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Samprimary
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Hey, good news to all you fans of hyperaugmented, overpowered, gamebreaking wrenches!* BIOSHOCK II: SEA OF DREAMS is now effectively announced!

*due to game balance issues, hyperaugmented overpowered gamebreaking wrench may not appear in Bioshock II.

Here's the scoop: The recently released PS3 version of Bioshock, when beaten, unlocks a trailer. The trailer video captures out right now are all poor quality and tend to disappear swiftly so I won't link to one just yet. If you find a stable good-quality vid, go ahead and drop it in here.

In it, a former lil' sister, now somewhat adolescent, stands at the atlantic coast, silently pining for everyone's favorite art deco underwater libertarian utopia turned carnival of horrors. Evidently everyone who chose the harvest path got a complimentary retcon! Weird stuff happens! Then title screen! Bioshock 2: Bioshock Harder is Bioshock with more barnacles. And a butterfly.

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The gameplay was good enough that I'd like to revisit it, but I'm concerned about the story without Ken Levine's involvement and/or knowing who's writing it (and what else they've written).
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Mr. Levine's involvement has been confirmed, though questions remain as to how involved he can be with his other present duties to attend to!
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I can see why they'd want to revisit the mechanics; I'm not sure there's a good reason to revisit the setting. We'll see.

Everyone who chose the "harvest" path deserves a complimentary retcon, the fiends.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sterling:
I can see why they'd want to revisit the mechanics; I'm not sure there's a good reason to revisit the setting.

I am actually of the opposite viewpoints. The mechanics need to be changed back to the System Shock II standard and not be oversimplified console-style, and the game definitely needs a much, much higher variety of challenges and enemies.

But Rapture is tight so why not do it down there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
I am actually of the opposite viewpoints. The mechanics need to be changed back to the System Shock II standard and not be oversimplified console-style, and the game definitely needs a much, much higher variety of challenges and enemies.

But Rapture is tight so why not do it down there.

Ah, because the people most responsible for its creation are dead, the research/power-related reasons for returning have largely dissipated or escaped, and the place appears to be ready to collapse under the weight of the ocean at any moment?

It's a compelling setting, no question- but I'd need to see a compelling why for a return.

And frankly, while I had minor problems with BS's interface (I think it would have done much better with an Undying style "left button weapons, right button spells" scheme) System Shock 2's wasn't anything to crow about. And the "hacking" system in SS2 was awful. At least Bioshock's actually requires skill rather than just luck and a constant stream of money.

I agree that I'd like to see more variety in enemies; hopefully, if they started the player with the abilities that he gained gradually in Bioshock (at least as far as inventions, melting ice, hacking, and so forth, not necessarily the plasmids) they'd be able to come up with new and interesting things for the player to discover and do with his abilities. (A greater interfacing with Rapture as a united system and attempting to repair its failing extremities might be interesting...?)

EDIT to ADD: Gamespy has an "offscreen" video of the trailer here; hopefully, as a big mama-jamma game site, they have the clout or permission to keep it up.

[ October 16, 2008, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Sterling ]

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System Shock II's hacking interface made the for a significant element of risk associated with/buttressed by actual hacking capacity.

Bioshock's system, once you get the hang of it, is pretty much instawin for any circumstance where the hacking interface hasn't randomly generated an unsolvable grid.

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And once you can afford to keep yourself maxed out with autohack tools, you can remove the "pretty much" and the qualifier.
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Risk without promise of significant reward. Bioshock's hacking gets dull, I grant you, but at least it doesn't slap you for succeeding and perservering.

I think there's room for improvement in Bioshock's systems, but moving back to SS2's would be a downgrade.

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I don't really think so, given that SS2 had an inventory and it made the whole survival horror part more intense : )
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Bioshock had an inventory, too- it was just hard to access and understand outside of weapons and plasmids.

All right, yes, inventory-wise, point to SS2.

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BioShock isn't a survival horror game.

If you want that, play Dead Space, which is presently freaking me right the hell out.

What's Levine up to now?

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*coff* *cof* i r miss bioshock idiot sold mii disssk [Cry] WAHHHHHHHHH i r wan bioshock now i b sad
o for mi bihtday ima hav a lan party now i happy [Smile]

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wen is it comin owt
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