"The state of the union is strong. There's some vague trouble on the horizon, but I've got the perfect plan for dealing with it. There won't even be any real sacrifice involved in solving the (minor) trouble on the horizon!"
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From the looks of things, there'll be the usual chatter about Iraq (rerun), and then he'll wade into Congressional ear marks. I'm actually interested to see what he has to say, and to see how he will blame Democrats for it when half the earmarks come from Republicans, and Republicans never did a thing about it when they were in charge for a decade and a half. That'll be interesting.
But if he has a way of putting a stop to it, I'm all for it. Some part of me is just expecting a partisan slam, but, if he can really cut that crap out, I'll wholeheartedly endorse his efforts.
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I'm off to go bowling, but before I leave I recommend everyone watch Kathlee Sibellius' Democratic response to Bush.
Sibellius is being talked about very seriously as a potential VP candidate. I'll get into it more later, but she's very popular in that regard.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: That's a bad spoiler.
"The state of the union is strong. There's some specific problem I will describe vaguely to cover my butt on the horizon, but I've got the perfect plan for dealing with it. There will definitely be real sacrifice involved in solving the trouble on the horizon , but I leave it as an exercise to the listener as to who those people will be... Hint: not me.!"
EDIT: Fixed that for you, Rakeesh. What you were describing is a hypothetical Democratic presidential State of the Union.
quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I'm off to go bowling, but before I leave I recommend everyone watch Kathlee Sibellius' Democratic response to Bush.
Sibellius is being talked about very seriously as a potential VP candidate. I'll get into it more later, but she's very popular in that regard.
I kind of doubt that Ron Paul would pick her for a VP, but if you say so...
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If there was ever a sign how little in contrast the two parties usually stand, Bok:)
Because without exception, serious problems are posed as solveable with minimal sacrifice. When was the last time you heard a politician say, "This specific problem is serious, and to solve it there will be some serious sacrifice." Certainly never hear that talk from either the Fingerlickins or Tastycrats.
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(I should note: ya'll spelled her name wrong! No worries, the last name of Sebelius was fairly well known where I come from.)
Honestly, it's about the only reason I'd have to watch the State of the Union. I hope someone posts the video of Sebelius's response. I'd love to watch it without having to listen to the actual State of the Union speech itself.
Minus the political BS the Republicans spout, she's been a good governor. Sure, there were a couple of minor political guffaws, but again, I think they were overblown for their significance. If I had to choose a phrase to describe her, I'd say, "Even-keel". It's exactly what Kansas needed after the disaster called Bill Graves.
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www.aolnews.com (my homepage, for some reason) is so blatantly biased -- the headline today: "This'll be the last time he does this."
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(I get a slight kick out of how Clinton's favorite word was apparenly "families" and Dubya's was "terrorists." )
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I'm off to go bowling, but before I leave I recommend everyone watch Kathlee Sibellius' Democratic response to Bush.
Sibellius is being talked about very seriously as a potential VP candidate. I'll get into it more later, but she's very popular in that regard.
I kind of doubt that Ron Paul would pick her for a VP, but if you say so...
Sorry, I thought it was inherent when I said Democratic response but, she's being talked about as a VP for a potential Democratic presidential candidate.
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He always looks like he's pretending. I find the constant pauses for applause cheesy. I wish I could replace them with a laugh track.
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Am I the only one who thinks Nancy Pelosi looks bored whilst reading something during the speech. I mean sure, he's not a dynamic public speaker, but wow. Between that the the fact that Cheney looks like he's sleeping with his eyes open, you'd think they could get two people to sit in the background who were less, well, disinterested.
Icarus -
lol, nice. I agree entirely.
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I'm thus far unimpressed with Sebelius. She has not been able to capture and maintain my attention. I do, however, appreciate her message of working together across the aisles.
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I liked the Democratic response. She didn't take the opportunity to slam Republicans which she easily could have done, or really to play partisan politics at all.
I'm mixed on her tone. She didn't sound rancorous at all, hell, her muted tone of voice nearly put me to sleep. But I think calm is better than overly animated, if I had to choose.
She's being talked about a lot as a Democratic VP possibility. She's a Democratic governor in a dramatically Republican state, a state that Bush won by 20 points in 2004, and yet she's been governor for I think 6 years. She took over when the Kansas economy was not doing well, and when the courts actually ordered her to spend more on education when their budget was in the worst shape since the 30's, and she managed to do all that, balance the budget and grow jobs all at the same time. She did so well, that Republicans during the last election said she did TOO WELL, and that Democrats might tap her to be the VP, so they shouldn't vote for her because she wouldn't finish her second term.
