I a couple of weeks ago discovered thw webcomic "Megatokyo" by artist Fred Gallagher and thought it was the best webcomic (with a plot) I have ever read.
I also decided it could use a 8-Bit Theater Chaos sort of fandub project and decided to give it a try.
This is a demo reel, for the very first strip, I intend to do on my own the first ten in one go to generate interest.
I use Audacity to record, and Adobe Premiere 5.5 to mix and encode.
Background is some random noises of a crowded hallway I found at youtube and the music is from the Dissapearance of Haruhi Suzumiya OST.
Basically I could use any volunteer with a working microphone to audition for roles so I wont have to voice everyone.
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*laugh* No. Samp is pointing out that, with the exception of the specific reference to Premiere 5.5 (as opposed to, say, Premiere 5), that was a post -- with references to 8-Bit Theater, someone's recent discovery of Megatokyo, fandubs, and Audacity -- that one might reasonably have encountered in 2002.
I had a similar sense of "All this has happened before and will happen again," myself. Maybe we members of the Old Guard are going to wind up something like the Internet's Final Five Million.
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That was always my problem with Megatokyo -- it took so long for anything to happen that I forgot what the heck was actually going on. The fact that I was able to give up on it during a climactic scene without subsequently wondering what happened suggests to me that maybe it moves too slowly.
I did enjoy it for a while, though.
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I marathoned it in 2 days, I don't think it moves too slowly, the plot is fairly tightly written the problem is/was the update schedule, its supposed to be 2/week but supposedly its been fairly bad for the last little while, apparently its getting better.
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My hatred of megatokyo is irrational and related to things outside the comic itself.
one: it was the locus for much hopeless teenage otaku sinophilia among too many of my nerd friends back in school
two: every webcomic artist i've known personally describes fred as a catty whiner who's a wee bit insufferable in person MAN I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED FROM THE COMIC
so I'm in no position to fairly review whatever of the comic I've managed to read. I associate it fundamentally with pimply weeaboo adolescence.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: How about you I dunno, go to the site and find out? It has 1300+ strips.
So, still on Day 2, then.
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Incorrect.
quote: Chapter 0: Relax, We Understand J00 Day 1 (Thursday, mid-July) - Piro and Largo go to E3; comics 001-006 Day 2 (Saturday) - Piro and Largo arrive in Japan; comics 007-012 Day 3 (Sunday) - Piro and Largo meet Tsubasa; comics 014-036 Day 4-46 (Mondays) - Six weeks pass, Largo and Piro play games; comics 037-040 Day 47 (Tuesday, early September) - Piro and Largo waste their ticket money; comic 041 Day 48 (Wednesday) - Piro loses his bookbag, Yuki finds it; comics 042-060 Day 49 (Thursday) - Piro gives his railcard to Kimiko; comics 061-074 Day 50 (Friday) - Yuki sends Piro an e-mail but he deletes it; comics 075-079 Day 52 (Sunday) - Piro gets a job at the store, Largo meets Miho; comics 080-129 Chapter 1: Do You Want To Save Before You Quit? Day 53 (Monday mid-September) - Largo becomes a teacher, Kimiko delivers dinner; comics 134-192 Chapter 2: Things Change Little By Little... Day 54 (Tuesday) - Kimiko auditions, Miho faints, zombies attack on wrong day; comics 196-301 Chapter 3: Am I Your Number One Fan? Day 55 (Wednesday) - Arcade duel, Piro visits Anna Miller's, Gameru attacks; comics 307-397 Chapter 4: Low Ping Rate Day 56 (Thursday) - Bath and confessions with Miho, fanboy recon, Seraphim is captured; comics 402-514 Chapter 5: Color Depth Day 57 (Friday) - Fanboy horde and aftermath; comics 526-633 Chapter 6: Operational Insecurity Day 58 (Saturday) - Computer lessons and shopping with Erika, Kimiko's radio appearance; comics 639-729 Chapter 7: Known Bugs and Security Flaws Day 59 (Sunday) - Fanboy mob at Anna Miller's, the truth of Erika's past revealed; comics 743-873 Chapter 8: Defect Mapping Day 60 (Monday) - Kimiko quits, Erika builds her PC, Ping has a good cry; comics 875-968 Chapter 9: Overlo4d[3] Day 61 (Tuesday) - Waking up to Largo, awkward, E&L, zombie attack commences, Miho rescues Kimiko, Animate, Miho reflects; comics 983- 1125 Chapter 10: A.F.K. Day 70 (Thursday)[4] - Timeskip, search for Miho, Junko's reality check, the Asako Option, Dinner of Doom, battle at the Cave of Evil; comics 1141-1267 Chapter 11: Remanence Day 71?; comics 1270-
quote:Originally posted by Samprimary: My hatred of megatokyo is irrational and related to things outside the comic itself.
