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Yeah. I hope I haven't duplicated a topic. I used the search function and didn't find anything so I don't think I did.
This means that my dad can finally go buy the player he's been wanting. He's been holding out until he knew for sure who was winning the format or until the price of those players that would play both formats dropped.
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BUY A PLAYSTATION III!!!!
Seriously tell him to do so. Its a Blu Ray playr that is not only cheaper then most blu ray players it is also a first rate gaming machine, and you can install Linux on it.
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No. Dad never plays any video games and he won't use Linux. Plus, if the PS3 is anything like the PS2 you really shouldn't watch DVDs on it. On the PS2 using the system to watch DVDs wore out the motor faster.
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I've exclusively watched DVD's on my playstation 2 bakc in the day, stopping only when my VCR broke forcing me to go to my desktop. I have the very first generation first production line model of PS2's it has never broken and gosh darn I abused it and has against all odds remained strong. Although it was hard to make FF11 compatible.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: ...Downloading!
Fixed that for you.
Blu-Ray will never have the sales that DVDs have. By the time everyone can actually afford the freakishly expensive Blu-Ray players, and the expensive HDTVs that make the players worth having at all, download speeds will have doubled or tripled, we'll all be downloading movies for a hell of a lot less money, and we'll have cheap digital storage to save those movies too. Maybe we'll eventually buy blank Blu Ray discs and burners when the price really comes down to burn the movies we downloaded onto, and maybe just for the safety of having a hard disc we'll get them some day, but hard discs for saving and storing content are on the way out in many ways.
This is a fight being waged only between megacorporations and the uber wealthy who can run out and buy $4000 super high def big TVs and $600 content players.
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Until movie downloads can compete with HD format and include surround sound they won't beat DVD sales. I checked Best Buy today and they have several Blu-ray players for under $400. While this seems like a lot, keep in mind that only a few years ago, DVD recorders cost upwards of $600. The price of technology drops quickly.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: Until movie downloads can compete with HD format and include surround sound they won't beat DVD sales. I checked Best Buy today and they have several Blu-ray players for under $400. While this seems like a lot, keep in mind that only a few years ago, DVD recorders cost upwards of $600. The price of technology drops quickly.
Soon, soon, soon. It'll be soon. The problem isn't in making HD quality movies downloadable, it's in having download speeds that mean it won't take three days to download it, and we're quickly approaching that. I know the TVs and the players are going to drop quickly, or at least, somewhat quickly, in price, but I still think between the utter dominance of DVD, and the speed with which downloads are gaining traction, that Blu-Ray will take a lot time to overtake DVD, and even when it does, the title it'll hold won't be worth as much.
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In a somewhat related issue, I am absolutely loving my brand new MacBook! Woohoo! I will never own a PC again.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: In a somewhat related issue, I am absolutely loving my brand new MacBook! Woohoo! I will never own a PC again.
Where do you live!? I will pour Kerosene on you and light you on FIRE for such words.
Getting a Mac is like cutting off your own genitals.
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I'm just waiting for the day I can download movies and programs to my TV and music to my I-Pod from the same source, have the viewing portals be interchangeable, and have it all cheap.
But by then everything will be done on one computer console.
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I've never owned a mac, and really haven't used one since elementary school. But I'll admit that the new Macbook Air the uber uber thin one...that's damned cool looking. I like the backlit keys, the size, the weight, the portability. Of course that means nothing if functionality suffers, but if anything would give me reason to give them a try, it's that thing. I'm not sure when it comes out or what it costs though, that could be a deal breaker.
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If you want the air you also pretty much have to have a desktop or have access to one. There are no drives on the air at all. It's not big enough to have one. But my regular old macbook has a DVD RW drive on it and it's way easier to use than a pc. Never mind that I don't have constant windows updates to contend with. Plus, as a music person, the best music software was originally made for the mac and still runs better on mac systems. Not to mention that I'm going to be able to keep all my peripherals and probably won't have to change much of my software at all. However, I'm not a gamer, and that does make a difference.
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quote:Originally posted by Bokonon:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
quote:Originally posted by andi330: In a somewhat related issue, I am absolutely loving my brand new MacBook! Woohoo! I will never own a PC again.
Where do you live!? I will pour Kerosene on you and light you on FIRE for such words.
Getting a Mac is like cutting off your own genitals.
Dude, bootcamp.
*Soon to be MacBook Pro owner here*
-Bok
Games are very rarely made for macs, to buy a computer that cannot run games is akin to cutting off your link to the gene pool.
I award you your Darwin Award of Computers.
