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From my favortite blogger World O' Crap (you have to scroll down one article).
So, has anyone else heard about and or read this book? I'd love to hear from someone who read it before I let my preconcieved ideas about the partiarchal crap this guy is espousing take over.
This is a quote from the site that is selling the book WND "Every man is born to be a hero. And every woman has world-building skills that can help him accomplish that goal." So, every man is born with the skills to conquer the world, and every woman if born with the skills to hold him on her shoulders while he does it. I'm not neccessarily denying the truth of that statement. It's the whole gender inequality aspect of it that pisses me off. Women can be knights in shining armor too, darn it!
Anyways, this quote is what had me on the ground crying with laughter: I've been a technology consultant since 1974. I've learned, working with engineers of all stripes, how to effectivly and suavely deal with members of the opposite sex.... no that the secret to dealing effectively with complex situations is in having a good model. Like Tyra Banks . I know it's not very nice, but does anyone else find it really amusing to think that an engineer is writing a self help book? Anybody???
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Fie!.... thats right, Fie on you! Tyra Banks is the very model of a modern major... hottie. Kind of.
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I see what this thread is, it's another one of those 'blame the engineers for the problems of the world.' I mean clearly since they designed it, they're at fault when it breaks always. Why else do we have problems with the world? The obvious solution is just to remove the engineers. Then the problem will go away. I mean, as an engineer he should be aware that the average man weighs more than the average woman, so if she's supporting him, she's going to buckle and the entire structure will collapse. It's these built in failures that trick us into thinking that if we only had more engineers the world would go better, when in fact we would be better off without them.
(Just in case it isn't clear, I'm being facetious. I love engineers. . . really, I do!)
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Audeo, what the engineer can do is tell you how to place two woman in such a way as to form an arch or flying buttress, that will more than handle the extra weight of the male they are supporting.
Or at least be amusing to look upon.
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But Dan, then the man would have to be a polygamist. And we all know that polygamy is verboten. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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I hate to say it, but I think Tyra Banks is actually a good role model. She's in a shallow business, but she's not passive and she's not a victim of it.
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I really liked the thing she did when she dressed in a fat suit and went out to get people's reactions on dates and such.
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I read an article in some fashion magazine where she talked about the second half of a fashion career.
She said there are so many models that feel their career waning and then parley their good looks into a marriage with someone rich. She said she never, ever wanted to feel that desperate, and that when she knew she couldn't be a model forever, she looked for other ways to be involved where she had more power. She said she never wanted to be in the position where she felt she had to be with someone because she wasn't able to take care of herself.
She also said her mother told her to separate her bankable image from her own self image and self worth, and so she could be unhirable and still be beautiful and have worth. That the fashion industries narrow definition of what had value was an industry definition and not a real world standard.
If anyone wants me to, I can discuss the philosophical implications of Johnny Depp's career next.
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Johnny Depp's career choices seem to be those of someone who truly is not afraid to fail. He tends to choose the characters who are off kilter and different, and he's done it often enough that I don't think he's faking it. He's also in a shallow industry, and it doesn't hurt that he's one of the most gorgeous human beigs I've ever seen. It's nice that he used his natural good looks as a tool to create a life that he's proud of.
For the rest, I will quote syn's sig:
quote:"If there's any message to my work, it is ultimately that it’s OK to be different, that it’s good to be different, that we should question ourselves before we pass judgment on someone who looks different, behaves different, talks different, is a different color."
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HEY! PEOPLE! No derailing my thread into a fluff piece about pretty people! If you want to talk about the merits of the beautiful people, start your own darn thread!
Now, back to the subject of why engineers who write books about marriage that encourage a 14th century mentality are evil....
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Umm.... I'm not sure what you might be grumbling about, but I'm guessing from the link you posted, with it's glowing editorial review, that you disagree with me. However, that entire review simply reieterated exactly what I found annoying about the book in the first place.
quote: "Book Description This book DOES NOT say that women are inferior to men. Far from it! It says men cannot really be fully men without taking advantage of their wives’ world-building skills."
So, what? It's saying men are inferior to women? A man cant really be a man without a woman behind him, making sure he doesnt screw up? So much better.
quote: "Gold-medal winners owe their achievements to their coaches—the ones who had a vision of what their athlete could achieve, and then helped them move beyond their natural tendencies into greatness."
Again, apparently a mans natural tendencies dont run towords greatness. He needs a woman pushing him into that vision of splendor that only she can see. Sounds healthy.
quote: This book also says that without a proper coaching relationship with her husband, a woman is handicapped in her search for personal fulfillment. She may achieve great things, but she’ll be limping up to get her gold medal. Yes, a woman occasionally needs coaching from her husband. But until he has made her truly part of himself in his heart of hearts, he can’t see her well enough to advise her.
There are so many things about this quote that make me sputter in anger that it's hard to figure out where to begin. First of all, a woman is NOT handicapped without a man. Her achievements dont mean nothing unless they are accomplished vicariously through her husband. And, a woman needs understanding and support from her husband, just as much as he needs it from her. The responsiblity lies on both thier shoulders to ensure that he understands her enough to know this, not just on hers.
quote: "BOTTOM LINE: Whatever else a woman does, she needs to coach her husband into his own greatness so he can encourage her into her own greatness. It’s enlightened self-interest!"
The fact that the word "enlightened" was used within fifty feet of this article is a crime against linguistics.
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No, no, no, I'm not grumbling. I asked what you do when something true gripes you, and I gave *my* solution, which is to grumble. I highly recommend it. It feels nice, and it's free!
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