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Since no one has done it yet, I thought I would start up a thread for discussion of the latest Doctor Who special that aired last night on the BBC.
Being an intrepid Whovian, and since I live in the States, I managed to find it online last night and watched it eagerly. Has anyone else had a chance to see it yet?
I'll start with the simple observation that I have never been more disturbed by Tennant's Doctor than I was at the end of the special. And it was strange, because I went from feeling triumphant at first for this Doctor who had freed himself from constraint to suddenly scared at what he had become.
Which I have a feeling is what they were going for.
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AAAAA!!! I forgot yesterday! It was a big weekend, in my defense. It is downloading now and I can watch it when I get home tonight.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I'm actually crying a little. I feel like they gave me emotional whiplash.
Did anyone else think the light in the Doctor's helmet as he was walking away made his face look like a skull?
They broke him. They broke the Doctor.
Definitely a bit skull-like. Made me think back to the Library.
And I think the Doctor has been broken for a while now. Ever since the time war. Rose, Jack, Martha, Sarah Jane, Donna and even the Master have each helped him keep those pieces together. But now he's alone and falling apart.
Donna was right in 'The Bride'. The Doctor needs someone...now more than ever.
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: They broke him. They broke the Doctor.
Definitely a bit skull-like. Made me think back to the Library.
And I think the Doctor has been broken for a while now. Ever since the time war. Rose, Jack, Martha, Sarah Jane, Donna and even the Master have each helped him keep those pieces together. But now he's alone and falling apart.
I thought he was better. He said himself that after the Time War (when he was played by Chris Eccleston) he was full of fury. And that the half-Doctor who went off with Rose was a lot like that as well (who thinks he becomes the Valeyard, btw?). I just thought this one had found some peace. He's more tragic than the 5th Doctor.
quote:Originally posted by Javert: Donna was right in 'The Bride'. The Doctor needs someone...now more than ever.
Did you notice in the scenes from The End of Time that Donna is going to be in it?
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quote:Where can I download it?
A buddy of mine said he found it on YouTube, though I imagine it will be going on and coming off sporadically for a while. I found it by searching for it on sidereel.com
We've been asked not to say where, but if you e-mail me, I'll tell you where I got it.
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quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I thought he was better. He said himself that after the Time War (when he was played by Chris Eccleston) he was full of fury. And that the half-Doctor who went off with Rose was a lot like that as well (who thinks he becomes the Valeyard, btw?).
Interesting, but I doubt it... they've never done anything about the Valeyard since that 6th Doctor story; maybe someday they'll bring him up again (by the time of the 13th Doctor?), but I think the trend is to ignore the Valeyard.
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quote:Originally posted by plaid:
quote:Originally posted by Lisa: I thought he was better. He said himself that after the Time War (when he was played by Chris Eccleston) he was full of fury. And that the half-Doctor who went off with Rose was a lot like that as well (who thinks he becomes the Valeyard, btw?).
Interesting, but I doubt it... they've never done anything about the Valeyard since that 6th Doctor story; maybe someday they'll bring him up again (by the time of the 13th Doctor?), but I think the trend is to ignore the Valeyard.
There's been enough fan discussion about that it certaintly hasn't slipped the producers minds. They were deleted scenes and Word of God to the effect that the Half-Doctor was given a piece of the Tardis to grow his own making it a possibility, the problem lies that the Half-Doctor is Human to the extant he can't regenerate and the Valeyward is supposed to be the last incarnation.
It is however possibl they find a way around it but still.
I believe scuttlebut is that Donna's father becomes a sort of transitionary companion for the christmas special.
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Brrr. That was both scary and unsettling. When the Doctor came back, at first I thought he was going to figure out some clever circumvention of the rules. And then when he said "Water and electricity, BAD mix," with the crazy eyes, I realized, no, the man has snapped the tether; he's on the crazy train heading west.
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I find the low tech monsters some of the creepiest and best. I'm not that fond of these guys in particular but they are haunting. The Satan-possessed fellow, the statues, the library spacesuits, the gas mask kid... very effective.
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Though the daleks still make us grown men dive to the back of our couches... or we would if Moffat hadn't already made us pee our pants in face of what lay BEHIND the couches...