A Democratic governor from the heartland where Democrats traditionally get spanked but who is wildly popular is a damned smart move for Democrats. I think some will give pause at the idea of a black guy and a white woman being the P and VP candidates, but, I think she is an amazing plus for the ticket. If I had to choose between her and Clinton as a woman VP, I'd pick Sebelius first every time. Obama/Sebelius could be an amazing ticket.
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I was impressed with her message. I did think that she was almost oddly inanimate, but I liked what she had to say.
I didn't listen all that closely to the President, but it seemed to me that he just rehashed old State of the Union addresses. Did he copied his old homework.
And the Iran stuff was eerily familiar.
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This kind of thing--I dunno how I feel about it. I'm going to be voting for the first time this year, and I'm suddenly no longer passionate about politics. I guess I got burnt out on politics in high school.
A part of me is still very hopeful and idealistic about politics. A part of me thinks that maybe, just maybe, there could be a change in the way things are. But it seems like everyone else out there is a cynic, and my own observations tend to be that nothing ever really changes.
And I just can't bring myself to feel anything anymore about politics.
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quote:Originally posted by Icarus: That's really cool, j_k!
(I get a slight kick out of how Clinton's favorite word was apparently "families" and Dubya's was "terrorists." )
Actually, I think Clinton's second-favorite word was "families"; the favorite looks to have been "economy/economic" (which is certainly consistent with my memory of his presidency).
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quote:Originally posted by Lyrhawn: I'm off to go bowling, but before I leave I recommend everyone watch Kathlee Sibellius' Democratic response to Bush.
Sibellius is being talked about very seriously as a potential VP candidate. I'll get into it more later, but she's very popular in that regard.
I kind of doubt that Ron Paul would pick her for a VP, but if you say so...
Sorry, I thought it was inherent when I said Democratic response but, she's being talked about as a VP for a potential Democratic presidential candidate.
I was kind of kidding. Sorry.
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Can anybody link me to a transcript of the address? I'm in the UK, so I wasn't able to watch it, but I want to see what kind of stuff Dubya talked about. Thanks!
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Overall, I liked what Sebelius had to say, though her tone put my father to sleep. I was iffy on the "join us" parts; they sounded like a mix of a movie villain's monologue and a teen trying to get some friend into abusing drugs. But that's just my experience with the usage of the phrase "join us." But I do think the wording could have been less partisan; "join us" and "let's work together" are entirely different, and from what she was saying elsewhere it seems that the message she wanted to convey was the latter.
In addition, NBC interviewed Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama right after Sebelius responded. I was completely unimpressed by Clinton. Her message was one that essentially said "thank the Lord this president is never going to do this again; Democrats are so much better than him," which was really irritating considering Bush was visibly trying to push a more bipartisan agenda in the Address. When they got to Obama, of course, Brian Williams had to stray from the topic and make the interview completely about Ted Kennedy's new endorsement. I was overall satisfied with Obama's response. He is not depending on Kennedy's endorsement, though welcomes it and makes use of it. He wishes to represent a broader platform than that which Kennedy represents, but nevertheless inclusive of him and his adherents. Echoing the words of the current President, he wants Congress and the White House to work together.
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I watched on CNN and after the debate they said that Obama, Clinton, Romney, and McCain would be interviewed. Clinton decided not to and CNN made a point of it a couple of times saying that Clinton initially agreed to the interview but pulled out at the last minute without explanation.
McCain was VERY defensive and appeared to me to be a bitter, angry, old man... especially when Cooper said that his accusations were not the regular "straight talk express". McCain said about 7 times, "It is straight talk" in a cranky voice, not letting Cooper follow up. I will be interested to hear his speach tonight if he ends up losing to Romney.
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I don't think Bush was trying to be more bipartisan. Specifically, making veiled references to a healthcare system where Congress makes medical decisions for you instead of your doctor, which describes no system that I've ever heard anyone propose yet is commonly used to describe Democratic plans. That's not bipartisan, it's extremely partisan.
Some of his stuff was less partisan, like when he talked about an immigration plan, which his Republicans sunk, not Democrats. But I didn't get warm fuzzies from the speech.
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