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I think she's fabulous. I thoroughly enjoy the music - it's perfect for the morning run. I think the videos are works of art, and I like the performance art. I bought The Fame Monster the day it came out. I wish her well.
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I do not find her impressive, just another supposedly risque female singing songs she didnt write through computer programs that make you pitch perfect. Its this recipe that is still responsible for Britney Spears, and she cant even perform as well as Gaga (who seems to simply dress scantilly in Picaso-esque clothing for artistic originality) I didnt think it was cute when Spears did it and Gaga will not trick me either. Why not Tegan and Sara? or The Pierces? women who can sing thier own hand written songs live and do so with a straight face, I have no appreciation for a trollip with lyrics like Kiss or hug you, 'cause I'm bluffin' With my muffin, I'm not lyin'.
I do not respect her, and I do not believe she expects to be respected acting like she does.
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Achilles, Lady Gaga went to the Tisch School of the Arts (the one from Fame) and had a career working as a song writer (ironically, one of the artists she wrote for was Britney Spears) before becoming a singer herself.
She's got a remarkable voice and musical abilities and is the primary composer for a lot of her songs. You may not like her music or her persona, but she's not just another studio created pop princess.
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It's hard for me to appreciate someone's voice when it's synthesized and auto-tuned up the wazoo. That said, she seems to be a competent performer, and some of her songs are catchy.
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Kinda rude that none of those back up dancers or MTV staff had the decency to let Lady Gaga know she'd forgotten to wear pants in her performance.
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(Also, she does write or co-write her own songs, AH. It's fair to dislike her style -- I'm not a big fan myself -- but she's not somebody else's product.)
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If she has so much potential why is so much of her public works centered around "kissing boys raises my self worth" and "look at my crotch, the small amount of cloth is only slightly legally admissable." Tori Amos is an artist, and I have never seen her vagina or nipples despite any amount of her music I have enjoyed, and yet I remember seeing Gaga's bits before I ever heard her music. Hell I didnt even know she was in music for the first three months that I saw her in the news.
And no, she is not a pop princess because she doesnt even have the class to attain such a title. When Mandy Moore first hit national coverage it was for a bubble gum sweet chomo bait of a song and video, she intelligently refuted the control of record companies willing to damn near put her on a corner if it would get them money and attained her own career based on her own abilities. What if Natalie Imbruglia had worn less clothing, or maybe Kylie Minogue had worn more in her return to international music in the nineties? would thier careers be the same today?. Gaga is currently the most astute representation that sex sells, I cannot dissagree, but it bothers me when gratuitous crotch shots are called art. Music is near and dear to me, from singing Tanya Tucker songs as a child with my mother to reciting the opening to a particular Snoop Dogg album in preschool when the teacher asked what I wanted to be when I grew up. All music has to be is honest, wether its complete nonsense (come together- The Beatles) real life tragedy (freshman- The Verve Pipe) because its entirely new and funny (piece of shit car- Adam Sandler) or maybe your life experiences through an unlikely filter (pitch dark- MC Frontalot) but a grown woman nearly molesting herself or having a male dancer do it for her onstage for attention is not music. I do not intend to refer to it as such, I have had this conversation in RL with a few people already, so I may be predispositioned even in a debate setting.
How the hell did I end up on the conservitive side of an argument? I may need to commit some lascivious acts to shake off the smell of morallity.
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Where did that go? I see nothing wrong with music about love and lust, but why did she go from songs about anticipating a lovers touch and smile to "bluffin with her muffin."
That big voice at the end of electric kiss deserves an MTV Music awards performance, until then Norah Jones has nothing to fear, neither does Regina Spektor.
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Her music doesn't do anything for me, but I respect her as a performer, and enjoyed the visuals in the one video of hers that I've seen (I can't get to youtube from work, so I have no idea whether it's the one linked to here or not).
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The link above is her with her natural hair, singing unaltered and playing the piano with no back up instruments. Instead of spreading her legs, and croaking into an auto-tune program.
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I'm sure if you compare her bank account now with what it was then, the answer seems pretty obvious. Nobody made hatrack threads about her then.
(Now I've never heard of her before this thread, but I'm somewhat out of the pop music loop these days.)
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Maybe ten years from now we'll all be listening to "Stefani Germanotta's favorite Christmas Carol's" no matter what she does now I'd rather hear her sing let it snow than Rod Stewart.
