FacebookTwitter
Hatrack River Forum   
my profile login | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hatrack River Forum » Active Forums » Books, Films, Food and Culture » Childhood diseases treatable by antibiotics

   
Author Topic: Childhood diseases treatable by antibiotics
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
I'm doing a bit of research for a story; I'd like to know four or five diseases that meet these criteria:

  • Fairly high death rate
  • Mainly hit children
  • Treatable by simple antibiotics.

Most of the famous diseases I know the names of tend to be viral, prevented by vaccines rather than cured by medicine, or both. Anyone know what diseases penicillin helped so much with?

Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
scifibum
Member
Member # 7625

 - posted      Profile for scifibum   Email scifibum         Edit/Delete Post 
Lots of stuff about Strep bacteria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streptococcus

Posts: 4287 | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ricree101
Member
Member # 7749

 - posted      Profile for ricree101   Email ricree101         Edit/Delete Post 
Wouldn't the reason that most "childhood diseases" primarily hit children be due to the fact that adults have already built up immunity to the virus. I can't really think of any bacterial diseases that wouldn't also hit adults.
Posts: 2437 | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Samprimary
Member
Member # 8561

 - posted      Profile for Samprimary   Email Samprimary         Edit/Delete Post 
I think 'mainly hit children' may be an artificial constraint. The diseases are rarely very discriminatory, it's just that they're more likely to kill you if they catch you as a kid. True with the virals, too. In the case of what penicillin and other antibiotics helped with (once we figured out how to manufacture them) in terms of preventing child mortality, there's meningitis, pneumonia and septicaemia.
Posts: 15421 | Registered: Aug 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
Ok, it doesn't have to be children specifically. Was meningitis a big killer?
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
breyerchic04
Member
Member # 6423

 - posted      Profile for breyerchic04   Email breyerchic04         Edit/Delete Post 
I think ricree is right.
Posts: 5362 | Registered: Apr 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
scifibum
Member
Member # 7625

 - posted      Profile for scifibum   Email scifibum         Edit/Delete Post 
This document might help a little, although it's pretty general.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/lead1900_98.pdf

This journal article looks like a good place to look for references that will detail actual causes of death historically, if you can access the full text through your school:

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=667F3FD521A6753B6D4423862F3E0FBA.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=35597

Once you find a good (detailed) list of historical causes of death it should be pretty simple to cross reference that against a list of things penicillin treats.

Posts: 4287 | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks. Looks like pneumonia is my best bet.
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ClaudiaTherese
Member
Member # 923

 - posted      Profile for ClaudiaTherese           Edit/Delete Post 
If you are looking for four or five, you might want to consider tuberculosis.
Posts: 14017 | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
I had the impression tuberculosis didn't respond well to antibiotics? Or am I getting confused by modern resistant versions?
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ClaudiaTherese
Member
Member # 923

 - posted      Profile for ClaudiaTherese           Edit/Delete Post 
It is curable by antibiotics; it's just that the course of antibiotics is longer. No 7-10 day course of antibiotics, but more in the order of months. But they work(ed) just fine.

Given that you haven't said what exactly you want the disease to accomplish, this may or may not be relevant, but tuberculosis is known as one of the great mimickers. It can be hard to diagnose, since it is not only the lung disease (which we are most familiar with), but also can infect bone, liver, brain, all sorts of places. Pneumonia would be an easy diagnosis, but tuberculosis would be more difficult, up to perhaps almost undiagnosable in some forms.

Posts: 14017 | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ClaudiaTherese
Member
Member # 923

 - posted      Profile for ClaudiaTherese           Edit/Delete Post 
For reference as to burden of disease:

quote:
The beginning and the end of the 20th century were marked by great pandemics: influenza and AIDS. Medical journals do not describe any major tuberculosis (TB) pandemics in the 20th century. Yet TB likely was responsible for more deaths in the last 100 years than influenza and HIV combined. Steadily, insidiously, millions of people die from TB every year. Even under optimal TB control conditions, it is estimated that more than 50 million people will die from TB between 1998 and 2020. Under current TB control conditions, the number is closer to 70 million. It is long past time that the global community committed to a serious program to eliminate tuberculosis mortality. Such a program would require making treatment universally available, making prevention accessible to those in poor countries as well as affluent, addressing the interaction between HIV and TB, and setting serious verifiable goals. A global 5 x 7 initiative that calls for treating an additional 5 million active TB cases per year, and for screening up to five contacts of every TB case, by 2007 would offer an important beginning. With the sustained effort that comes from public commitment, TB can be changed from one of the most important causes of preventable death worldwide to a historical cause of death. Without this effort, TB will remain the silent, steady killer it has been for centuries. The rationale for action, potential and need for success are detailed in this article.


Long time due: reducing tuberculosis mortality in the 21st century.

And as to history (at this link, "chemotherapy" means treatment with chemicals: specifically, chemical antibiotics):

quote:
Success came in 1943. In test animals, streptomycin, purified from Streptomyces griseus, combined maximal inhibition of M. tuberculosis with relatively low toxicity. On November 20, 1944, the antibiotic was administered for the first time to a critically ill TB patient. The effect was almost immediately impressive. His advanced disease was visibly arrested, the bacteria disappeared from his sputum, and he made a rapid recovery. However, the new drug had side effects - especially on the inner ear - but the fact remained that, M. tuberculosis was no longer a bacteriological exception; it could be assailed and beaten into retreat within the human body.

