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Tinros
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So I'm selling my piccolo, which has never been used, and am getting quite a bit of money out of it(I won't specify how much). While most of that is going towards saving for an apartment in a few years, my parents have agreed to let me buy a guitar and start taking lessons.

I have an old guitar at home, but I don't know the make or model. It was my mom's when she was growing up- an electric guitar, but the plug for the amp is coroded, and it would cost far too much to fix it.

I'm having trouble deciding whether to buy an acoustic or electric guitar. I have pros and cons for each, and will list them here.

Acoustic pros:
I can play many songs I like, like Stairway to Heaven.
I can play songs that are easier to sing along to.
I can play with my friend's family- her relatives play mandolin and acoustic guitar, so an electric guitar wouldn't really work.
It's cheaper, since you don't need an amp.

Acoustic cons:
Much harder to learn, from what I've heard.
I WOULDN'T be able to play some of my favorite songs- I like a lot of hard rock, namely Avenged Sevenfold, which uses mainly electric guitars.
Harder on the fingers- I have small hands.

Electric pros:
Easier to learn.
I could play some of my favorite songs, as mentioned above, but not all of them.
Easier on the fingers- the strings are easier to press.
More fun, at least in my opinion. Who doesn't want to rock out?

Electric cons:
Less opportunity to play.
Not as easy to strum, so harder to sing along.
A bit more expensive, if it includes an amp.

So there's one predicament. The next is choosing the guitar itself. I have no idea what to look for, how to try it out, anything like that. SO Hatrack, can you help me? Which kind of guitar is best for someone who's never played before, and which would you recommend?

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Kwea
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I bought a really nice electric/acoustic for about $250. It sounds great....now I just have to learn to play it. [Wink]


What kind of music are you planning on playing with it?

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That's the thing. I don't know. I like rock, a lot- but I also like country, and some rock songs that use an acoustic guitar.
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since when are acoustic guitars harder to learn to play than electric? and you can still play stairway to heaven on an electric guitar.

i am no help at all.

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I think acoustic is better if you're learning, because a) it's easier to schlep around and b) takes up less room if you never use it, not needing an amp and all.

Do you have something like the Recycler where you live? That's where my dad gets all his best guitars-- someone else bought it and never used it or doesn't have room or his girlfriend hates it or whatever so he's selling it cheap and lists it in the local Recycler.

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Hmmm. I was going to vote electric, but I changed my mind. My vote is nylon-string acoustic. I have all three guitars, and that's the one I pick up most often. It's not as good for strumming, but it's the best for fingerpicking, which is what I like best.

If you want to do more chords and rock songs, I'd suggest electric. It does have more equipment and is less portable, but it's soooo much fun to mess around with. And it is the easiest to play.

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quote:
...My vote is nylon-string acoustic [snip] that's the one I pick up most often. [/snip]
I agree. I have various different guitars; solid body electric, hollow-body electric, acoustic and nylon strung acoustic (classical). The one that gets the most use is the classical. BTW it cost me the least and is by far and away the most fun.

Pros: it's easy on the fingers, it's quiet and if you have the classical chops you can sound like a king.

Cons: you can't wail.

Remeber guitars are like shoes, you choose the right pair for the job, but at a pinch you can go running in clogs...

From your post you sound like you're just starting out. I'd go with a classical style guitar - with a cut out for the high notes if possible. Once you really get into it, you'll probably end up with various... [Wink]

Good luck whatever.

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mackillian
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I also have small hands (and short fingers. I hate my short fingers). Nathan and I (way back) went to the music store and had a long chat with the manager (we didn't know it was the manager till we were checking out) and we tried several guitars. We discussed what type of music I like and looked at my fingers.

(I physically cannot play barre chords)

Anyway, we ended up with an Alvarez RD20SC. It's got the cutaway so I can hit the higher notes and has a smaller neck than most guitars. Other than the barre chord frustration, I can play it fairly well. We also got it used. [Smile]

So it might be best to go to a reputable music shop and work with someone who knows what they're doing and won't try to sell you what they want, but someone who will sell you what you need in order to play.

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I have no guitar advice, but I will state that I want your piccolo.

Not that I can afford it, mind you. I just want it.

That is all.

[Big Grin]

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harder rock songs can sound very interesting on acoustic guitar.

I'd go with an acoustic.

also Taylor and Breedlove have been making some "entry level models" that are a bit more expensive (they cost around $600) than your typical learning guitar, but they sound so much better that I think you'll enjoy learning more with them. Dunno if that fits your budget, but if it does, I highly recommend them.