one: it was the locus for much hopeless teenage otaku sinophilia among too many of my nerd friends back in school
two: every webcomic artist i've known personally describes fred as a catty whiner who's a wee bit insufferable in person MAN I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED FROM THE COMIC
so I'm in no position to fairly review whatever of the comic I've managed to read. I associate it fundamentally with pimply weeaboo adolescence.
"Sinophilia"?
Your not one of those people who thinks a clearly fictional webcomic with fictional happenings *contributes* to idiots having stupid impressions of Japan do you?
The analysis of fred is frustratingly spot on though, but at least its a nicer kind of insufferable.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: Your not one of those people who thinks a clearly fictional webcomic with fictional happenings *contributes* to idiots having stupid impressions of Japan do you?
Something being clearly fictional does not prevent 100% of people from having it be a work that engenders stupid impressions of its culture for them.
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But its not the fault of the comic; otherwise "video games cause violence" etc.Anyone who would be influenced are likely to already have had a faulty assumption about Japan from anime.
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My god, the levels of insufferably douchbaggery fred stoops too never ceases to amaze me.
quote: <raenirsalazar> *looks it up* oh that show, its on my towatch list <fredrin> by picture, i refer to the photograph of the box <fredrin> hmm <fredrin> i wouldnt reccomend it to you <raenirsalazar> :rolls eyes: <raenirsalazar> Reading the tvtropes description I see nothing about it that I wouldn't like, seems like a pretty artsy supernatural mystery to me. And I like those. <fredrin> you wont like it <fredrin> because you wont understand it <fredrin> guaranteed <fredrin> oh, and raen, please don't do something stupid like try to call me out on something. That's not allowed here, ok? <fredrin> because by default i can win any argument within the confines of this channel if i choose to. * fredrin is actually amused - he seems to know exactly where to step to get my goat - i dont have a lot of sacred cows, but damn, he's good at stepping on them
So apparantly its *my* fault! The sugar coating on top being he seems to completely lack self awareness just to how much of a douche he is.
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Nope.
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: But its not the fault of the comic; otherwise "video games cause violence" etc.Anyone who would be influenced are likely to already have had a faulty assumption about Japan from anime.
I'm saying nothing about assigning blame. I'm talking about how it can contribute to faulty assumptions. You seem to agree; if someone 'already had a faulty assumption about Japan from anime,' then they got a faulty assumption about Japan from anime.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: You didn't realize Fred was a douche until he insulted you?
How else would you figure it out?
quote: I'm saying nothing about assigning blame. I'm talking about how it can contribute to faulty assumptions. You seem to agree; if someone 'already had a faulty assumption about Japan from anime,' then they got a faulty assumption about Japan from anime.
Maybe, but as a reason to dislike a comic though its pretty weak for a reason however. Its fiction and clearly so.
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You could observe that he is regularly a douche to other people. I mean, honestly, the fact that he's a gigantic, preening jerkwad is usually brought up within minutes of a mention of Megatokyo.
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quote:Maybe, but as a reason to dislike a comic though its pretty weak for a reason however. Its fiction and clearly so.
Okay, I guess I could hate it because fred's mary-sue budget weeaboo desu kawaii derivative love hina weirdass pigtail-hair-thing giant glasses and inexcusably mute expression over an acorn shaped head in every single one of the comics since the beginning of time makes me want to stab him in the face from over the internet for being so emphatically stylistically and artistically lazy with his bad comic
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Wow, that looks like a pretty cool comic! Lackadaisy, not Megatokyo. Megatokyo is shite.