A rapid succession of anti-TB drugs appeared in the following years. These were important because with streptomycin monotherapy (one drug treatment), resistant mutants began to appear with a few months, endangering the success of antibiotic therapy. However, it was soon demonstrated that this problem could be overcome with the combination of two or three drugs.

A History of Tuberculosis Treatment (New Jersey Medical School)



[ March 26, 2009, 07:57 PM: Message edited by: ClaudiaTherese ]

Posts: 14017 | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
ClaudiaTherese
Member
Member # 923

 - posted      Profile for ClaudiaTherese           Edit/Delete Post 
Other diseases that are vaccinated against in many children in this part of the world are still major killers elsewhere, but treatable by antibiotics, such as typhoid.

quote:
Antibiotics, such as ampicillin, chloramphenicol, trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, Amoxicillin and ciprofloxacin, have been commonly used to treat typhoid fever in developed countries. Prompt treatment of the disease with antibiotics reduces the case-fatality rate to approximately 1%.

When untreated, typhoid fever persists for three weeks to a month. Death occurs in between 10% and 30% of untreated cases.

---

Added: one of the most common bacterial causes of childhood death was sepsis, or bloodstream infection, which could be caused by any of a variety of bacteria -- spread from an infected cut, or spread from a urinary tract infection, and so on.

Posts: 14017 | Registered: May 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Kwea
Member
Member # 2199

 - posted      Profile for Kwea   Email Kwea         Edit/Delete Post 
Most don;t just pck out children, but the mortality rate is much greater among both ends of our lives....children and elders are hard hit by disease. Children are because their immune systems aren't fully developed yet, and elders because their immune systems are often compromised by long illnesses and the general decline of their bodies.

The flu epidemics would be PERFECT examples of this.

Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
The Pixiest
Member
Member # 1863

 - posted      Profile for The Pixiest   Email The Pixiest         Edit/Delete Post 
How about Scarlet Fever?
Posts: 7085 | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
Splendid, thanks. I think I have all I need. I'll post a link here to my new chapter when I publish it, although it likely won't make sense to those who haven't been reading from the start.
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
The Rabbit
Member
Member # 671

 - posted      Profile for The Rabbit   Email The Rabbit         Edit/Delete Post 
If you are looking for something dramatic, the Black Plague (bubonic, pneumonic and septicemic forms) is readily treatable with antibiotics.

It is also reported that in at least outbreaks of plague, children were disproportionately affected.

[ March 27, 2009, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: The Rabbit ]

Posts: 12591 | Registered: Jan 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
Good idea, but it won't work; the timeline my story is set in had a massive outbreak of modified Y. pestis a few hundred years ago, with casualties even worse than in our timeline. Immunity rates are correspondingly higher.
Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
aspectre
Member
Member # 2222

 - posted      Profile for aspectre           Edit/Delete Post 
http://books.google.com/books?id=6kkV5U6e4dsC&pg=PA155 onward should give you some ideas.
If I remember correctly...
Diphtheria, whooping cough, and typhoid had mortality rates of ~20% in children under five, though the rate of infection was more than twice as high for diphtheria than for either pertussis or (I think) typhoid.

Also implicated for high death rates among young children was contaminated milk.

[ March 27, 2009, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: aspectre ]

Posts: 8501 | Registered: Jul 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
scholarette
Member
Member # 11540

 - posted      Profile for scholarette           Edit/Delete Post 
Kim Robinson wrote an interesting book where he assumed that the plague killed like 99% of Europeans. He followed what the world would be like for several thousand years, through reincarnated characters.
Posts: 2223 | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
King of Men
Member
Member # 6684

 - posted      Profile for King of Men   Email King of Men         Edit/Delete Post 
I know, "Years of Rice and Salt." Excellent book.

Hmm. Afer consultations with my co-author, we've decided that anaphylactic shock rather than interfering with the function of antibiotics is going to be the mechanism, so I didn't need this information after all. But thanks anyway. [Smile]

Second edit: As promised, the story chapter. Scroll down to post 388.

[ March 27, 2009, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: King of Men ]

Posts: 10645 | Registered: Jul 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
theamazeeaz
Member
Member # 6970

 - posted      Profile for theamazeeaz   Email theamazeeaz         Edit/Delete Post 
Today, penicillin still cures syphilis. But that disease is for big kids.
Posts: 1757 | Registered: Oct 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
scholarette
Member
Member # 11540

 - posted      Profile for scholarette           Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Originally posted by theamazeeaz:
Today, penicillin still cures syphilis. But that disease is for big kids.

And the awesome thing about syphilis- penicillin will probably always kill it.
Posts: 2223 | Registered: Mar 2008  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
JennaDean
Member
Member # 8816

 - posted      Profile for JennaDean   Email JennaDean         Edit/Delete Post 
"the awesome thing about syphilis"

Not a phrase I ever thought I'd hear. [Smile]

Posts: 1522 | Registered: Nov 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

   Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Hatrack River Home Page

Copyright © 2008 Hatrack River Enterprises Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.


Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2