Another brand to consider for both electric and acoustic is Schecter. Not the highest quality, but pretty good, fairly inexpensive, and they come out of the box completely set up to play properly-- which is a lot more than it sounds. It makes them consistently one of the most easy to play instruments out there... and fairly inxpensive. Carvin does the same thing but they are more expensive and you can't try them out in a store before you purchase them unless you happen to live in the LA area.

In the US, you'll find that "made in the USA" commands a premium price. I have not found that to be worth paying.

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I actually played a $500 Breedlove yesterday at a Guitar Center and I was blown away by how smooth the action was and how great the tone was. I also own an Ovation that goes in that price range which plays amazingly (it's a Balladeer).

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mack, since when you do play guitar?!

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Tinros, do you ever plan on playing in a band? Or is this just for your own amusement? Do you want to become an advanced and skilled guitarist? Or just learn how to play?

If you want to play in a band or you want to eventually become a very advanced guitarist I would recommend electric. You can learn how to solo better on electrics and play more advanced things.

Otherwise, acoustic.

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I'd go with acoustic myself. Or an electric/acoustic. I like the sound of them better. But then again, when I was trying to learn guitar, my mom refused to buy me an electric and instead bought me a cheap acoustic. I never got into it, and to this day can not play any instrument at all. I'm not sure if that's because I got an acoustic instead of an electric, but I do like to blame it on that. So, if you're sure you're going to take the time and learn it, I would pick acoustic (haha, get it? "pick" acoustic? hahaha). But if you just want to jam out every once in a while and sound impressive, while not actually taking the time to practice and get better, go with electric. And a cool effects peddle.


Edit: But then, I just realized I just gave you virtually the opposite advice of Gaal, and as I have already confessed my virtual ignorance of the guitar, I'd go with Gaal's over mine. [Dont Know]

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Nell Gwyn
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I don't know anything about playing guitar, but my nephew plays classical guitar, and he spent a semester in Spain last year, both because he majored in Spanish and so he could study guitar even further.

From what I've heard, getting really good at classical acoustic is a bit harder than getting really good at electric. If it were me, I'd probably start off with the one that would be easier to transistion to the other style from later - i.e. if it's easier to learn electric when you already know acoustic, then start with acoustic, and then you'll learn both in less time than you would if you went the other way. I don't know if it actually works that way, but the theory makes sense in my head, and I like being efficient like that.

I'm probably not helping either. I'll stop now. Good luck! [Smile]

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I first started picking on my mum's old nylon-string classical guitar, but since I wanted to play rock, it wasn't long before my parents got me a cheap used electric as a birthday gift. I promptly bought a distortion pedal and spent the rest of my high school career annoying them with 90's alt-rock. I still have that electric, but I bought an acoustic last year. For the kind of stuff you say you want to learn, an electric may be better -- and you can plug headphones into your amp if you want to play without annoying anyone.

However, the "pick up and play" value of an acoustic is hard to overestimate.

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quote:
Originally posted by El JT de Spang:
I actually played a $500 Breedlove yesterday at a Guitar Center and I was blown away by how smooth the action was and how great the tone was.

*nods*. the difference between that and a $2000 custom built Breedlove? basically that it's made in Korea and doesn't have as much fancy woodwork...
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Kwea
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I foubnd that I don't care for the classical sound...so much that I sold my entry level classical and bought a steel string guitar.


I play something like 11 instruments (or I did many years ago) so I know music, but I am researching lessons in my new area now.

I think I have found someone, but I want to find out a little bit about them before I buy lessons. [Smile]

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Glenn Arnold
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Any advantage of playability is really moot. You can get acoustic guitars with any style neck, and any tension strings. You just have to shop around a bit to find one that feels right in your hands. The trick is you have to know how to play before you can really shop.

There are subtle differences in the way a neck is set up, and necks with similar characteristics can be vastly different to play, depending on the action, fret height, even the finish of the fret board can make a difference.

For a beginner, I'd definitely recommend an acoustic.

There's a bit of a paradox: Beginners often suffer because they bought a cheap guitar that doesn't play well. Then they give up entirely. Better to start with a guitar that plays well.

I'd learn enough on a friend's guitar that you can try playing a bunch of guitars at a store. That can be a real educational experience. You'll learn more by playing different guitars than you will by asking people for advice.

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What Glenn said.

Also, avoid classicals like the plague unless you plan on never playing chords.

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Go to a good store, with knowledgeable sales people, and play some different guitars, until you find one that sounds the way you want it to.

