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I don't bother with big crossovers. They're rarely handled well. I just buy the story lines I like, in whatever comic series happens to have a good one, and if I hear later that the crossover was decent I'll pick up the TPB.
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I'm actually a little interested in where Marvel might go with "Civil War." But "Infinite Crisis" just bored me from the get-go.
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I dunno... Avengers Disassembled was pretty lame, and the House of M was very hit or miss with me.
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I didn't buy the series, I Byrne-stole it. (Read it in the store)
It was hard to avoid this big crossover, as major storylines in nearly every DC title were shoehorned into setting it up for the past three years.
"Civil War" would interest me more if Mark Millar wasn't writing it. Ever since he began believing his own good press and hype, he's been churning out extremely average stuff that's nevertheless heralded as some kind of never-before-seen spectacle
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I'd heard good things about Infinite Crisis. I haven't had the time to read it yet, but my roommate has impeccable taste as far as comics go (he has yet to steer me wrong), and he seems to like it fairly well. It's interesting to hear otherwise.
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I didn't mind Infinite Crisis that much. I just figured for such a "big event" that more would have resulted from it. The only change I felt was even slightly big was the death of Superboy. The rest of it was all minor stuff (i.e. changing small facts of the past, changing peoples' costumes, and getting a new Blue Beetle). Not a whole lot else changed, which is surprising for an "infinite" crisis.
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Overall, I found IC great fun. More so than with most crossovers, you needed to read other books to fully appreciate the main series. A few of the countdown book were weak, especially Rann-Thanagar War, but Day of Vengence was better than most. Detective Chimp. What could be cooler?
Avengers Disasembles was the worst thing I read last year until I read House of M. And the accompanying minisereies added nothing and have had zero effect on the Marvel Uneverse.
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I'm not sure about zero effect. While I agree that "House of M" was indeed remarkably lame, and think it's rather suspicious that none of the big mutant names lost their powers, it'd be a stretch to argue that neither it nor "Avengers Disassembled" had lasting effect -- especially compared to "Infinite Crisis," which as noted basically gave us a costume redesign of the Blue Beetle.
That said, this kind of world-changing storyline is something I usually find tedious, anyway; when it's not ridiculously irrelevant and its effects curiously muted (like, say, most of the 198 remaining mutants in the world happening to exist on various X-Teams, or Nick Fury's recent "Secret War" doing little more than setting up the upcoming "Civil War" storyline), it's tone-deaf and blaring (like, say, the REST of the impact of "House of M," like all those mutants living for no clear reason as refugees and the X-Men collaborating inexplicably with shadowy government forces).
But, again, I think "Civil War" could rock. It's the same story that DC did with "Kingdom Come," of course, but this time it's actually in continuity -- and the heroes, if I've got the lineup correct, aren't split down obvious lines. Here's hoping that they split down sensible, coherently justified lines, though. Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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Forget about sensible. They had SHIELD attacking Captain America just because Cap had mild objections to something SHIELD proposed...so they tried to kill him.
Talk about a steamroller approach to the "Goverment agencies bad/Super-heroes good" moral.
And portraying the New Warriors (who regularly stopped world class villains back in their 90s glory days) as clueless posers with no clue as how to fight flippin' Nitro?
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Yeah, that's my big concern -- not turning the New Warriors into lame poseurs, because I'm okay with that, never much liked 'em anyway, and honestly think the Marvel Universe needs more "heroes" who are evidently self-interested, lame poseurs -- but the fact that the material I've seen seems to be coming down pretty hard on the "anti-registration" side of the war. The story will ONLY be interesting if they can make the "pro-registration" side compelling and sympathetic, even if they don't go out of their way to make it RIGHT; if they turn all the pro-reg people into sinister and/or authoritarian idiots, the whole allegory is going to get tiresome within a month.
Sadly, neither Marvel nor DC are particularly good at "subtle."
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I'm tiring of a lot of the big name comic companies' mainstream work. Avengers Disassembledwas eye-rollingly terrible, but House of M was passable. Still, the spinoffs from HoM are the most pathetically stupid and awful things I've seen in a long time. Astonishing X-Men is still all right, mostly because Whedon's writing it and the guy's got him an impeccable sense of humor, but the New Avengers are unbearably corny. And don't start me on any DC comic lines.
Oh, plus we have "nontraditional" comics like Transmetropolitan and Fable that purport to do new things with the medium but just repeat tired old cliches or steal from older and better work (so, Warren Ellis, you liked to plagiarize Alan Moore, huh?) with a shinier polish. Oh, or Strangers in Paradise, which is still searching in vain for the appropriate balance between realist and extraordinary elements.
I'm liking some of the older comic books more. Not very old, just not entirely recent. You know. Watchmen. Sandman. Marvels. Those little gems. There's been a few good new ones--Secret Identity and Serenity come to mind--but they're few and far between.
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