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quote:Originally posted by Dogbreath: Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to Japan, Blayne?
I regularly hangout with JETs and other expats, and read various blogs (mostly JET related like Gaijin Smash, but some others like Gaijin Mama) so I have no 'illusions' about Japan nor would Megatokyo give me any. It's a work of fiction, about fictional characters hanging out in a fictional Anime Land version of Japan where giant robots, rent a zillas and magical girls exist all at the same time with zombies.
I don't understand why a western webcomic needs to be set to some arbitrary standard for "accuracy" because OMG THE CHILDREN who might get the wrong impression. Japan does it all the time with anime and other day time TV regarding the states and arguably Canada and yet they're immune from this criticism?
Azrael, the guy from Gaijin Smash and he's black was a JET for 5 years and still lives there (married to a local) every once in a while he gets asked, completely unironically and innocently "How many women have you raped?" as if its something black people just DO all the time casually.
I wonder where they got that impression from.
quote: Okay, I guess I could hate it because fred's mary-sue budget weeaboo desu kawaii derivative love hina weirdass pigtail-hair-thing giant glasses and inexcusably mute expression over an acorn shaped head in every single one of the comics since the beginning of time makes me want to stab him in the face from over the internet for being so emphatically stylistically and artistically lazy with his bad comic
Though I'm curious what makes the character a Mary Sue, sure there's some harem tropes and a dash of wish fulfillment; but that's squarely in the box of acceptable writing tools and the anthropic principle (the thing that makes the premise of the story work, ie even if you don't think time travel is possible, you have to accept its possibility in fiction to enjoy Doctor Who) .
Compared to anime the writing/romance seems downright realistic, especially with Largo and Erika.
quote: You could observe that he is regularly a douche to other people. I mean, honestly, the fact that he's a gigantic, preening jerkwad is usually brought up within minutes of a mention of Megatokyo.
See all the criticism I've read isn't actually accurate, there's people claiming fred/piro has some kind of 'ego' and implied it was writing related.
As far as I can tell Fred is extremely and maddeningly self depreciating when it comes to his work, the doucheness is entirely from any kind of intellectual discussion regarding anime.
He's a for lack of a better term an Emotionalist, he views the medium as an "analog" medium that can only be "experienced" and that experience is "unique" to everyone's individual perception and can't be explained or examined or it would ruin the special snowflake magic of the experience.
I, and this is where the friction lays entirely am an Analyst/Structuralist/Definitionist/Etc you think is the valid term here but as a Self Identified Troper I more or less like to analyze the medium, usually by deconstructing it and taking it apart to see how all the individual parts fit together because I want to see the medium evolve through study and that everything is explainable/studyable.
And of course I "ruined" Spice and Wolf for Fred apparently.
Essentially he said "* Bets raenir wouldn't understand Spice and Wolf the same way I would / Something he might only get in 10-20 years*"
*This royally pissed me off, I hate age discrimination, especially from people from an artistic medium who should know better.
After about an hour of me being pissed and insisting on an answer in which he was evasive and being passive aggressive about the above emotion vs logic issue and how I was being "too logical" about it he finally left IRC in a huff but finally answered that its because Holo is "very old, and you can only understand how old she must feel when your also old, a mid20 something wouldn't feel the same way."
Bullshit. That shouldn't have taken an hour to answer, could've been done massively more politely and respectfully and is understandable at a minimum on an intellectual level.
The blatant hypocrisy is outrageous, he can freely insult and disparage other people's choices, completely recuse himself from any responsibility. And refuses to discuss anything in term especially if I at any point sound like a "know it all" because that apparently hurts his little snowflake feelings for me to be a little rough but otherwise entirely polite.