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
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The Mac might be made for people who don't want to play games on their computer. You know, the "adult" sector of the market.
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If I were a big PC gamer Blayne, that might worry me. (Nevermind that if that were the case, you can load windows on to a mac.) However, I only ever play casual games on my computer, of which there are many made for mac, so I don't have to worry about that stuff.
Remember, the world will not end if you aren't able to play the newest version of World of Warcraft on your computer.
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Ok dude, if you're a gamer enjoy your PC. I however, am not a gamer, and I prefer macs. I have finally escaped the world of PC, and I am never going back.
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Seriously Blayne, you're talking about one minor function of a computer, and since windows actually runs faster on a mac, it's a moot point. Macs are better suited for any task from casual to semi-professional levels, with the majority of required software being included without extra cost. PCs certainly have their functionality and a major cost benefit.
However to say that Macs are analogous to castration because many games don't run natively on Leopard is ridiculous hyperbole. Besides, I'd think you'd be more of a fan of Macs, which looks pretty familiar to most OSX users, like a cardboard cutout of a celebrity.
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I can't explain that. Someone who wants to buy a Mac and does the research knows that it won't play many games. Should that person choose to buy a Mac, then that person clearly is not interested in a lot of gaming.
What I wrote was sarcastic and contemptouos. I'm sorry. My opinion is if I were to spend much time gaming on a computer, it would be time wasted.* Playing games on a computer is what you do with your time, Blayne, and it doesn't concern me.
*The time I have spent in the forum tonight isn't the same thing. It's been an unusually productive day.
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quote:Originally posted by andi330: Whatever Blayne. My Mac is brilliant.
Blayne's a fanboy. When he decides he likes something (China, PlayStation, Windows), it becomes the greatest thing of its kind and partisans of any other thing of that kind become the equivalent of heretics.
Since Macs and PCs are now hardware-compatible, Blayne's opinion on Apple hardware is irrelevant. On the software side, OS X ships with both emacs and vim, so according to his last thread on that particular subject, he should have nothing to complain about.
The overwhelming majority of computers in people's homes today can't run any of the games he mentioned. A non-gamer is hardly "cutting off their genitals" by choosing a Mac or a PC over the other. Further, games in the category he's talking about -- that is, the blockbuster segment -- are played on consoles like his beloved PS3 to a much greater extent than PCs. Call of Duty 4 is a good example; Crysis barely runs even on top-of-the-line PC gaming rigs and The Witcher is a niche title.
If he was looking for an example of a mature title that came out in 2007 and succeeded in the market as a way of showing that gaming isn't just for kids anymore, I think BioShock would have been a better choice. Of course, as with CoD4, BioShock sold many more copies on consoles than it did on the PC.
A note about the PS3: the PS3 was widely regarded as the best Blu-ray player on the market for a fair while. I'm not sure if that's still true since I haven't been keeping up, but if you're interested in a Blu-ray player it's worth checking out the AVS Forums for some insight into what's the best bang for buck these days. The PS3 is probably at least still a respectable contender in that regard.
Finally, Blayne apparently didn't experience the notorious "disc read error" issue that a lot of PS2 owners (myself included) experienced, however. The PS2 was not exactly renowned for its reliability.
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World of Warcraft for a game that is as good as Mumorpugers are ever going to get is just samey-same stuff and is suffering a demographic crisis now that newer players have basically no one near theyre level to group with. So unless its free I won't play it.
What I want is basically Neverwinter Nights as a Mumorpuger, you know, the whole 3.5/4.0 Edition D&D engine nearly perfectly, I can understand not having perfectly working "animate rope" but come on flying, spellcasting, crafting, stealthing around hitman style, role playing boat building, flying, farming, mining, castling, making mighty player driven dwarven stronghold while yes is hard to implement but entirely possible and would be easier to implement using procederal programming but then again I'm going on a tangent/rant.
Mac's suck period. Installing Windows on it is counter productive and I've only heard bad things about it they're more expensive per unit compared to equivalent PC's, overhyped by the Mctards, cannot play mainstream games so yes it is akin to cutting your gonads off getting on as everything a Mac does can be done, has been done and will be done better on a equivalent PC if you know what your doing. But then again this whole PC vs Mac malarkey is ultimately futile as the best system ever is the Playstation 3 since you can put Linux on it and its only a matter of time before its drivers are fully working and as such using Wine can install most Windows games or at least play the Game on the console itself as the general trend is that the PC gaming industry is dying due to piracy and the console market is thriving.
