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He may have been referring to Baldar, a notorious troll of days long past. Pelegius, however, is a better writer than Baldar was.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again now:
When I see someone start a thread, implicitly asking people to devote their time and effort to participating in it, and then delete it, I become far less likely to participate in any thread that they started. I don't want to give them another opportunity to delete my words.
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He deleted it himself? I originally thought Noemon meant that Pop had deleted the thread, but I guess Noemon wouldn't be too likely to make a face at Pop.
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You mean there were that many people tripping over each other to get to a Pelegius thread to begin with?
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Just played the game a bit at my brother's place BB. Probably where I got the misspelling from.
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quote:You mean there were that many people tripping over each other to get to a Pelegius thread to begin with?
I suspect that Pel's chief objection to the thread was the fact that it had ceased to have anything to do with him.
It's possible that Pop deleted the thread, and if he did I assume that he had good reason, but that reason would have have to have cropped up very late in the thread's development (and it's much more Pop's style to edit offending posts as necessary and lock the thread). I think it's much more likely that Pel deleted it himself.
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quote:Originally posted by twinky: He may have been referring to Baldar, a notorious troll of days long past. Pelegius, however, is a better writer than Baldar was.
Yeah. The conversation had moved on to Baldar, Ced, their effects on the forum, and people's perceptions of their behavior.
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The main thread on Hurricane Katrina has been deleted, as well as several interesting discussions about math, and I don't see anyone kicking up a fuss about that.
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I do wish we had a way of determining who deleted the threads. We had General Sax's thread disappear and I just assumed he had deleted it. Now this one by Pel, which I assume Pel deleted.
Hmm...could Pel and GS be alts for the same person?
That might make sense seeing as how they are both so "out there" on the stylistic scale, and, if someone were trying to fool us into thinking they were two actually distinct posters, they might elect to make them maximally different.
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I think it's pretty silly that this forum allows non-moderators to delete threads that they have started.
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I love being able to delete threads. Though I rarely ever post a thread that is so controversial that people would care. I just delete my stupid teenager thought a year or so after I have resolved it unless there was a good hatrack moment in the thread.
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I disagree, although I don't think I have ever deleted anything other than a mayfly, which by it's nature is intended to be deleted. Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote:Originally posted by narrativium: I agree with Samprimary. Only mods should be allowed to delete whole threads.
UBB does not have a "may delete posts but may not delete threads" option.
As has been mentioned every freakin' time this conversation happens (which is about every third significant thread deletion).
Don't get me wrong. I think this thread deletion was rude and mean-spirited, and so are many others. I do wish there were a time-limit on deletions -- say, 24 hours after posting, a post/thread could no longer be deleted.
But I would be very unhappy if the ability to delete posts were taken away (as is true on another UBB forum I post on) altogether. Despite my frustration with some frequent deleters (both of posts and of threads).
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quote:But I would be very unhappy if the ability to delete posts were taken away (as is true on another UBB forum I post on) altogether. Despite my frustration with some frequent deleters (both of posts and of threads).
But posts may be edited to remove all their content without allowing threads to be deleted. Is that a fair compromise?
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How come? It allows one to remove one's own regretted posts without allowing one to remove others' regretted posts.
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I want to have the power to delete a post entirely, leaving no trace (assuming I'm fast/lucky enough that no one has seen it yet) behind. Given that the only way (AFAIK) to do that on UBB is to also have the power to delete entire threads, I guess so.
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I'm not sure I follow either, rivka; how is it not a compromise?
Aspectre, if I'd been actively participating in those threads when they were deleted I'd have complained about that too.
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quote:I do wish we had a way of determining who deleted the threads. We had General Sax's thread disappear and I just assumed he had deleted it. Now this one by Pel, which I assume Pel deleted.
We later discovered that it was General Sax who deleted that thread.
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I would be fine if we took away deletion rights and you could only edit - that still would allow you to delete words you didn't want up anymore but not give you the power to delete anyone else's.
The only time I can see it being a problem is in a thread that I personally deleted - I posted some information that I shouldn't have, violating some privacy issues, and others had quoted me so I couldn't just edit it away. I did tell everyone I was going to delete it and apologized for it. But in that case, you could perhaps whistle the posts that had the information and ask the mods to edit or delete them or even the whole thread if the mods thought it necessary.