Know your price range before you go in. It's too easy to either buy a cheap guitar because the price seems too good to pass up, or get talked into something you can't afford by a sales person. Give yourself a price range that you can live with, and find the best sounding and most playable guitar in that range.

Personally, I like the sound of acoustics, and they fit well with the kind of music I like to play. I also like that I can pick up and go, I can take it to the beach, I can move around the house, etc.

Buy a guitar that you will love to play.

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"you can try playing a bunch of guitars at a store."

How well do you play now?
Will you know enough to know the difference between one guitar and another?

My husband got my son a Takamine SC 335 acoustic/electric, and its sound is spectacular.

He got it for $255. It was a second from the factory. We have had very good luck with guitars on the Internet.

The main problem with the non-Taks was that they went out of tune pretty quickly.

He also has an electric guitar, but still prefers acoustic. He does not find one to be easier than the other.

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Also, if you do not feel confident yourself, take a friend who plays to the store with you.
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I recently recieved a starter electric set for Christmas after learning and practicing on my dad's old acoustic/electric. It's not good but not bad, if you want to play any Led Zeppelin, or Rock in general, I'd go with electric. The awesome feeling you get having a great amp behind, turned all the way up to 8 or 9, is incredible.

Also, I found that I had an easier time picking up guitar because I played the drums for most of my life. Having a good sense of rythym really helps when your learning scales. But, it looks like you won't have a problem. [Razz]

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I recently recieved a starter electric set for Christmas after learning and practicing on my dad's old acoustic/electric. It's not good but not bad, if you want to play any Led Zeppelin, or Rock in general, I'd go with electric. The awesome feeling you get having a great amp behind, turned all the way up to 8 or 9, is incredible.

Also, I found that I had an easier time picking up guitar because I played the drums for most of my life. Having a good sense of rythym really helps when your learning scales. But, it looks like you won't have a problem. [Razz]

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Glenn Arnold
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quote:
"you can try playing a bunch of guitars at a store."

How well do you play now?
Will you know enough to know the difference between one guitar and another?

It's pretty intimidating going into a guitar store in the first place. I play pretty well, but I still feel weird when I play out loud in a store. Like "am I really worthy of this instrument?"

I don't think you have to play very well in order to start making comparisons, and learning what feels good in your hands. Some guitar stores have practice rooms where you can play in private, so you don't feel like everybody's judging you.

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I barely knew how to play at all when I went to the guitar store. But nathan was with me, so that made a difference. It also helped that we had an honest, very helpful employee helping us out.

I actually prefer the acoustic over the electric (nathan has a jackson, um...JS1 Dinky).

quote:
mack, since when you do play guitar?!
Um... since last summer? Or the summer before. I certainly don't play that well. I can play some recognizable songs but can't sing along or I get all messed up. And the pick and I have a somewhat tenuous relationship.
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Bring your guitar with you, Mack. Forgot to mention that.
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I bought an Ibanez acoustic/electric, and am very happy with it. I paid $199.99 for it, and since that is the best price I found on-line as well, I'd say I got a good deal over all. It sounded so much better than any of the other guitars that I had the guy try that it was a no-brainer.

The only thing I wasn't crazy about was the color-it's pure black- but the sound was so much better than any of the other $150-200 guitars I listened to I still took it.


I had the guy play about 15 guitars, since I don't play, and he was very cool about it. I played multiple insturments, just not guitar, so I knew what I was looking for.


It was also the only electric/acoustic they had in the price range.


I recommend Guitar Center highly. They have great sales, don't try to sell you things you don't need, and have a great selection. They also offer used guitars, and sometimes those are the best deals in the store. I was hoping to find one of those, but they didn't have a large selection of low priced ones when I went it. They had JUST sole a great Yamaha acoustic/electric two days before...list price on it was $600, and it went for about $225.


If a guitar says it has a "select spruce" top, that means it is a solid spruce top, doesn't it? If so, then I got a better deal than I thought. [Smile]

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quote:
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Hmmm. I was going to vote electric, but I changed my mind. My vote is nylon-string acoustic. I have all three guitars, and that's the one I pick up most often. It's not as good for strumming, but it's the best for fingerpicking, which is what I like best.

If you want to do more chords and rock songs, I'd suggest electric. It does have more equipment and is less portable, but it's soooo much fun to mess around with. And it is the easiest to play.

If I play, it's usually my nylon. I have two acoustic steel stringed ( a Yahmaha and a Ibanez), one Nylon and an electric Stratocaster which my brother paid a heap for (try over $1000).