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Blayne, seriously, I like Zero Punctuation, too. It's possible to like something without attempting to slavishly mimic it, though.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ... is the Playstation 3 since you can put Linux on it and its only a matter of time before its drivers are fully working and as such using Wine can install most Windows games
I'm fairly certain that Wine isn't going to help you play games on a completely different architecture. Once you move off of x86, you need to emulate not only the OS APIs, but the hardware as well.
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I'm not slavishly mimicing it, I'm borrowing catch phrases "Mumorpuger" and adopting a more reviewer-oriented style focusing more on the faults of a game/story/movie rather then its necessarily good points, I see something that works and as such I try to borrow some good parts to improve myself and my own style, everything has already been said and done, originally is hard to come by and even harder to do well as South Park creators Matt/Trey had found out (they try to make a story only to see it already done on the Simpson's).
And I've always had a British turn of phrase before I ever saw Zero Punctuation, Since I'm Anglo-Canadian and loyal to Queen and Country.
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Just to clear up a misconception that appears to have sprung up in this thread, World of WarCraft and all of its expansion content are available for Mac OS X and support both the PowerPC and Intel platforms.
quote:Mac's suck period.
Wow, way to overwhelm us with your logic, there. Your only anti-Mac bullet point is hardcore gaming, which you yourself acknowledge is being rendered increasingly less relevant by consoles.
Of course, your argument for that growing irrelevance -- Windows gaming through Wine under Linux on a PS3 -- is totally absurd. Console gaming is taking over because people are buying consoles and games for their consoles, not because they're installing alternative operating systems on them and then somehow hacking those systems to magically emulate completely different hardware (different ISA, OOOE vs no OOOE, et cetera) so that they can play Windows games on them.
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quote:Originally posted by ricree101:
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ... is the Playstation 3 since you can put Linux on it and its only a matter of time before its drivers are fully working and as such using Wine can install most Windows games
I'm fairly certain that Wine isn't going to help you play games on a completely different architecture. Once you move off of x86, you need to emulate not only the OS APIs, but the hardware as well.
As I said, drivers, right now Wine doesn't work right because there's no drivers for the cell processors, but when theyre are drivers... *drugged out bliss*
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No, dude, as one of my university professors once wrote on a marked midterm, "you have a fundamental misunderstanding of major concepts."
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quote:Originally posted by twinky: Just to clear up a misconception that appears to have sprung up in this thread, World of WarCraft and all of its expansion content are available for Mac OS X and support both the PowerPC and Intel platforms.
quote:Mac's suck period.
Wow, way to overwhelm us with your logic, there. Your only anti-Mac bullet point is hardcore gaming, which you yourself acknowledge is being rendered increasingly less relevant by consoles.
Of course, your argument for that growing irrelevance -- Windows gaming through Wine under Linux on a PS3 -- is totally absurd. Console gaming is taking over because people are buying consoles and games for their consoles, not because they're installing alternative operating systems on them and then somehow hacking those systems to magically emulate completely different hardware (different ISA, OOOE vs no OOOE, et cetera) so that they can play Windows games on them.
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Blayne, are You aware that they tried linux on the PS2 as well? It bombed. Terribly. There's also a linux distro that can be used on the GC.
There is linux for just about everything. I agree, Linux is great, but it's not for everyone. I know a lot of people who enjoy Macs. They aren't exactly my cup of tea, but who am I to say what's right and what's wrong? Windows isn't my favorite either, but I use it for compatibility issues. That and most software is easier to run on a Windows machine, IMO.
There are reasons that there are 2 mainstream OSs and hundreds of smaller ones. Different people like different things. We shouldn't assume that just because we think something it is automatically absolute truth.
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Dude, Blayne, as far as I can tell, you didn't have a point.
You made a bunch of individual statements that don't appear to be linked together in any kind of logical way. I simply addressed some of those statements.
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Blayne, as far as windows games on the PS3 goes, here's the bottom line. The binaries are completely incompatible with the PS3. The instruction formats are completely different, and the hardware is organized along completely different lines, among other problems. This can be worked around if you are willing to completely and totally emulate the target platform, but that isn't what Wine is. Wine works because the windows games are going to be played on the same x86 hardware that you'd be playing them on if you had windows.
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quote:Originally posted by twinky: Dude, Blayne, as far as I can tell, you didn't have a point.
You made a bunch of individual statements that don't appear to be linked together in any kind of logical way. I simply addressed some of those statements.
Amen.
Blayne, you often wonder why people don't like or respect you. Loudly and often.
Most of the time it is because you act like this.....a 5 year old with ADD problems.
