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Mig
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Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame and the rest of their liberal buddies have been claiming for years that the White House ruined her career by disclosing her CIA employment as part of payback for Wilson's statements against the administration's justifications for liberating Iraq. We now know it was Richard Armitage who made the disclosure and that he did it it inadvertently and as was just relating gossip. Even the editorial board of the Washington Post, hardly a supporter of the war or of the administration, has reached this conclusion. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460.html

Better yet, the Post even concludes what us conservatives have been saying all along about who's responcible for ruining Plame's CIA career: Joe Wilson, her loving, clueless husband..

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Lyrhawn
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Well I guess that proves Liberals are wrong about everything.

And that the Bush Administration really is a paragon of truth.

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True, true. Either you think Bush is a genius or you punch babies and love terrorism.

I know where I stand.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Well I guess that proves Liberals are wrong about everything.

And that the Bush Administration really is a paragon of truth.

Or that Carl Rove though sleezy did not actually have anything to do with this. Its sorta like finding out Stalin was not responsible for A particular mass grave in siberia.

edit: But I do think some sort of apology is in order.

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Lyrhawn
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I'd say that I don't really feel bad for being of an administration with a penchant for being secretive, dishonest, and misleading, but I have a feeling I'd be eviscerated for it.

Suffice to say it looks like accusers were wrong, but that says almost nothing about the larger arguments against the administration.

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Bob_Scopatz
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Mig...

Does this article tell you anything about the Washington Post and the conservative myth of a liberal bias in the press?

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quote:
Better yet, the Post even concludes what us conservatives have been saying all along about who's responcible for ruining Plame's CIA career: Joe Wilson, her loving, clueless husband..
Yes, the responcibility (sp) is his and his alone.

Doubtlessly.

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AvidReader
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One more reason why office gossip is bad for you. [No No]
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quote:
Originally posted by Mig:
We now know it was Richard Armitage who made the disclosure and that he did it it inadvertently and as was just relating gossip.

Armitage was Novak's original source, but Rove and Libby were original sources for six other reporters.
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Armitage's role aside, the public record is without question: senior White House aides wanted to use Valerie Wilson's CIA employment against her husband. Rove leaked the information to Cooper, and Libby confirmed Rove's leak to Cooper. Libby also disclosed information on Wilson's wife to New York Times reporter Judith Miller.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608290009

And the memo Armitage got the Plame info from only existed because Libby requested info on Wilson in the beginning of the campaign to smear Wilson.

[ September 02, 2006, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: Morbo ]

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Morbo
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That Post editorial is riddled with factual errors, many of them covered by previous Post articles. Declassifying material on-the-fly to discredit someone is no way to run a government.
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Wash. Post editorial board quoted one Post story to attack Wilson and Plame, appears not to have read any others

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And an April 9 report by Post staff writers Barton Gellman and Dafna Linzer on court documents filed by Fitzgerald noted:

As he drew back the curtain this week on the evidence against Vice President Cheney's former top aide, Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald for the first time described a "concerted action" by "multiple people in the White House" -- using classified information -- to "discredit, punish or seek revenge against" a critic of President Bush's war in Iraq.

Bluntly and repeatedly, Fitzgerald placed Cheney at the center of that campaign. Citing grand jury testimony from the vice president's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald fingered Cheney as the first to voice a line of attack that at least three White House officials would soon deploy against former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

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Fitzgerald reported for the first time this week that "multiple officials in the White House"-- not only Libby and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, who have previously been identified -- discussed Plame's CIA employment with reporters before and after publication of her name on July 14, 2003, in a column by Robert D. Novak. Fitzgerald said the grand jury has collected so much testimony and so many documents that "it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish' Wilson."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200609020003
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Lyrhawn
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quote:
Declassifying material on-the-fly to discredit someone is no way to run a government.
Neither is this...
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BlackBlade
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
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Declassifying material on-the-fly to discredit someone is no way to run a government.
Neither is this...
That made my evening Lyrhawn, Monty Python just makes any day better.
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Shigosei
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Help, help, I'm being repressed!
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"And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids."
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I will say, though, that is was humorous and increased my cycnicism to hear Daniel Shore on NPR yesterday morning refer to it as 'very disappointing' at least twice at this current outcome of the Valerie Plame scandals.
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