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Lady Gaga has mentioned several cool eighties bands as her influences, but I couldn't hear those influences in songs like "Just Dance." So I bought the album, and I've found that "Summer Boy" is my favorite track, and really has that eighties glam band feel to it. It's not much like the other songs on the album, and it makes me wonder how much of her creative expression was squashed in her big singles, before letting her write exactly what she wanted.
I could be wrong. She may love her dance singles as much as the others. They just don't sound like what I'd expect music influenced by Queen and David Bowie to sound like.
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Her work, Poker Face, is catchy, clever and provocative. While not amazing, it is on the upper tier of what you can expect from the hip-hop radio hit pool. And Just dance isn't that bad either.
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That video of her in the talent show is unfracking believable. It gave me cold shivers. Can we have that artist, please?
I want more exactly like that, with that feeling, and that intensity. Take away the glimmer and glam the died hair, the weird music videos, the stupid synthesizer, the backup band and just give her the piano. I'd buy every cd she made like that...
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Figured out who she reminds me of in that video. She reminds me of Amy Lee (of Evanescence) during the relatively rare occasions when she sits down at the piano sans her band.
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quote:Originally posted by katharina: Bad Romance is fantastic.
Is that the one you linked to on sake the other day? If so, that's the one that I've seen. I absolutely agree with you about the video, but the music didn't stick with me.
Of course, I almost always have to hear something a couple of times before I start to appreciate it, so all that really means is that it was in a style of music that I tend not to enjoy, and that I only heard it once.
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I switch the channel when her songs come on. They are too catchy, and not what I want my inner radio station playing for hours.
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Honestly, something about her viscerally gives me the creeps. She seems to have a sense of humor about herself, though (if her SNL performance is any indication), and there have certainly been worse pop acts foisted upon us in the last decade.
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I really hate the glam acts that she claims to have used as inspiration. David Bowie in particular gives me visceral creeps the way your talking about Sterling.
If I don't watch the videos and just listen the music I can enjoy it as much as I enjoy most other modern dance pop. Which is, when I'm drunk and looking to dance and not much beyond that.
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Her albums do absolutely nothing for me. Most of the studio versions of her songs are nothing but a bunch of Madonna/Annie/Saint Etienne knockoffs. The stripped down live performances of them are much better in my opinion.
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I hadn't seen anything of her except as a mad celebrity until this thread.
The first link, the stage show, I disagree without however thinks she's autotuned. Whether she's pre-recorded and messed with or not, she can clearly sing and sing in tune. She's no Britney Spears who can't sing very well at all.
The second link is someone who could really make a name for herself. Someone who can clearly sing. Someone with a small band, who could really make some music.
Unless it's an elaborate stunt, if this isn't an argument for the end of large record labels and overproduction, I don't know what is.
No wonder most modern music is boring. They take legitimate artists and turn them into people are essentially copies of people who are mostly talentless or a hodgepodge of unexciting talents (like Spears).
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Hmmm...I am gonna have to think about this for a while. She can sing, and I don't see anything wrong with dance music....I enjoy it when I am in the mood....but I don't see the need for all of the other stage persona crap.
I like her less now, after tracking about 8 videos and seeing who she has become. I think I'd rather meet the person she was in 2005 than the overblown persona she has become now.
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I really enjoyed that when she was in the Live Lounge. I heard it live, and the interview too. The cover was totally not what people were expecting. I'd never heard of her before, so when I heard the album version of Poker Face I was really surprised! In the interview, she basically said she enjoys dressing to shock and she picks all her own outfits. *shrug* If so, good for her.
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quote:Originally posted by Teshi: The second link is someone who could really make a name for herself. Someone who can clearly sing. Someone with a small band, who could really make some music.
Unless it's an elaborate stunt, if this isn't an argument for the end of large record labels and overproduction, I don't know what is.
Amen. Of her Lady Gaga stuff, the only one I like at all is Just Dance. And I'm not crazy about it.
Her pre-Gaga stuff is great.
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All I know about her is that her manager is in my ward. And she bought them the most annoying to install infant seat known to man and a very nice stroller as their baby gift.
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Holy cow, that cover of her doing Coldplay's Vida la Vida in the Live Lounge is incredible. A Coldplay song sung by Lady Gaga in the style of Regina Spektor!