You know what, acting like a douche would be forgiveable had he had a shred of intellectual honesty or at least a shred of self awareness about it. But no, can't argue with him because his 'experience' is this perfect organic thing and my "logic" is inherently inferior to it. My likes are inherently inferior, I'm "incapable" of enjoying something that is "hard to understand" (lulwut?) or "too cerebral for a troper" or if I do somehow managed to enjoy a work "I didn't enjoy it _on the same level_"
Nothing about him as an artist, there's no whatever transgression Buckley is accused of by his detractors, no Small Name Big Ego. I like the art, I like the story, I like the characters but the author is a douche and I must punch him if he's ever in Canada.
Also: Most Horrible PR Skills Ev3R:
"I've had Anon after me for a year** one more disgruntled fan won't matter".
Firstly he wouldn't have disgruntled fans if he recognized that he's almost sociopathically acting like a douche and should, y'know grow some integrity and secondly:
**His apparent "response" to the /b/tard trolls was apparently to give in to their demands, what an idiot. Its not like they were hacking him or otherwise harassing him or fiscally costing him just a bunch of idiots on a forum no one likes or goes to. That and Anon and 4chan aren't the same thing.
You IGNORE the trolls, and they'll starve and go away, that's whats told to me repeatedly, its really freakishly hard to pull off but a 40 something artist with a reasonably successful business should NOT ever have to descend to their level and capitulate.
quote: Wow, that looks like a pretty cool comic! Lackadaisy, not Megatokyo. Megatokyo is shite.
I like Megatokyo, so unless you're willing to back this up and enter some form of substantiated discussion about its pros/cons/merits like Samp is doing I suggest you kindly shut up and go to another thread.
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Well, I don't know why you're getting all bent out of shape about it. Do you have something personally invested in Megatokyo? Are you instrumental in its creation? Do you have a stake in it that you would be personally affronted by my opinion?
I can express an opinion. You and everyone else in this forum do so every day. And unless this is your personal property, I don't think I will restrict myself from threads just because you request that I do. I'm not going to ask you to "shut up" and go away, because frankly, I can't force you or anyone to do that. And neither can you force the same on me.
quote:You know what, acting like a douche would be forgiveable had he had a shred of intellectual honesty or at least a shred of self awareness about it.
Blayne, I'm just going to repost this here and walk away, perhaps whistling softly to myself a bit.
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quote:Originally posted by manji: Well, I don't know why you're getting all bent out of shape about it. Do you have something personally invested in Megatokyo? Are you instrumental in its creation? Do you have a stake in it that you would be personally affronted by my opinion?
I can express an opinion. You and everyone else in this forum do so every day. And unless this is your personal property, I don't think I will restrict myself from threads just because you request that I do. I'm not going to ask you to "shut up" and go away, because frankly, I can't force you or anyone to do that. And neither can you force the same on me.
So there!
Expressing an opinion and sticking around and showing a willingness to maturely discuss something is entirely different from your "drive by" post, it isn't constructive, its rude and bad form.
So, don't be rude. Delete the post and start over, be constructive, elaborate a little, there are _standards_ follow them. If you blindly insist to not follow those standards I am not obligated to treat you nicely with kid gloves if you won't do similar.
And depending on how you express it, saying "something sucks" is almost always an indirect insult to the person who does like it, because its an indirect way of saying "you have bad taste."
Its one thing to enter honest discussion, its one thing to express an emotionally neutral opinion like "I didn't like it but its okay if there are people who do." but its completely different to just go in and say "this sucks". You owe it to the forum to be better than that.
quote: Blayne, I'm just going to repost this here and walk away, perhaps whistling softly to myself a bit.
Are you implying that I am a douche, or otherwise intellectual dishonest or lacking in self awareness?
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quote:Are you implying that I am a douche, or otherwise intellectual dishonest or lacking in self awareness?
Yes! But it'd be a lot easier to forgive if you had a shred of self-awareness (or even a sense of humor) about it.
Please do re-read your lengthy post above with a critical eye. It is not flattering. Bear in mind that I think Fred Gallagher is one of the worst hacks in webcomics, right up there with Scott Kurtz, and I still think you're being ungenerous.
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You weren't there, the above was only the tip of the iceberg.
And I'm not bashing his work I like his work, and I think as long as the discussion never turns to anime (which is a shame) he's fun enough to be around on IRC and he's at least quasi support've of the fandub project. I give credit where credit is due.