It is completely possible, even probable, that you will never, ever get any respect until you give others the same. It is completely possible to like both macs and PC's without referencing gonads. It is possible to disagree with someone, even in an argument that really doesn't mean anything (like the PC vs Mac crap) without being a putz.
You should try it sometime. You might see a difference in how you are treated, and how often people actually engage you rather than wishing for an ignore user feature.
Or perhaps not. Either way, it would still make for a more pleasant environment.
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"It is completely possible to like both macs and PC's without referencing gonads."
See, I thought so too, you know? I mean, what does my choice of computer have to do with becoming a eunuch? I...whatever.
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I swear that the writer for XKCD reads Hatrack.
quote:Originally posted by andi330: If you want the air you also pretty much have to have a desktop or have access to one. There are no drives on the air at all. It's not big enough to have one. But my regular old macbook has a DVD RW drive on it and it's way easier to use than a pc. Never mind that I don't have constant windows updates to contend with. Plus, as a music person, the best music software was originally made for the mac and still runs better on mac systems. Not to mention that I'm going to be able to keep all my peripherals and probably won't have to change much of my software at all. However, I'm not a gamer, and that does make a difference.
I've read a couple reviews that say the remote drive access on the air works pretty good, but I can't imagine it'd work for games, but then, if I were to ever buy an Air, it wouldn't be for gaming. The laptop I'm on right now plays games fairly well, and I could get a gaming desktop for less than what the Air costs. I'd get the Air for portability, to be able to take it anywhere, which it's low weight, backlit keys, and impressive battery life, would really be helpful for. The built in camera is nice too, but ultimately not a selling point for me. If I bought the Air it'd be to take to class with me, for notes, for office type stuff, and for some minor web browsing. I wouldn't really need a lot of the power behind it. I wish they'd make a stripped down version with less memory, less speed, less everything for people who want the weight/battery life element of the Air but don't need all the fancy doodads on it.
What's the word processing software like on a Mac? I've used MS Works or MS Word my entire life, and I love Word.
It'll be several years before I buy another laptop. I expect this one to get me through at least college and beyond that for a few years before I have to get another one, I'll be getting a PC desk top somewhere in there probably. But hopefully by the time I do get another laptop, either PCs will have matched Mac's design prowess, or the Mac will come down in price enough for me to attempt a stab at it. The Air is the only product that has ever tempted me to get a Mac before. That and I'd be able to use it for the iPod Shuffle I won at work the other night. I haven't even taken it out of the box yet, I already have a Sansa which I love dearly, and much as I dislike the newest Windows Media Player, I don't like iTunes either, and don't want to download it.
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I played with a Macbook Air at Best Buy and had to be dragged away. If I hadn't bought a macbook last spring, I would have got the Air.
I think Lyr is dead-on about downloading becoming the norm. Just in the past 6 months, it's become standard among almost all the people I know to download or stream "last night's episode of" whatever show on TV. Netflix-style rentals will continue to be popular, I think, but downloading movies, games--everything--seems to be the way things are going.
Also, Lyr, a lot of people use MS Office for Macs--possibly more than the apple-versions of Office's suite.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but downloads are never going to be my primary source of movie purchases so long as DRM is involved. I'll likely consider downloaded rentals, but I really don't like the idea of depending on someone else's server being up in order to watch my movies.
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DRM will continue to be a hotly contested issue until studios of the music, tv and movie industry get a handle on how the consumers are reacing and how to work it so they can keep hold of something resembling a profit margin. What few songs I download these days, I buy individually off Amazon, and they are DRM free, otherwise I doubt I'd buy them. Their episodes are DRM free as well I believe. I rarely buy a full album of anything anymore.
I suspect consumer backlash will eventually kill DRM. Right now it's far too easy to download illegally and just bypass the studios entirely. They're going to make a lot more money in the longrun offering HD downloads at high speeds and charging less with no DRM, than they will overcharging with restrictions. It just might take awhile for that to really get through to them, they don't learn quickly.
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The invisible hand of the market has spoken! -- Colbert.
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In the meantime- Sony's victory in the HD arena isn't exactly a victory for consumers who are less than fond of DRM. From the paranoid b------- who brought you XCP...
As far as Macintoshes go, they're great for some things. I have a friend who does his photo and graphics design work on one, and it's a thing of beauty. I wouldn't personally go Mac largely because I have some lingering resentments from a couple of years of having to work on a slow, crash-pone one that had a tendency to tell me such delightful things as that I didn't have enough memory available to check how much memory I had available. But I've heard many glowing reviews of Mac OS X and beyond.
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