Here's why I'm not fond of the electric. I like to play in my room, in the guest room (where the computer happens to be) and downstairs. To say that lugging a 60 lb black box around the house makes me extremely angry would be an under-statement. If I don't want to carry it around, the acoustics are far too mute to provide a satisfying level of volume.

And so I'd recommend an acoustic.

As to whether you should choose a nylon over a steel guitar is up to you. One thing you should know, and will most likely notice, is that nylon guitar frets are considerably wider and, hence, bar-chords are more difficult to learn. On the other hand, steel strings are made of *gasp* steel, and may turn away the tender-fingered.

Try both out, and come to your own decession.

As far as brands go, I love my Ibanez. It's cheap enough and it sounds fantastic. Goodluck learning to play, I hope i've helped.

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I play a left handed Seagull I got from Elderly Instruments. Some dude on here said, buy a used one! Don't buy new! So this guitar is used and they fixed it for me, it had a few small problems. It's solid cedar top with laminated sides but it has a great sound.
I fail at guitar though. Because I STILL CANT' DO THAT DAMN F CHORD!
Seagulls are very good, however. They have a nice loud warm sort of sound.

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Fretboard size is something you should consider if you have small hands, but I wouldn't let steel strings vs. nylon factor into your choice based on potential pain when playing. It only takes about a week to build up good calluses, and then you won't worry about the strings any more.
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I STILL CANT' DO THAT DAMN F CHORD!
Is the problem that you can't get your fingers in position? Or that you can't hold down the strings with enough pressure?

If it's pressure, try getting your fingers in the correct position, but don't put pressure on the strings until you actually strum. Then just pinch the chord momentarily as you strum. Think of the pinch as if your were lifting weights. Each pinch is a repetition.

[ January 07, 2007, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: Glenn Arnold ]

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To say that lugging a 60 lb black box around the house
You can pick up a small, light amp at a good price instead of lugging the big one around the house. [Wink]

...

Syn, you'll get that F chord, I promise. If I can do it with my stubby fingers, then anyone can. It did take me awhile, though. Keep at it.

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Cool, thanks Glenn and Mack.
It's taking me forever to switch from one chord to the next. I want to try to learn to play actual songs such as those neet cranberries songs and IG.
But I don't think I'm ready to tackle Diru and Black Sabbath without an electric guitar.

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Syn, you really just have to play and play and play. I learned guitar because I wanted to be able to play "Losing my Religion." (yes, that was the only reason)

Of course, the F chord was in it. [Wink]

But it took awhile (I mean awhile) to be able to play it reliably.

If you haven't already, try checking out and/or using sites like these:

http://www.guitarlessonworld.com/lessons/index.htm

http://www.guitarnoise.com/lessons.php

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Losing my Religion is a spiffy song.
I want to play because of Kaoru and all the other people who have nifty guitar songs.
But, I need to play more. It's hard with the wrist pain from typing ><

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quote:
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the plug for the amp is coroded, and it would cost far too much to fix it.

Um, how so? It's just buy part, solder, solder, screw in and you're done. Maybe I'm overestimating your DIY skills.
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hopefully im not too late to throw in my $.02, and ive read some of what you guys said, but here goes

i have both an acoustic and an electric guitar

an acoustic IS more difficult to learn, but it is pretty important to pick up first - it takes more muscle to push down on the strings, therefore takes more time and practice to play well on it

an electric is much MUCH easier to play on for that same fact

there are some other pros and cons im not sure you looked at

if you are at risk of waking people up from playing guitar late at night, an electric is better because you can play it with the amp off which makes it virtually noiseless. you can still physically hear it, but only someone in the same room as you can hear it

acoustic strings also break more easily - i know i really need to change my electric strings, but i havent changed em in two years and i play it quite often. ive changed my acoustic's strings like 5 times, which is less than i should have, but i only change the strings when they break because im freakin lazy

you can pretty much play anything on an electric that you can on an acoustic, and you can change the settings so that an electric is very soothing, similar to an acoustic, but i like that generally acoustics are lighter unless your electric is cheap (my gibson SG beats the hell out of my leg), an acoustic guitar is easy to travel with since you dont need an amp, and if you practice on an acoustic, you can play on an electric pretty easily.

there are things you can do on an acoustic that you cant on an electric, and a lot that you can do on an electric that you cant on an accoustic, but it really boils down to how much you wanna pay (good acoustic guitars are generally cheaper -- good electric + good amp = big money) and how much you wanna play


:-O

hope i dont sound too retarded

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