But he acted like a douche, but I'm keeping a clear distinction between his douchyness and his work. I have a problem with his insufferable snowflakiness regarding anime&manga discussion, and fanboy notruescotsman purism not with his work.
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quote:I have a problem with his insufferable snowflakiness regarding anime&manga discussion...
In case you don't know, this is inherently douchey, and not knowing that it's a douchey reason to "have a problem" with someone is even douchier.
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And I was asked to go kill myself. I think I am justified in being fairly [s]pissed[/s] disgruntled.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Bear in mind that I think Fred Gallagher is one of the worst hacks in webcomics, right up there with Scott Kurtz, and I still think you're being ungenerous.
Oh man I love Kurtz. When you're the sort of person that ends up being professionally advised to express some degree of anger management before you respond to anything that's agitating you (COUNT TO TEN BEFORE YOU HIT REPLY KURTZ, COUNT TO TEN BEFORE YOU DELETE ANOTHER FORUM KURTZ) it's just oodles of entertainment potential.
But I'm actually legitimately interested in what made you think of Kurtz as the top echelon of hackness in the field.
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Suddenly, I am reminded of the judge from The Good Wife who demands that all lawyers in her courtroom preface their comments with "in my opinion".
Well, if you want me to get into it.
Megatokyo is shite because Fred Gallagher as a creative producer is shite. He is unprofessional, and his art is derivative and mediocre.
His final product is in pencil, which contributes to his persona as an unprofessional hack. Sketch lines are still seen. I suppose this is a personal quirk of mine, as I hate to see final products in pencil.
But his overall line is clean, and his page composition improved within the first few years, after he switched from the four-panel layout, so I'll give him that. His character design, however, has not improved in ten years, I can see. They are still the same irregularly shaped boon-doggle heads with twisted human anatomy. A shame. His action scenes do not really convey movement or excitement to me. The action scenes just seem like a rip-off of Ken Akamatsu, and Ken Akamatsu cannot do action. But that's another discussion.
But, I can overlook a lot if the author delivers consistently. But he does not. For a while, he had a progress bar, indicating when a page would come out, because he was consistently inconsistent. I see that has not changed, but he has done away with the progress bar. I guess he decided keeping up the charade of a schedule was pointless.
But even that would be forgivable, somewhat. After all, I still stick with Order of the Stick, despite its irregular schedule. Admittedly, Rich Burlew has an infinitely more understandable reason than Fred Gallagher had six to eight years ago when I stopped reading. You see, Megatokyo originally started as a gag strip. Then, the comic experienced a genre shift when the original author, Rodney Caston, left. When the comic became less about humor and more about dating sims, I lost interest.
All of this to say: "[I think] Megatokyo is shite."
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Yeah, you can be disgruntled. Like I said, Fred's a jerk. But suck it up.
I am, by quietly venting in another direction while quietly rolling my eyes in the channel. There were three major occasions in which I was enraged by his behavior and only after the third time did I post about it anywhere.
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'quietly rolling my eyes in the channel'
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quote:Originally posted by manji: Suddenly, I am reminded of the judge from The Good Wife who demands that all lawyers in her courtroom preface their comments with "in my opinion".
Well, if you want me to get into it.
Megatokyo is shite because Fred Gallagher as a creative producer is shite. He is unprofessional, and his art is derivative and mediocre.
His final product is in pencil, which contributes to his persona as an unprofessional hack. Sketch lines are still seen. I suppose this is a personal quirk of mine, as I hate to see final products in pencil.
But his overall line is clean, and his page composition improved within the first few years, after he switched from the four-panel layout, so I'll give him that. His character design, however, has not improved in ten years, I can see. They are still the same irregularly shaped boon-doggle heads with twisted human anatomy. A shame. His action scenes do not really convey movement or excitement to me. The action scenes just seem like a rip-off of Ken Akamatsu, and Ken Akamatsu cannot do action. But that's another discussion.