What's even more telling is when she covers Poker Face.
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I like Lady Gaga's approach as an artist (reading her Wikipedia entry is something of a revelation). AchillesHeel, I don't know if this would make any difference for you, but Gaga's explicitly stated goal with her stage persona is a commentary on female sexuality and how women are perceived in modern culture. The music she made as Stefani Germanotta was different from the music she makes as Lady Gaga not because the record companies demanded it, but because it is a piece of performance art that she is putting on. "Elaborate stunt" is pretty close to an accurate description. Think of Lady Gaga, to some extent, as being similar to Stephen Colbert's television persona.
That being said, as interesting as I find Gaga's artistic ambitions and obvious intellect, her actual music leaves me cold. Dance pop just ain't my thing. Ridiculously catchy dance pop even less so, because not only do I have to deal with the usual head-throbbing I get from quarter note bass beats, but the melodies then irreversibly wrap themselves around my brain and squeeze.
Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
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quote:Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
Cheers, mate. May I offer some Gaelic Storm and Flogging Mollies to supplement?
To be fair, I actually kind of like the version of Poker Face she played in that video. It was... I dunno... not pop. I can't even really place it in a genre.
I'm just going to hope that she won't burn out. I'm just going to hope that she's just having her fun and making her point. That she'll eventually move beyond it to a point of making the truly beautiful music we now know she's capable of.
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It may be some kind of artistic attack on my sensory organs, but Im still not entirely convinced that her portrayal women in our society would intentionally include lyrics "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" and performing with a medium sized band-aid as panties. If it truely is all her, well then I await the day she abandons the character, especially after watching live performance video. She cant even reach Lady Gaga notes while dancing, let alone the Sefani notes she achieved on the piano bench.
quote: Oy. Time to wash out the insidiously earwormy "Poker Face" with some shouty Dropkick Murphys.
Cheers, mate. May I offer some Gaelic Storm and Flogging Mollies to supplement? [Big Grin]
Nice taste in music!
I think that Gaga is intending to shock, and that's really all. And she's certainly good at that. She can sing, she can dance... she's what pop stars look like these days. Adam Lambert seems on the road to being a male version of her (at least that's what he reminds me of). Personally, I'm not a huge fan, but it can be enjoyable in certain moods.
But to those who criticize her for being sexually provocative, I think that she's trying to say that women these days should be open about sex and sexuality. Whether or not you agree with it, she's trying to make a social comment and I admire her for at least having some kind of motivation behind her music, unlike so many 'artists' these days.
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I had a lot of free time this evening at work and watched numerous interviews on youtube. My favorite is by NoiseVox but it's over 40 minutes long and may not appeal to most people.
If you can't trust that what she is saying is what she believes, then you will probably never like her. I find her fascinating, well spoken, and confident. From what I've seen, she truly loves the clothes she wears. She needs no other excuse. I think she feels the same way about her music.
For anyone who doubts her singing capabilities, I suggest listening to the songs she performed on Ellen this week. Speechless is all on the piano with none of the pop stuff. Why think less of her because she enjoys creating both styles and continues to perform both styles?
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I didn;t say I disliked her, just that I questions why she does what she does.
I think she has a good voice, and I LIKE pop music so that doesn't bother me. I do think her choice in clothes is atrocious though, stage presence/performance or not.
I just think she can do better, and I hope she does in the future. Pop performers have a fairly short half-life, at least most of the time. I hope we get to see more of her as long as she doesn't limit herself to shock value.
As for myself, It also has nothing to do with her bisexuality, in case anyone was wondering. I could care less who sleeps with who (or which sex) as long as I enjoy their music. Posts: 15082 | Registered: Jul 2001
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My response wasn't directed to you in particular Kwea. More that people tend not to trust what performers say. And I'm glad you liked the link.
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I had just been reading about the flap about Adam Lambert and his performance at the AMA, and wanted to clarify that point lest someone think I simply disapproved of her sexuality (as he claims some people have).
I like her a LOT more now that I researched a bit, that's for sure. And anyone who buys pizza for her fans wins points, to be sure. Not for the pizza, but for thinking so much of them rather than just accepting the perks of fame and then ignoring them.
Or even worse, bitching about their fans, as so many performers do.
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