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: I believe scuttlebut is that Donna's father becomes a sort of transitionary companion for the christmas special.
Wilfred Mott, Donna's grandfather, will be the companion for Tennant's final two specials. So at the very least Donna will be seen. Whether or not she will interact with the Doctor, remember her past with him, or revert to The DoctorDonna remains to be seen.
I want to know how The Master succeeded in un-funeral pyre-ing himself.
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I want to know whether the Doctor's going to progress to full-on mad scene before he regenerates, because he seems to be heading in that direction.
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I don't know...it's been coming on for a while. It's not sudden, but he seems to be getting crazier, and not in a good way. I cringed when he went on that rant about being the time lord and time will obey him....WTF? So if you yell loudly enough then...what? He's supposed to be clever and eccentric, even a bit dangerous, but not rabid.
I keep hoping they're setting something up. I agree he needs a real companion. Martha was all right but The Doctor wouldn't allow himself to get close to her and Donna, though I did warm up to her after a bit, never had the right chemistry and at times she annoyed me. These lonely specials keep driving him further and further into insanity.
Maybe they've got some kind of point. There was something they seemed to be trying to set up in that library episode and I'm hoping this is all related and will turn out to be a good thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Javert: I want to know how The Master succeeded in un-funeral pyre-ing himself.
Remember how at the end of that episode there's an image of a finely manicured hand (probably The Master's wife) picking a wacky looking ring out of the ashes? I bet it has something to do with that.
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Could be the Hand of the Rani, word of god kinda jokingly suggested it so only with a grain of salt but still.
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quote:There was something they seemed to be trying to set up in that library episode and I'm hoping this is all related and will turn out to be a good thing.
not sure what you mean here, but the library episodes were written by Moffat, so anything being set up there will be followed up in the new series. RTD had nothing to do with them.
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quote:Donna, though I did warm up to her after a bit, never had the right chemistry and at times she annoyed me. These lonely specials keep driving him further and further into insanity.
I loved Donna. I think she was the best companion, when she wasn't being over the top obnoxious. She was the most mature. Martha had too much Doctor worship and Rose was too...budding. Rose was strong and great and did marvelous things, but she was more like a girl turning into a woman, which diminished her as an equal in my mind.
Rose seemed more like an unfinished photograph (to steal a Dr. Who metaphor).
I loved Donna. *I loved all the actresses and am only giving opinion on the fictional characters.*
Side note: I liked Jack as a companion and am excited that Donna's dad will be his next companion during this transition.
quote: I want to know how The Master succeeded in un-funeral pyre-ing himself.
I am guessing that the Master really isn't back. I think it would be too hard to bring him back in his old body without regeneration.
I bet that that next two episodes get more and more cerebral with the doctor plunging deeper into madness with The Master being a manifestation of where he is headed. At the end of the story he does whatever he needs to do to save the day and himself but dies as the 10th Doctor and regenerates as a shiny new 11th Doctor.
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Didn't RTD make a comment a while ago about wanting to return things back when he left the series like not wanting to mess with the canon too much. Makes me wonder about all the time lords returning.
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What if the thing that is pushing The Doctor over the edge isn't just his grief, but The Master himself? The Master was able to alter The Doctor's biochemistry with the use of his laser screwdriver...could he have also used it to implant a bit of himself inside The Doctor?
It would obviously be a retcon, and a nod to The Master's body-jumping ability in the horrible movie, but it just occurred to me so I wonder what anyone else thinks.
That being said, I think The Master is going to be shown to be real in one form or another, simply because of the changed hair.
quote:Remember how at the end of that episode there's an image of a finely manicured hand (probably The Master's wife) picking a wacky looking ring out of the ashes? I bet it has something to do with that.
I remember. But I'd like to know the details of his resurrection.
RTD said in the commentary that they called it "the hand of The Rani", not really intending it to be The Rani in any canon sense, but leaving it open for any future writers to bring back either The Master, The Rani, or both. Which is what we see happening in the next few specials.
And somewhere on the net I read the rumor that Gillian Anderson was being pursued to portray The Rani. But I'll believe that when I see it.
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