But, I can overlook a lot if the author delivers consistently. But he does not. For a while, he had a progress bar, indicating when a page would come out, because he was consistently inconsistent. I see that has not changed, but he has done away with the progress bar. I guess he decided keeping up the charade of a schedule was pointless.
But even that would be forgivable, somewhat. After all, I still stick with Order of the Stick, despite its irregular schedule. Admittedly, Rich Burlew has an infinitely more understandable reason than Fred Gallagher had six to eight years ago when I stopped reading. You see, Megatokyo originally started as a gag strip. Then, the comic experienced a genre shift when the original author, Rodney Caston, left. When the comic became less about humor and more about dating sims, I lost interest.
All of this to say: "[I think] Megatokyo is shite."
I'll give you unprofessional but "derivative" is hardly fair, I've read alot of manga (90~ish), and as best as I can tell I have never seen his style ever in manga his art style is unique.
quote: His final product is in pencil, which contributes to his persona as an unprofessional hack. Sketch lines are still seen. I suppose this is a personal quirk of mine, as I hate to see final products in pencil.
I like that style though, its helpful for my own efforts to learn how to draw. Its more "user friendly" and natural looking.
quote: has not improved in ten years, I can see. They are still the same irregularly shaped boon-doggle heads with twisted human anatomy.
YMMV, I like the designs and deliberately trying to mimic the art style with Mixed results I find his art style to be more expressive then typical manga.
quote: ut, I can overlook a lot if the author delivers consistently. But he does not. For a while, he had a progress bar, indicating when a page would come out, because he was consistently inconsistent. I see that has not changed, but he has done away with the progress bar. I guess he decided keeping up the charade of a schedule was pointless.
But even that would be forgivable, somewhat. After all, I still stick with Order of the Stick, despite its irregular schedule. Admittedly, Rich Burlew has an infinitely more understandable reason than Fred Gallagher had six to eight years ago when I stopped reading. You see, Megatokyo originally started as a gag strip. Then, the comic experienced a genre shift when the original author, Rodney Caston, left. When the comic became less about humor and more about dating sims, I lost interest.
His wife has some sort of auto immune disorder and he a while back had a son, health and family seem reasonable reasons to me. And He's gone back to pencil sketching using the Cintiq for finishing touches, he's updated more times in the last month I think then in the last year.
Remains to be seen if he'll keep it up.
quote: When the comic became less about humor and more about dating sims, I lost interest.
Fair is fair, I felt the comic improved when Largo left because then it become far more animeish but YMMV.
quote: 'quietly rolling my eyes in the channel'
Usually by physically rolling my eyes and then complaining on teamspeak to some of the other channel folks. Who try to assure me "The man I ate dinner with isn't really like that!"
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the job of every former pvp forum is to ascend to greatness (or, in the case of halforum, at least ascend to betterness) after kurtz goes all kurtz on the place, takes his ball, and goes home (to make the next doomed forum)
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We talk about games, movies, politics, share art. Etc. In other words, it's a generic nerd forum.
It's where I go when I want a slightly more relaxed Hatrack experience. ("Relaxed" insofar as on Hatrack, I deliberately use my real name and hold myself to a high standard, as if in polite company. On halforum, it's not that I'm *impolite*, but the norms are more "hanging out with a bunch of nerd friends", where lewd jokes and ribbing are acceptable).
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quote:Originally posted by Raymond Arnold: How often HAS that happened?
Three Kurtz-smashed forums so far. I think. That I can recall. Halforum got a leg up early on because in the days after Kurtz rage-deleted the pvp forum, they were able to consult with Forumopolis, which had literally been in the exact same situation (it was also PVP forums until kurtz got huffy one day) and had gone on to be a big thriving independent general forum of its own.
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Speaking of Kurts him and the Penny Arcade dudes are doing a new collaborative webcomic
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Samp, one of these days, I want you to write a history of the internet... or at least the parts you know a lot about - which seems like most of it. It'd make for some pretty fantastic (not to mention juicy) reading, I bet.
I also have to admit that I'm kind of impressed that Blayne managed to go from never having heard of Megatokyo to personally pissing off its creator in the space of about a month. That's some primo internet fail/win right there.
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