd, but in general. New studies people!
Posts: 2867 | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
This is a RIDICULOUS idea. It will be hellishly difficult to enact and/or adapt to, and will produce no particular benefit.
Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
I cannot understand anybody who ever spends time outdoors not liking daylight savings time. With DST, I can play tennis after work and not have to rely on poor lighting. With DST, I actually have time to play with my son in the backyard before the sun goes down. I think we should leave it the way it is now and never fall back.
Posts: 4625 | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged |
posted
I saw one of those little quick polls someplace like CNN the other day (yes, I know they're not reliable), and 75 percent of respondents were in favor of extending DST. I was flabbergasted. I think Zan is the only person I've heard of who actually likes DST.
Posts: 9945 | Registered: Sep 2002
| IP: Logged |
You won't notice an extra hour before Shabbos for 8 or 9 weeks?
Well, that would actually be nice. Maybe we can get a good word in on behalf of the Sabbath Observant.
What are the appropriate Tehillim to say?
I don't know about specific Tehillim, but perhaps reading the section about shemesh b'Givon would be appropriate.
The thing is, I would prefer to not have the time change. Unlike Dags, I don't want to kill DST -- I want to make it permanent. Which is never going to happen, so I'll settle for killing it. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
What's to dislike about having it get dark at 9PM?
Like he said, you can actually...
*gasp*
Do things outside!
The fact that a disproportionate amount of hatrackers are against it doesn't surprise me one bit. By definition we are a group of readers and computer nerds (or at least heavy users). Two groups not traditionally fond of the outdoors.
Posts: 5656 | Registered: Oct 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
Can somebody explain why they want to do away with DST other than the pain of resetting the clocks twice a year?
Posts: 4625 | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged |
posted
I'd favor making it permanent, too. I don't care what numbers we attach to the sun's position. But really, how hard would it be to start everything earlier if society decides it values that?
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I like DST, I just don't want to change it by some insignificant amount of time. It's not worth the hassel. If they made it permanent that would be a different story.
posted
Actually, I would prefer to make it permanent except for Halloween. There is something inherently wrong with trick-or-treating while the sun is still up.
Posts: 4625 | Registered: Jul 2002
| IP: Logged |
Its much easier to reprogram the clocks (wherever they are) than to change all the other times, particularly if some people don't decide to do so in the latter case. Every person would have to keep a personal list of which things they do that are starting earlier.
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by zgator: Actually, I would prefer to make it permanent except for Halloween. There is something inherently wrong with trick-or-treating while the sun is still up.
There goes my vampire disguise...
Posts: 2867 | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
I've been to many communities with very different start times: Washington gets going about 2 hours before most other cities, because lots of fed employees start at 7 or so. Other places get going at 8:30 or even 10:00.
You don't need to change all the other times. Just work and school. Everything else will adjust, one way or the other.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
Making DST Permanent wouldn't make that much sense at least if one of the purposes is to conserve energy. During the winter months we'd be using just as much energy in the mornings to light our way around the house and to work in the dark as we use currently in the evenings. Remember, DST doesn't give us extra daylight. It simply shifts the available daylight into the hours when the majority of the population aren't sleeping.
Posts: 6394 | Registered: Dec 1999
| IP: Logged |
posted
"Just work and school" isn't as easy as you make it sound. How about work that depends on the times in other locations (such as stock market related employment)? What if the daycare places don't choose to switch at the same times the other works switch? Et cetera.
Switching clocks is far easier -- you just change them all, by X amount, and you're done. This is mildly complicated in cases of computer applications, but not all that much (and can usually be quick-fixed by messing with the system clock).
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
I know, KarlEd. I want it permanent for purely selfish reasons: an extra hour before Shabbos in the winter. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by zgator: Can somebody explain why they want to do away with DST other than the pain of resetting the clocks twice a year?
Because many people have difficulty waking up when it's still dark outside. Many people also have trouble adjusting to a new sleep schedule twice a year.
Posts: 9945 | Registered: Sep 2002
| IP: Logged |
quote:Switching clocks is far easier -- you just change them all, by X amount, and you're done.
But you've made one arbitrary adjustment. If it were left alone, things would gradually settle toward the point where people want them.
For example, the sun sets almost a full hour later in Cincinnati than it does in Washington. Let local people work it out, not through policy, but through individual organizations setting hours. People will adjust over time.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I can only imagine the chaos -- "has the bus schedule changed?" "my bank now closes before I get off work even on fridays!" and so on and so on.
It would be a disaster.
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
Fugu, people and organizations change schedules all the time and we somehow muddle through. You're talking about something I haven't advocated. Under your system, there are two big clock adjustments each year, plus the constant schedule shifting that goes on anyway. Under my system, there's just the constant schedule shifting.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I like DST. We live in southern Indiana, so while our town and those south change time, some towns even just 20 minutes north don't. This is referred to either having "fast" time or "slow" time. When I call my vet to schedule an appt. for our dog, they ask if we're on fast or slow time. I just think the terms are funny.
posted
I'm all for personal expression and individualism so I'm proposing we take this a step further. From now on, each person will be individually responsible for the time they want to set their clocks to! Why should we let the government tell us what time we should wake up and go to sleep??!! From here on out, I set my watch to whatever time I want, whenever I want! Let's stop this abusive power that the government imposes on us by finally getting rid of this standardized method of telling time which does nothing but repress our individuality!
Posts: 1256 | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
I say we just leave DST alone. Indiana finally (finally, finally, FINALLY, FINALLY) voted to join the rest of the nation in DST. Please don't take away this one small trivial victory from an East Coast transplant.
Posts: 781 | Registered: Oct 2000
| IP: Logged |
posted
What I don't understand is why there's such a big deal about it because the time change will happen no matter what, it's just the date that's changing. If someone knows better than me please explain for my little brain cannot make sense of it.
Posts: 2867 | Registered: May 2005
| IP: Logged |
posted
Most of them don't change continuously, Dag, there's a reason 9 to 5 is stereotypical.
The energy savings across the nation are very large and very real due to the switching that occurs with daylight savings time. Making it permanent either with it or without it will pretty much nullify that energy savings.
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
9 to 5 might be stereotypical, but I've never once worked in an office or for a client where it was the actual start time.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I was referring to how offices tend to adopt schedules and stick with them rather than the particular times in question.
Posts: 15770 | Registered: Dec 2001
| IP: Logged |
posted
Yeah, I'm not advocating radical schedule changes throughout the year. I hate them. It screws with everyone's sleep schedule.
Posts: 26071 | Registered: Oct 2003
| IP: Logged |
posted
I'll throw in my two bits in favor of permanent DST. I hate never seeing the sun in the winter.
Posts: 4548 | Registered: May 2001
| IP: Logged |
Printer-friendly view of this topic
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