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That's refreshingly up front of you to admit that you like having the power to remove others' words.
(And rivka, this isn't meant as contrast or that you haven't been up front - I 100% believe that your motivation is purely control over your own posts, not others'.)
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Wait, rivka, I'm confused... you CAN delete individual posts, can you not? The only instance in which it would delete an entire thread is if it's the first/original post in the thread. And in that case, subsequent responses wouldn't make sense anyway... what exactly are you referring to?
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quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: That's refreshingly up front of you to admit that you like having the power to remove others' words.
(And rivka, this isn't meant as contrast or that you haven't been up front - I 100% believe that your motivation is purely control over your own posts, not others'.)
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Dags, I didn't say that, actually. Nor would it be true. Not if we're going to use words like "purely" or "100%."
I have (twice? three times? perhaps more than that, but not much) very rarely deliberately deleted threads. The most recent time I shocked Jonathon. They were always short threads, and I always warned people first.
However, I have defended the deletion (by other people) of longer threads. OTOH, I absolutely believe that other members of the community have every right to:
continue to quote all or some of a deleted post/thread
indicate their displeasure with thread deletion via threads like this one
and/or by ignoring/avoiding subsequent threads from frequent-deleters.
Raia, UBB forums (AFAIK, and going by what I have been told in the past) can be "set" (by the mods) to either allow no post deletions or all post deletions. Hatrack has the latter; my other UBB forum has the former.
quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: That's refreshingly up front of you to admit that you like having the power to remove others' words.
(And rivka, this isn't meant as contrast or that you haven't been up front - I 100% believe that your motivation is purely control over your own posts, not others'.)
If you're responding to my post. Um. What?
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Yes, I was responding to your post. You have stated that anyone who has faced objectionable content aimed at them would welcome the ability to delete a thread. I did presume that this was because they would want to remove the offending content themselves.
I disagree with that wholeheartedly, but I like that you're up front about it.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: I think it's pretty silly that this forum allows non-moderators to delete threads that they have started.
You only say this because you've never had a thread that YOU started turn terribly ugly and cruel towards yourself.
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I have been flamed worse than hatrack would ever allow, and still on principle I do not support the removal of public record on forums. I have never deleted the account of my participation in discussions. I have never vanished a post, nor a thread. Assuming my principles do not change, I never will. Never had the desire, really.
A lot of places are catching on to this idea, since the practice of 'Stealth Edit' and 'vanishment' infuriates people. On my favorite forums, there is no deletion of record. Threads can be exiled to static forums or locked, but the account remains the same. It has worked out great.
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...because I've never been up-front about anything before?
Well Sam, I'm sorry I'm just not as "principled" as you. I tend to expect people to behave in a semi-civil manner. If they don't, I don't see why I should be forced to continue to put up with it.
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It was more like harassment than any kind of decent topic Dag. For what she was talking about, anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by pH: ...because I've never been up-front about anything before?
-pH
I have no idea where you get that from. I haven't said anything of the kind, nor do any of my posts mean that.
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Knowing that I could never go back and edit or delete my words would severly limit my participation in a forum.
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quote:Originally posted by rivka: Raia, UBB forums (AFAIK, and going by what I have been told in the past) can be "set" (by the mods) to either allow no post deletions or all post deletions. Hatrack has the latter; my other UBB forum has the former.
I prefer the latter.
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Hey, before Noemon goes out of control wacko and deletes this thread (just kidding mind you), did someone answer my question about when the puppy kicking thread was? I was looking forward to coming home and finding out.
And I like that we have the ability to delete threads. I also like threads like this that make it abundantly clear that it's seen as an extreme lack of decorum to do so without notice.
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I still don't think it SHOULD be seen as so terribly rude if terribly rude things have been said to you inside the thread. If people want to be treated with respect and courtesy, they should treat others that way as well.
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Notice I said "without notice". I deleted a thread which a lot of people put a lot of time and thought into. It wasn't an offensive thread, just one that would get me in trouble later (my "Teenage angst" thread"). I deleted it after giving about a days warning and reasons. Regardless of how rude you're treated, I think you still owe the community at large at the least a warning. It can be very disconcerting. Heh. Remember when Advent completely changed the name of some thread or another? I didn't catch on to that one for days.
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